The bible says not to get drunk, what about tipsy/buzzed?

Paladin67 · Nov 10, 2020

I'm going to start off by saying that I'm not trying to justify my use of marijuana, if God wants me to stop using it I'm perfectly fine with that. However I'd like to point out that the bible seems to be okay with people drinking wine so long as you're not getting drunk.

"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit" - Ephesians 5:18

DISSIPATION, noun
• Scattered attention; or that which diverts and calls off the mind from any subject.
• A dissolute, irregular course of life; a wandering from object to object in pursuit of pleasure; a course of life usually attended with careless and exorbitant expenditure of money, and indulgence in vices, which impair or ruin both health and fortune

DRUNKENNESS, noun
•Intoxication; inebriation; a state in which a person is overwhelmed or overpowered with spirituous liquors, so that his reason is disordered, and he reels or staggers in walking

From what I can tell we shouldn't get drunk or completely stoned, but what about tipsy/buzzed? If people can enjoy a small drink of wine, couldn't I enjoy a small amount of weed here and there? I don't deny that I like using it, I'd like to keep using it if I could and the bible seems to be very clear about what it defines as drunk. When I smoke I don't get completely stoned, the worst that happens is I forget things here and there but otherwise I'm fully conscious and aware of my surroundings, I can still focus on whatever it is I'm doing.

I've been all the way stoned before, I understand there is a difference between baked and buzzed. I tend to always be in the 2-3 level going off of this chart while most users are in the 5-8 range. So would you say I'm fine where I am? I've gone from being a heavy user to only using whatever is given to me thanks to God. I've already decided to never buy marijuana with my own money, since it's legal where I live people often give me some of theirs which is what I use. Every time I've tried to go cold turkey I've failed so this is as close to quitting as I could get for now. Am I good where I'm at so long as I try to maintain this level of moderation?

dqhall · Nov 10, 2020

Paladin67 said:
I'm going to start off by saying that I'm not trying to justify my use of marijuana, if God wants me to stop using it I'm perfectly fine with that. However I'd like to point out that the bible seems to be okay with people drinking wine so long as you're not getting drunk.

"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit" - Ephesians 5:18

DISSIPATION, noun
• Scattered attention; or that which diverts and calls off the mind from any subject.
• A dissolute, irregular course of life; a wandering from object to object in pursuit of pleasure; a course of life usually attended with careless and exorbitant expenditure of money, and indulgence in vices, which impair or ruin both health and fortune

DRUNKENNESS, noun
•Intoxication; inebriation; a state in which a person is overwhelmed or overpowered with spirituous liquors, so that his reason is disordered, and he reels or staggers in walking

From what I can tell we shouldn't get drunk or completely stoned, but what about tipsy/buzzed? If people can enjoy a small drink of wine, couldn't I enjoy a small amount of weed here and there? I don't deny that I like using it, I'd like to keep using it if I could and the bible seems to be very clear about what it defines as drunk. When I smoke I don't get completely stoned, the worst that happens is I forget things here and there but otherwise I'm fully conscious and aware of my surroundings, I can still focus on whatever it is I'm doing.

I've been all the way stoned before, I understand there is a difference between baked and buzzed. I tend to always be in the 2-3 level going off of this chart while most users are in the 5-8 range. So would you say I'm fine where I am? I've gone from being a heavy user to only using whatever is given to me thanks to God. I've already decided to never buy marijuana with my own money, since it's legal where I live people often give me some of theirs which is what I use. Every time I've tried to go cold turkey I've failed so this is as close to quitting as I could get for now. Am I good where I'm at so long as I try to maintain this level of moderation?

Alcoholism is a leading cause of early onset dementia, pancreatitis and liver disease. A few drinks a week increased risk of cancer. There were also smashed cars for some unlucky buzzed drivers.

I saw a video of a vegan heart surgeon who did not smoke, and did not drink alcohol or caffeine. He worked into his nineties. He lived to be 104. I went a month or more without a drink of alcohol. Drank a glass of wine at a family gathering before the pandemic. Hallucinogenic drugs interfere with brain function. They should be avoided too.

Anthony2019 · Nov 10, 2020

I have never used marijuana. Many years ago I smoked tobacco quite heavily and I used to get drunk rather a lot. No-one forced me to pick up those cigarettes or drinks. It was me who made that choice and I now have to accept the consequences. Hindsight is not always a wonderful thing. Some day in the future, I may suffer from serious health conditions and perhaps even reduced longevity as a result of decisions I made in the past.
Our bodies are the only ones we have and it is up to us whether we want to take care of them.
I will certainly not think anything less of you, whatever you decide. You will not get any judgement or condemnation from me. But I would urge you to consider your mental and physical health in the long run.

Aussie Pete · Nov 10, 2020

Paladin67 said:
I'm going to start off by saying that I'm not trying to justify my use of marijuana, if God wants me to stop using it I'm perfectly fine with that. However I'd like to point out that the bible seems to be okay with people drinking wine so long as you're not getting drunk.

"And do not get drunk with wine, for that is dissipation, but be filled with the Spirit" - Ephesians 5:18

DISSIPATION, noun
• Scattered attention; or that which diverts and calls off the mind from any subject.
• A dissolute, irregular course of life; a wandering from object to object in pursuit of pleasure; a course of life usually attended with careless and exorbitant expenditure of money, and indulgence in vices, which impair or ruin both health and fortune

DRUNKENNESS, noun
•Intoxication; inebriation; a state in which a person is overwhelmed or overpowered with spirituous liquors, so that his reason is disordered, and he reels or staggers in walking

From what I can tell we shouldn't get drunk or completely stoned, but what about tipsy/buzzed? If people can enjoy a small drink of wine, couldn't I enjoy a small amount of weed here and there? I don't deny that I like using it, I'd like to keep using it if I could and the bible seems to be very clear about what it defines as drunk. When I smoke I don't get completely stoned, the worst that happens is I forget things here and there but otherwise I'm fully conscious and aware of my surroundings, I can still focus on whatever it is I'm doing.

I've been all the way stoned before, I understand there is a difference between baked and buzzed. I tend to always be in the 2-3 level going off of this chart while most users are in the 5-8 range. So would you say I'm fine where I am? I've gone from being a heavy user to only using whatever is given to me thanks to God. I've already decided to never buy marijuana with my own money, since it's legal where I live people often give me some of theirs which is what I use. Every time I've tried to go cold turkey I've failed so this is as close to quitting as I could get for now. Am I good where I'm at so long as I try to maintain this level of moderation?

I'd be aiming for total abstinence. I was a heavy drinker and emotionally addicted to alcohol before I was saved. I thought that I could keep it under control after I was saved. That was proud presumption. I quit for two years and it cleaned out my system and broke the emotional bondage, thank God. I could have a drink but very little. I got to the point where I hated the fuzzy feeling of a small amount of alcohol in my system.
Very simply, if we need chemicals to get us through life, we are missing something. That's not to condemn you, please don't take it that way. I've never done drugs but I know many who have. A bunch were musicians who thought that they played better when stoned. One night they recorded themselves. It was rubbish. Drunks have a terrible perception of how badly they are affected (that's why many think it's ok to drive under the influence). Likewise those on drugs, including marijuana.

I also had to think of others in my life. If I was over the limit, I could not drive. My (ex) wife did not drive so in an emergency, we had a problem. If you are willing, God will set you free completely. I don't drink at all now and I don't miss it a bit.

Of the Kingdom · Nov 10, 2020

Paladin67 said:
couldn't I enjoy a small amount of weed here and there?

Your standard should be whatever the Holy Spirit is telling you, not what some random person on the Internet says.

Paladin67 said:
When I smoke I don't get completely stoned, the worst that happens is I forget things here and there but otherwise I'm fully conscious and aware of my surroundings

Given that you chose to ask the question, and are wondering, I would guess that is not okay for you. Considering that you have been reducing the amount you use for some time, maybe now is the point in time for you take stronger action.

Think about this from the point of view of someone who has never used. Should they be advised that "up to 3 on the scale" is ok for them, or is it better if they continue to avoid using? If we set an "official standard", that's pure legalism, and encourages people to behave according to the minimum acceptable behavior. A little gossip, but not enough to be mean. A little bit of anger, but not enough to threaten anyone. Etc.

May God continue to bless you as you walk with Him.

ViaCrucis · Nov 10, 2020

It's impossible to get some kind of objective metric here. The general advice of "don't get drunk" is helpful, because Scripture warns against the abuse of alcohol while never condemning alcohol (and, in fact, at times speaking very positively about it). So it's something that is best understood as a matter of conscience, using things like common sense and personal discretion.

Perhaps one person can handle their alcohol better than another, and so similar effects affect people differently. One person may have a couple drinks, feel a little tipsy, and their behavior becomes bad, well in that case, perhaps they should abstain; someone else can drink a few drinks and it doesn't really hit them the same way.

It's about using common sense and your own discretion, and abiding by your conscience--not about there being some universal all-comprehensive rule with some strict measuring stick.

-CryptoLutheran

1213 · Nov 11, 2020

Paladin67 said:
...From what I can tell we shouldn't get drunk or completely stoned, but what about tipsy/buzzed? If people can enjoy a small drink of wine, couldn't I enjoy a small amount of weed here and there? ...

I don’t recommend it, I also don’t judge it, but I ask, can’t you enjoy life without it?

Paladin67 · Nov 12, 2020

1213 said:
I don’t recommend it, I also don’t judge it, but I ask, can’t you enjoy life without it?

That's an interesting question because while I don't feel like I need it to enjoy life I can't quite give it up entirely. I use it casually as something to enhance whatever I'm doing, when I pray while buzzed I feel much closer to God for example. Whenever I need to just relax and entertain myself weed makes the experience a little better because I'm not overthinking or distracted.

Weed went from being a need to just being a want. I like it, I want to use it if I could in the same sense that people who enjoy wine can have some. However I'll also admit when it becomes a problem, I tell myself "weed is weed, sober is sober" to remind myself weed is not a substitute for wine and buzzed isn't sober.

Lost4words · Nov 12, 2020

Anthony2019 said:
I have never used marijuana. Many years ago I smoked tobacco quite heavily and I used to get drunk rather a lot. No-one forced me to pick up those cigarettes or drinks. It was me who made that choice and I now have to accept the consequences. Hindsight is not always a wonderful thing. Some day in the future, I may suffer from serious health conditions and perhaps even reduced longevity as a result of decisions I made in the past.
Our bodies are the only ones we have and it is up to us whether we want to take care of them.
I will certainly not think anything less of you, whatever you decide. You will not get any judgement or condemnation from me. But I would urge you to consider your mental and physical health in the long run.

Always superb posts from you my friend.

God bless you

Lost4words · Nov 12, 2020

I have never tried any of those drugs. Doesnt interest me. But, i will drink alcohol, in my bowl! Hik!

1213 · Nov 12, 2020

Paladin67 said:
...I can't quite give it up entirely. I use it casually as something to enhance whatever I'm doing, when I pray while buzzed I feel much closer to God for example. Whenever I need to just relax and entertain myself weed makes the experience a little better because I'm not overthinking or distracted....

In that case I just want to say, all good things in life are possible without drugs. And drugs can give harmful side effects. That is why I recommend not to use them.

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