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Shabbat shalom!
So, we're basically talking about creating a Sabbath study forum/thread. And there will be no debating going on, just a discussion of new material being introduced?
But, what will the parameters be for acceptable/non-acceptable material? Disagreements are bound to arise concerning sources.
I'm all for it though. I believe that it will be very enlightening and may serve to honor such a great topic!
So, we're basically talking about creating a Sabbath study forum/thread. And there will be no debating going on, just a discussion of new material being introduced?
But, what will the parameters be for acceptable/non-acceptable material? Disagreements are bound to arise concerning sources.
I'm all for it though. I believe that it will be very enlightening and may serve to honor such a great topic!
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Shabbat shalom Tone,
Thank you for joining this discussion. Coincidentally, I was just finishing up a response to a friend of mine, regarding this subject; when I got an alert that you responded to this thread.
You can find some of my thoughts on this subject in that very post.
where is it safe?
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Brothers and sisters, it seems like the perfect place to increase my understanding of the Sabbath's biblical teachings with responses from all backgrounds that value God's word over made-up "human traditions". I am in favor of that.
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” (Mark 7:8-13 NIV)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
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I believe that it would be a great place for those of us who believe to come and share all its splendor without always being at square one.
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Hello Hark,
Sounds great. But I am not sure what your parameters are by your post here.
According to paragraph 1) It seems the only thing allowed to be discussed would be the fine points of honoring the 7th day Sabbath.
However To share fellowship could be construed as having open discussion. Please elaborate.
Also when you say, "This Safehouse is for those who believe that Elohim's people are to keep his 7th day Sabbath for all generations. This point may not be debated." Can one assume any other point can be debated?
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"without always being at square one"
From my perspective, this is a the heart of the benefit of the value of the proposed forum. If one creates a cross-denominational thread, seeking to discuss the Sabbath, in the 'Sabbath and the Law' forum; it's unlikely that the discussion will ascend to fine points such as:
- What are the prophetic implications?
- What are we to learn from this rehearsal?
- How should it be honored?
- How is work defined?
So what happens, is that instead of growing with the group of like minded believers; the group ends up being stunted in its' growth; because they are preoccupied with working together to defend the basic premise of their collective beliefs.
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Welcome HIM,
Thank you for joining the discussion. I should start of by saying that I don't make the rules. That will be done by the Staff. This is simply a proposal of my thoughts concerning the subject. I know, I'm a staff member; but I suspect that in this capacity, that my opinions carry about as much weight as yours; so your thoughts and concerns are welcomed. Let us put our minds together; to help the Staff make this forum the best that it can be.
Well I did mention sharing fellowship in that paragraph. Perhaps that paragraph should be reworded, so as not to promote inferences of such a narrow scope.
My point is that I would like to see a forum where Sabbath keepers can discuss their beliefs, without having to defend their position of whether or not they should be honoring the Sabbath at all.
How would you propose that we improve, or widen the scope, this preamble?
I'm all for open discussion. We have members who keep the Sabbath, who are not MJ, and who are not SDA, who do not have a home for discussing the 7th day Sabbath. (You might be one of them) As a MJ, I share common beliefs with the SDAs. I would like to share more fellowship with them; but I don't fully understand what they believe. For this reason I'm reluctant to post in the SDA forum, in caution that I might inadvertently violate their SOP. I suspect that they might feel the same inhibitions, regarding posting in the MJ forum. The SDAs and the MJs have homes; where we can speak freely with those within our respective denominations; but speaking across those denominations we are left with two options.
1.) Speak in a a forum where we do not feel completely at ease.
2.) speak in a forum where we have to defend the fundamentals of our beliefs.
I suspect that it's even more difficult for those of us who have no home. I would like to see all of us share a home, where we can all feel at ease, and speak freely.
You've raised an interesting subject.
For example: What about the rest of the Sabbaths, with, regards to the Moedim?
Perhaps we could use a tag system, such as are used in the Eschatology forum, to further minimize debate in exchange for constructive conversation.
Such a series of forums might need to be tweaked over time; as our understanding, of if how it could be improved, develops.
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7th Day Safehouse Forum Statement of Purpose
Welcome to the 7th Day Safe House forum. This forum is a gathering place for all Sabbath, 7th Day Worshippers.
We believe:
Posts against these beliefs, or with the following content, will be actioned by staff.
Non-negotiable points:
Dual Attendance: Those who share our Sabbath beliefs but do not attend any congregation or several denominations may post in this forum with the stipulation that they will not teach any anti sabbath doctrines here.
Please signify this in your signature or title found under your screen name that you will adhere to these rules. Please make sure you have read and have agreed to its provisos before posting here.
_________________________________________________________________
Anyway, something like this.
Welcome to the 7th Day Safe House forum. This forum is a gathering place for all Sabbath, 7th Day Worshippers.
We believe:
- The Sabbath is the 7th Day of the week, from sundown 6th Day, to Sunset 7th Day.
- The Sabbath is embedded within the Ten Commandments, as a sign/seal/mark of God.
- The Sabbath began in the Garden of Eden, when God rested from all His Creation Week.
- The Sabbath is kept to worship God as Creator and Redeemer.
- The Sabbath was made for man.
- The Sabbath is for all eternity, for all believers, and for heaven and earth.
Posts against these beliefs, or with the following content, will be actioned by staff.
Non-negotiable points:
- No anti-Sabbatarianism/counter-missionary posts or teachings against the Sabbath.
- No replacement theology. No posts teaching or debating that the Church/Christians have authority to change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, for traditional reasons, church reasons, etc.
- No posts accusing or debating the Sabbath's rightful place within the forum.
- No posts stating in any form that the Sabbath is invalid for today.
- It's not permitted to tell members to not keep Shabbat.
Dual Attendance: Those who share our Sabbath beliefs but do not attend any congregation or several denominations may post in this forum with the stipulation that they will not teach any anti sabbath doctrines here.
Please signify this in your signature or title found under your screen name that you will adhere to these rules. Please make sure you have read and have agreed to its provisos before posting here.
_________________________________________________________________
Anyway, something like this.
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Brothers and sisters, I have a problem with the first statement of visionary's proposal. The days of the week established in Genesis are from morning to morning. The Sabbath is separate from the seventh day of the week in Israel, where it falls between two days of the week. Only in Israel is the Eden Sabbath remembered from sundown on the 6th Day to Sunset on the 7th Day and only in Eden does the Sabbath fall on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)
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Great start Visionary! I think it will need to be modified based on consensus but thanks for putting in the time to get things going. I like a lot of things you have proposed here. I would change the wording on some things a little to tweak it some more but I am sure it is something that we can all decide on I hope collectively so it does not benefit one group over another. I personally do not believe what guevaraj has suggested above is biblical so I thankyou for your input.
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I don't see where Visionary's wording favors one 7th day observant denomination over another. Maybe it's veiled by my personal perspective. What would you tweak to bring this proposal to a more neutral ground?
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I was only talking about minor tweaks, nothing major as I like most of it. For example, I would leave out the section in red and just keep the section in green below.
Non-negotiable points:
No replacement theology. No posts teaching or debating that the Church/Christians have authority
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