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All translations have the same Gospel, the same way of salvation and the same teaching on living the Christian life.
People may be insecure in their salvation for a number of reasons; I doubt that any are to do with various translations of Scripture.

You are right and this is true. Life is to short for us to be bitter. Sometimes on my days off if not doing anything, tend to hang around online; I probably do that to much sometimes.

The reason for coming here on Christian Forums is to share knowledge about the word of God, read posts, and have good conversations if possible not to try to one up anyone or be dominating. I believe in freedom, and the grace, mercy and goodness of God, and what you are saying is true.
 
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So which bible is perfect?

No Bible is perfect (define perfect), the Bible is a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver; how good a house you build will depend on your skills and if God's spirit dwells in you. Some Bibles are very bad.
 
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You are right and this is true. Life is to short for us to be bitter. Sometimes on my days off if not doing anything, tend to hang around online; I probably do that to much sometimes.

The reason for coming here on Christian Forums is to share knowledge about the word of God, read posts, and have good conversations if possible not to try to one up anyone or be dominating. I believe in freedom, and the grace, mercy and goodness of God, and what you are saying is true.

Its not about one-upping. What you wrongly claimed is what this man is talking about....


 
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No Bible is perfect (define perfect), the Bible is a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver; how good a house you build will depend on your skills and if God's spirit dwells in you. Some Bibles are very bad.

Based on your response then God is either a liar or not in control. Which one is it? And your other problem now is, which parts are right? And which parts are wrong?
 
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No Bible is perfect (define perfect), the Bible is a tool like a hammer or a screwdriver; how good a house you build will depend on your skills and if God's spirit dwells in you. Some Bibles are very bad.

Sparrow. Never thought about the bible being able to be used as a tool to build your house on the solid foundation known as the Rock, or Yeshua, or Emmanuel.

Some may never read the bible but those who seek out and do are able to have that chance to establish a good relationship and faith with God, and the Lord Yeshua. (Though God is able to write on the hearts and minds of those who do not read and surely learn through life experiences they go through). God is very much available to all.

If we build a house on sand it shall surely fall over.

Though I would like to add one more thing the bible can be used as. It's the knife, or dagger, a quick jab and stab to a persons throat, heart, and ear is always possible using the word of God, and is why that it should be handled very carefully.

The last thing most by people by the spirit would desire to is to cut someone down.

Blessings friend.
 
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Based on your response then God is either a liar or not in control. Which one is it? And your other problem now is, which parts are right? And which parts are wrong?
It’s really not appropriate to say that someone’s response means “God is either a liar or not in control” and then ask them to answer which one of those they choose.

If the post you replied to had actually said either of those things it would be against the rules. I don’t think you’ll report it though?
 
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Based on your response then God is either a liar or not in control. Which one is it? And your other problem now is, which parts are right? And which parts are wrong?

He is in control. Translations are good for baby Christians and those desiring to outgrow babyhood. He has provided a better means for understanding the Bible if a Christian using a translation desires to outgrow being a baby, or child Christian. One can be saved 50 years and still be a baby in their spiritual mentality.

God has provided better than the standard translation for those He knew would want to gain a more and more accurate understanding. It will be found in their perseverance in attaining maturity.
 
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Sparrow. Never thought about the bible being able to be used as a tool to build your house on the solid foundation known as the Rock, or Yeshua, or Emmanuel.




According to God’s grace that was given to me, I have laid a foundation
as a skilled master builder, and another builds on it. But each one must
be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay any other foundation
than what has been laid down. That foundation is Jesus Christ.

If anyone builds on that foundation with gold, silver, costly stones, wood,
hay, or straw, each one’s work will become obvious, for the day will disclose
it, because it will be revealed by fire; the fire will test the quality of each
one’s work.

If anyone’s work that he has built survives, he will receive a reward. If
anyone’s work is burned up, it will be lost, but he will be saved; yet it
will be like an escape through fire."
1 Cor 3:10-15​
 
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When it comes to living the Christian life? No. Too many things are left to one's subjective imagination

Like what?
The Bible does not give us minute details - where to live, what job to have etc.
But it does teach us about love, forgiveness, kindness, concern for the poor, treating others as you wish to be treated, prayer, holiness and so on.
This is how we are to live our Christian lives; love God with all our heart, mind, soul and strength, love our neighbours as ourselves and live holy lives as witnesses to the risen Christ.
All Bibles say this.
 
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Like what?
The Bible does not give us minute details - where to live, what job to have etc.

Yet... it teaches us on how to walk, so that these "details" you cite would not be a problem.

I have seen a good number of Christian hissy fits in my day. Paul warned about them. For believers will make their emotions into their god, Anyone who preaches to their emotions they will gladly follow.

Keep in mind... When the Bible was written words used to describe realities that we have words for today, were back then described by body parts. Sometimes, appearing as embarrassing to the modern reader.

Such as...

And Joseph made haste; for his bowels did yearn upon his brother:
and he sought where to weep; and he entered into his chamber, and wept there." Gen 43:30​

Body parts were used to describe emotions and different soul functions we do not associate with today.

Paul warned with weeping that MANY (not just a few) believers would end up making their emotions into their god. For the word "belly" was commonly used to mean "the emotions."

Here is what Paul wept over concerning the state of believers who made how they feel on a matter their own authority. While rejecting the authority of the Word of God that stood in contradiction to their desired outcomes.


(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping,
that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:


Whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Philpns 3:18-19​


I remember pointing this out years ago and some moderators in that forum became very emotional about it because I replaced the word "belly" with "emotions." They deleted the post and demanded that I do not use that translation. How ironic.

Things have not changed with the human condition! That is why the Word of God never needs to be added to.

grace and truth......
 
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Some people like to use scripture as a knife and that will never go away due to this world going to be still thriving full of life after even we are gone from it and go on to God.

Some people will preach Christ Jesus out of contention and some with a pure heart, though even while Paul was in prison he was always rejoicing that Christ was being preached to anyone.

Knowing this it is a lot easier to let go on what one person has to say, we can say hey okay your right, out of love by the spirit and still believe how we will subjectively that coincides with what is resides in your own individual heart.

Some people don’t like this idea of individuality and desire the whole collective to be the same it’s impossible, other than the same mind of Christ Yeshua by the spirit through faith on believing he came died, and rose again by God.
 
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I believe KJVO is not a true doctrine, as it has no Scriptural support, even in the KJV itself. Anyone wanna try to defend KJVO ?

Ive heard of KJVO advocates but wasn’t aware it was actually considered a legitimate doctrine. Personally I don’t care for the KJV I prefer a more literal translation rather than an added commentary of what someone thinks the scriptures are trying to say. My thoughts are let God’s word say what it says, don’t change it because this is what you think it’s trying to say.
 
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Knowing this it is a lot easier to let go on what one person has to say, we can say hey okay your right, out of love by the spirit and still believe how we will subjectively that coincides with what is resides in your own individual heart.

That is why ultimately it must come down to one factor. "It is written."

What is written stands forever. When properly translated it causes contention always with someone.

That is why....

The Lord will sort it out at our evaluation.

And, that is why, if we are determined to follow the Word of God? We must take up our cross - deny self- and follow what it tells us. That means - at times the Word of God is going to stand in opposition to how we assumed and insisted upon seeing things. "After all, the Lord is a nice guy like me!"

The enemy to the enemies of the Cross, will be a teacher who holds to an accurate interpretation of Scripture. Not saying its me. Just saying, that is how it is.


That is why....

The Lord will sort it out at our evaluation.
 
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I believe God causes/allows all changes in languages, & that he keeps His word current in the most-used languages of today, Chinese, English, & Spanish.

He caused the Geneva, Bishop's, & KJV versions to be made for the English users of C. 400 years ago, & He's caused several newer translations in modern English to be made for today's English users. In saying that only one English translation is valid is to try to LIMIT GOD !
 
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Yet... it teaches us on how to walk, so that these "details" you cite would not be a problem.

They're not a problem.
I was just saying that the Bible does teach us about how to live our Christian lives, but does not go into detail on these issues.

I have seen a good number of Christian hissy fits in my day. Paul warned about them. For believers will make their emotions into their god, Anyone who preaches to their emotions they will gladly follow.

Not sure what you mean by that, and I don't know what it's got to do with the fact that some people say the KJV is the only true Bible.

Keep in mind... When the Bible was written words used to describe realities that we have words for today, were back then described by body parts. Sometimes, appearing as embarrassing to the modern reader.

Again, no idea what this has to do with the subject of the thread.

Things have not changed with the human condition!

No, they haven't.
The wages of sin is still death, whatever translation of the Bible you use or whatever the exact wording might be.
Basically, the Gospel, the human condition, salvation, the nature of God etc are the same in the Good News Bible as they are in the KJV. Modern translations do not change the Gospel nor the nature of God.
 
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I believe God causes/allows all changes in languages, & that he keeps His word current in the most-used languages of today, Chinese, English, & Spanish.

He caused the Geneva, Bishop's, & KJV versions to be made for the English users of C. 400 years ago, & He's caused several newer translations in modern English to be made for today's English users. In saying that only one English translation is valid is to try to LIMIT GOD !

I agree with you robo.

That is why ultimately it must come down to one factor. "It is written."

What is written stands forever. When properly translated it causes contention always with someone.

That is why....

The Lord will sort it out at our evaluation.

And, that is why, if we are determined to follow the Word of God? We must take up our cross - deny self- and follow what it tells us. That means - at times the Word of God is going to stand in opposition to how we assumed and insisted upon seeing things. "After all, the Lord is a nice guy like me!"

The enemy to the enemies of the Cross, will be a teacher who holds to an accurate interpretation of Scripture. Not saying its me. Just saying, that is how it is.


That is why....

The Lord will sort it out at our evaluation.

Gene Yes it is written stands forever because the Lord Yeshua Christ words will never pass away from this world. There will always be an open door policy for people to come and believe, and at the day of our death we can’t blame others for not teaching us correctly because if anything God is the one who corrects us, by the spirit as believers and we are accountable for our own actions towards the way we lived our lives in the aspect of believing on the Lord Yeshua who is enough to get us by through his strength (through the spirit). Loving God and loving your neighbor.
 
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Basically, the Gospel, the human condition, salvation, the nature of God etc are the same in the Good News Bible as they are in the KJV. Modern translations do not change the Gospel nor the nature of God.

Translations definitely have changed the nature of God. For example.. If we knew the Greek tenses correctly, in translation there would be no debates about once saved always saved.

Kenneth Wuest was one translator The New Testament: An Expanded Translation

And also the Williams translation The Williams New Testament made the attempt to include the original intent of the Greek tenses which are absent from most English translations. Very dumb arguments have been caused by this neglect. Causing an ignorance of the nature of God as He intended it to be made known as contained in the original languages.
 
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Gene Yes it is written stands forever because the Lord Yeshua Christ words will never pass away from this world.

You act like we are not in a spiritual warfare. The cosmic system of this world system is as corrupt concerning us getting a sound translation, as the mainstream media today is in about telling us the truth about President Trump.

We are lied to. Many lie and cover. You really want the Word in accuracy? (of course, you must say you do). Then you gotta sense first that what we find easy is not always what God wants for us.

There is a way that seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death."
Prov 14:12​


His ways are not our ways. Hos thoughts are not our thoughts. Someone mistranslated a passage and it suits us fine? Well....

God wants the best for you. He wants to richly reward you in the resurrection. In the mean while... Anyone can learn the Gospel to be saved. Even a five year old. God wants us to become adults in our spiritual thinking.

Salvation is easy. The question then becomes.. Can the new believer learn to be saved from this world after they are saved? It will all be determined in they are getting sound doctrinal teachings... Or? Perish, like other Christianized nations have when spiritual apathy took over.

Its reality. And, its playing out right now before our eyes. Satan is a murderer and thief. He is out to rob you of your rewards.. He hates any nation that makes the Lord their God.



There will always be an open door policy for people to come and believe, and at the day of our death we can’t blame others for not teaching us correctly because if anything God is the one who corrects us, by the spirit as believers and we are accountable for our own actions towards the way we lived our lives in the aspect of believing on the Lord Yeshua who is enough to get us by through his strength (through the spirit). Loving God and loving your neighbor.

People get saved in the worst kind of churches. Some even in churches that handle snakes and drink poison. They that did believe in Jesus will be in heaven because they believed in Jesus Christ. Their works will be wood, hay, and stubble. Destruction by fire. Loss of eternal rewards because they wanted Christianity their referred way. God's ways will run contrary to our way. We must decide then if we are going to take up our own cross and deny self.

Some of the most lovable (by human standards) I have known care less about sound doctrinal teaching. They are too busy enjoying the approval they receive from others. They know not how to seek God's approval.. Which would turn them into something far greater than being simply "lovable" to men.

It was sound Biblical thinking that alienated Bob Dylan from some of his most staunch fans. Yet, he gained a new and better audience that rejoiced with him together in Christ, no longer in Bob Dylan.
 
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Translations definitely have changed the nature of God.

How, and where?

I may have tried to read the KJV as a child but have not looked at it since. Yet I believe in the Triune God who is love, light, compassionate, gracious, kind, merciful and so on.
What does the KJV say about God that is different?
 
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How, and where?

I may have tried to read the KJV as a child but have not looked at it since. Yet I believe in the Triune God who is love, light, compassionate, gracious, kind, merciful and so on.
What does the KJV say about God that is different?


"Nature" in the sense that it refers to the character of God.

Without my notes.. I will state a hypothetical example based upon what we can know about the Greek Biblical language with its tenses we do not find in English. One Greek word with its modifiers can take ten English words to properly convey its meaning.

We read .. "You have been saved." But when it was translated it neglected to translate something more like, "you have been saved in the past in a point of time, and continue to remain saved forever." But, we simply read.. "you were saved?" That translation opens the door for those who want you to believe you got saved, but can lose your salvation. That makes God unable to save forever. His nature is not revealed.

Just like when they wanted to stone Jesus when he said "I Am." The Greek tense places an eternal quality to his existence, making him to be God. God, for the Jews was called "the Great I Am" for that reason. John 10:30-33, What made the Jews want to kill Jesus? | CARM.org

We do not have single English words that convey someone eternally existing. God's nature is eternally existing. The Greek could convey that thought with one or two words.

Its late.... keeping this short. Good night.

Many important details are missed in mere English translations.
 
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