We Are In The Laodicea Church Age

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If it's truly by the same word as how the earth was destroyed by water then that means the entire earth will be burned up and destroyed just like it was by the water, not just 1/3 of it.

You mentioned "world without end" and that deserves a response. I agree. Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth. That wouldn't mean much if they inherited an earth that would no longer exist at some point, right? The earth will not be completely annihilated (like the fictional planet Alderaan in Star Wars was, for example), but rather the entire surface of the earth will be burned up and the earth will be renewed, resulting in the new earth.

We can see in Rev 21:1 that the first heaven and first earth will have passed away when the new heaven and new earth are ushered in. So, again, how can Zech 14:10-11 be speaking of a future event in light of this? How can that passage be talking about land that exists during a future millennial earthly kingdom that will never be destroyed again when scripture makes it clear that all of the land on earth will be burned up?

There's plenty of Bible scholars who disagree, too, so why don't we leave them out of this since they don't all agree with each other? We can figure this out ourselves without them, can't we? Shouldn't we be like the Bereans? Who is your teacher, those scholars or the Holy Spirit?

It's ironic that you point to Rev 21 here because it clearly says that the first heaven and first earth (as they exist now) will pass away. Why are you denying clear scripture?

All you need do is show how people of all the nations of the earth, who live outside Gods city where all the redeemed dwell - who will continue to come up to the city to worship God for eternity, are able to survive the entire planet being burned up.
 
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If I do a DNA test on Benjamin Netanyahu and one on Ivanka Trump, Both Jews, do you expect them to have the same ancestral markers?

I do!

It's a big club, and turns out we're all in it.

As a result of natural dispersion and diffusion over more than 3,000 years, Abraham's genome is ubiquitous in the entire human race.

Genetics and mathematics concur.

So does the contemporary Jewish community, who acknowledge and applaud the reality.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

Well sorry to burst your allegorical bubble again, but all those articles were posted on another thread by another who tried to pretend we are all related to Jews and they were all debunked!

Not one of those speaks of universal lineage! There are genes of Jewishness in some unusual places but not one 0 nada, zip, zilch zero of these articles even hints at universal Jewish heritage!

Sorry but you are wrong again.

Again, and pay close attention, Not one single verse in the Old Testament, or New, written after the Babylonian Captivity mentions any other dispersion and re-gathering of the Genetic Hebrews from/to the geographic boundaries of earthly Israel.

Not even ONE.

If there were, you could post it.
But there isn't, which is why you haven't, because you can't.



, just remember in order for you to declare that all the pre babylonian and babylonian exilic prophets to mean the Babylonian exiles- you have to retranslate the passages. for none of the prophetic blessings occurred to Israel that Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Daniel declared by gpod actually occurred. So you have to spiritualize the passages to make them fit the babylonian dispersion.

And what does the timinig of the prophecies matter?

What you need to do is show - not just make an ex-cathedra proclamation that the return of the babylonian exile fulfilled all these prophecies!

But romans 11:25-27 is a nice place to start.

Same with Hebrews 8.

All ISrael doesn't know the Lord as the Bible declares as written.

Show how Amos 9:14-15 wqs fulfilled
or Zeph. 3:18-20
or Lev. 26:40-45
or Is. 30:23-26 especially seeing there were enslaved still until the diapora of 132-135 AD
or Ez. 28:25-26
or Ez. 34:25-31
or Ez. 36:8-15
or Ez. 36:28-38
or Joel 2:18-27 key on 27
or Joel 3:18

or teh facts God declared about teh Israelis found here:

Jer 3:18
Ez. 37:15-23

When did these happen:

Is. 14:1-2
Is. 49:22-23
Is. 60:1-3
Is. 61:4-9
Zeph 3:20
Mic. 7:14-17
Is. 27:13
Is. 66:20
Mic. 4:1-2
Is 62:1-12

So as you have made yor proclamation- show the fuflfilment of these prophetic words from the mouth of our God!
 
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I'm not going to go into the rest of the guff in your post, it doesn't match reality..

Does not Match reality? Puh-Leeze
Your claims are going to need more teeth if you expect to them take a bite...

Again, the REALITY is, Every last divinely inspired apostle believed and taught THE EXACT SAME THING as you are saying, namely: "The amount of prophecy currently being fulfilled suggests that the end is very close... it's likely most of us here (2000 years ago) will see it."
And they taught these FACTS to their contemporaries nearly 2000 years ago.
They taught their Contemporaries that they were living in the Last Hour, of the Last days, at the end of the age, and that the end was about to happen, before most of them died, before that generation passed, for the time was near, at hand, about to take place and must shortly come to pass.

Again I ask, are you asking us to believe they were completely wrong, but when you tell us the exact same things today, you are right?
Do you know something the Divinely inspired apostles didn't?
What else do you believe the apostles were wrong about?

Are you saying Acts 11:28 is not REAL?
28 Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which happened in the days of Claudius Caesar.

That this "great famine throughout all the world" never happened, even though scripture testifies it did??

You sure do seem to doubt the apostolic testimony a lot...
 
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Ummm...And the Bible says “futurist”... Where?

Instead of making up a strawman, why don’t you take the Scriptures I quoted and show us why they don’t mean what I contend they do, and give us your Alternate understanding of them?

Seems to me you’re the one adding your own private interpretation to Gods word, while I’m merely accepting it as written.
It was not my point. It was the fact futurist is not found as someone pointed out. I have never claimed it was. I just applied it equally to every eschatology theology I could think of.

If it was your own strawman argument, who is to blame?
 
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Does not Match reality? Puh-Leeze
Your claims are going to need more teeth if you expect to them take a bite...

Again, the REALITY is, Every last divinely inspired apostle believed and taught THE EXACT SAME THING as you are saying, namely: "The amount of prophecy currently being fulfilled suggests that the end is very close... it's likely most of us here (2000 years ago) will see it."
And they taught these FACTS to their contemporaries nearly 2000 years ago.
They taught their Contemporaries that they were living in the Last Hour, of the Last days, at the end of the age, and that the end was about to happen, before most of them died, before that generation passed, for the time was near, at hand, about to take place and must shortly come to pass.

Again I ask, are you asking us to believe they were completely wrong, but when you tell us the exact same things today, you are right?
Do you know something the Divinely inspired apostles didn't?
What else do you believe the apostles were wrong about?

Are you saying Acts 11:28 is not REAL?
28 Then one of them, named Agabus, stood up and showed by the Spirit that there was going to be a great famine throughout all the world, which happened in the days of Claudius Caesar.

That this "great famine throughout all the world" never happened, even though scripture testifies it did??

You sure do seem to doubt the apostolic testimony a lot...
So you're saying that the worldwide famine hinted at by the black horse of Revelation 6 written circa AD90 was fulfilled during the reign of Claudius Caesar in AD41-54? Have you heard yourself? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever..
 
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All you need do is show how people of all the nations of the earth, who live outside Gods city where all the redeemed dwell - who will continue to come up to the city to worship God for eternity, are able to survive the entire planet being burned up.
Those outside are those whose names are not written in the book of life and they will be in the lake of fire.

Rev 20:15
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

There are 2 possible eternal destinies for all people. One is to inherit the new heavens and new earth with immortal bodies and the other is to be cast into the lake of fire.

That is reflected in what Jesus taught here:

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world....
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels....46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
 
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Those outside are those whose names are not written in the book of life and they will be in the lake of fire.

Rev 20:15
Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

Rev 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. 15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

There are 2 possible eternal destinies for all people. One is to inherit the new heavens and new earth with immortal bodies and the other is to be cast into the lake of fire.

That is reflected in what Jesus taught here:

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world....
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels....46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

I’m not going to keep going around in circles with you and reiterating points I already made.

You believe your way, and I’ll believe the sum totality of scripture that is premillennial.

Shalom.
 
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I’m not going to keep going around in circles with you and reiterating points I already made.

You believe your way, and I’ll believe the sum totality of scripture that is premillennial.

Shalom.
In other words, you have nothing you can use to deny what I said.
 
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Well sorry to burst your allegorical bubble again, but all those articles were posted on another thread by another who tried to pretend we are all related to Jews and they were all debunked!

Not one of those speaks of universal lineage! There are genes of Jewishness in some unusual places but not one 0 nada, zip, zilch zero of these articles even hints at universal Jewish heritage!

Our friend placed me on "ignore" because he was unable to tolerate the exposure of his dispensational delusions, so he won't see this.

But it's certainly evident that he has either not read, or not understood, the contents of the linked articles regarding Abrahamic genetic ubiquity.

Unsurprisingly, he would have us believe that he knows more about Jewish genetics, than the Jews know about Jewish genetics.

Unsurprisingly, he doesn't.

Nor does he understand the definition of "hints". From just the title of one article:
"Israel in all of Us?"

It appears that he can't take a hint.

The math establishing the basis of ubiquity is indisputable, and is confirmed increasingly every day by empirical DNA testing.

Our friend is also not a very good dispensationalist. This article avers:
"DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews."

What promise of God to Abraham is fulfilled by revealing millions of Jews?

Every good dispensationalist knows it is...:

Genesis 22
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

...because every good dispensationalist knows that "thy seed" means "Jews".

Notwithstanding Galatians 3:16.

Our friend should be ecstatic at the literal fulfillment of Genesis 22:18 which Abrahamic genetic ubiquity confirms. It is nothing less than dispensational utopia.

But our friend is not a good dispensationalist.
 
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So you're saying that the worldwide famine hinted at by the black horse of Revelation 6
Worldwide? Revelation 6?
“A quarter of th earth” is worldwide?
You’re not much of a literalist are you?
The Acts worldwide famine Was a “last days” famine that Jesus told His apostles they would see come to pass it their day that they would recognize as the beginning of sorrows (Matthew 24:7)
written circa AD90
As far and away the vast majority of published scholars agree, Revelation was written between 66 and 68AD in the final years of the Neronic persecution.

do you hear yourself?
 
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Worldwide? Revelation 6?
“A quarter of th earth” is worldwide?
You’re not much of a literalist are you?
The Acts worldwide famine Was a “last days” famine that Jesus told His apostles they would see come to pass it their day that they would recognize as the beginning of sorrows (Matthew 24:7)

As far and away the vast majority of published scholars agree, Revelation was written between 66 and 68AD in the final years of the Neronic persecution.

do you hear yourself?
I swear you're delusional.. A quarter of the earth is referencing the pale green horse with Death as it's rider and Hades following close behind, it is THEY who are given power over a quarter of the earth.

The famine to which I refer is the one hinted at by the BLACK horse.. A day's wages for enough grain to make only enough bread for a single meal? That's famine..

Have a watch of one or two of Christian the Ice Age Farmer's videos to see just how desperate the food shortage situation is becoming WORLDWIDE!
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCI-Am0t4qQaP_Do9FwMWw3Q/videos
His research is thorough, his presentation solid and his conclusions irrefutable, the world stands on the brink of famine. The WHOLE world..

Far and away the vast majority? A few isn't "the vast majority" it's a few.. Most scholars agree that Revelation was written circa AD95 if not before but almost certainly during the reign of Domitian (AD81-96). Yes a few think it was written in the time of Nero, I grant you that, but nowhere near your "vast majority".
 
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I swear you're delusional..
I'll leave that to our readers to decide which of us is delusional...

Far and away the vast majority? A few isn't "the vast majority" it's a few.. Most scholars agree that Revelation was written circa AD95 if not before but almost certainly during the reign of Domitian (AD81-96). Yes a few think it was written in the time of Nero, I grant you that, but nowhere near your "vast majority".

It is demonstrably the vast majority.
Here is a list
(and it is a partial list) that contains over 150 published scholars (most of which are staunch futurists) who maintain and profess that Revelation was written prior to 70AD.

Please provide your list (and it better be well over 150) of scholarly opinions of late date advocates so our readers can test the veracity of your claim that MOST prefer the late date.
I suppose your claim of "most scholars" would have to be a 50% majority at the very least, and if my list of 150 is to be accurately categorized by you as merely "a few" then your list ought to be well over 500, no?
So, Ki my friend, if you can come up with 225-500+ names and reference links to their work (as I have) of scholarly, published late date advocates, and post them here for us to examine, perhaps our readers will begin to entertain your above assertions seriously.

Here's the reality, All late date testimony rests squarely on the shoulders of one solitary statement by Irenaeus, and it is disputed as to what it even says (was John seen? --or-- was the Revelation seen? -- who knows what Irenaeus said). Even Eusebius rejects Irenaeus testimony and prefers that a different John (John the Presbyter) wrote the book, not the apostle, as Irenaeus believes. This is important, and for certain, the late date folks that came after were merely basing their opinions on Irenaeus! Scholars agree that Irenaeus' statement is questionable at best, and it contradicts other things Irenaeus said about "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation (Eusebius: Ecc History: 5:8:5-6; see also Against Heresies 5:30:1,3). The notion of "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation cannot be reconciled with the proposition that Revelation was seen "almost in Irenaeus' generation" -- however it could be reconciled with the view that Irenaeus actually stated that JOHN was seen in Domitian's reign, not the vision. Then again, Irenaeus also claimed Jesus lived to be over 50 years old! "

...after the fortieth and fiftieth year, it begins to verge towards elder age: which our Lord was of when He taught, as the Gospel and all the Elders witness, who in Asia conferred with John the Lord's disciple...."(Against Heresies 2:22:5)

So, we must not uncritically swallow Irenaeus historic testimony. Scholars admit that Irenaeus' quote concerning Revelation is all the evidence there is for a late date, and that his quote is inconclusive as to even what it means:

Daniel Denham (1979)
"The testimony of Irenaeus is considered the bastion of the evidence for the Late Date...The obscurity of the testimony, as it has come down to us, must be considered as weak and inconclusive to demand the Late Date." (Date of the Book Of Revelation"; H. Daniel Denham, Part 1, 1979)

Steve Gregg
"Since the text is admittedly "uncertain" in many places, and the quotation in question is known only from a Latin translation of the original, we must not place too high a degree of certainty upon our preferred reading of the statement of Irenaeus." (Revelation: Four Views, p. 18)

The quote from Irenaeus is considered to be weak and inconclusive, and it can even read that JOHN was seen in the reign of Domitian. (Robert Young even thinks NERO was intended, which would fully accord with Irenaeus statement about the "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation.)

There are also Arethas, the Muratorian Canon, Clement of Alexandria, & the Syriac Vulgate -- all these statements require an early date.

The Muratorian Canon of AD 170, for example, says that Paul, in writing to only seven churches, was following a rule set by John. For Paul to be following a rule set by John about writing to only seven churches, Paul had to know that John wrote to seven churches -- and this requires that Paul knew about Revelation 2-3 before his martyrdom.

And I haven't even touched the internal evidence of the book, which entirely demands that the vision speaks of a soon coming catastrophe of grave Jewish importance, which historically cannot fit any time but 66-70 AD. The book of Revelation is the prophecy of the catastrophe of the downfall of Old Covenant Israel and the avenging of the blood of the apostles and prophets.
 
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I am a firm believer in the 7 Church Age theory. I believe that we are currently in the Laodicea Church Age. If I am correct about this then Jesus will return very soon.
I have a new theory. I think we are at the crossroads between Philidelphia and Laodicea, maybe? The Deceiver has some heady deception going on right now. Ethnic/inherited "Christianity" for one. It is going to get worse before it gets better. I have reason to believe some of us are in Philadelphia right now and we won't make it to Laodicea but many living today will be classified as such. Just my personal thoughts anyway.
 
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I'll leave that to our readers to decide which of us is delusional...



It is demonstrably the vast majority.
Here is a list
(and it is a partial list) that contains over 150 published scholars (most of which are staunch futurists) who maintain and profess that Revelation was written prior to 70AD.

Please provide your list (and it better be well over 150) of scholarly opinions of late date advocates so our readers can test the veracity of your claim that MOST prefer the late date.
I suppose your claim of "most scholars" would have to be a 50% majority at the very least, and if my list of 150 is to be accurately categorized by you as merely "a few" then your list ought to be well over 500, no?
So, Ki my friend, if you can come up with 225-500+ names and reference links to their work (as I have) of scholarly, published late date advocates, and post them here for us to examine, perhaps our readers will begin to entertain your above assertions seriously.

Here's the reality, All late date testimony rests squarely on the shoulders of one solitary statement by Irenaeus, and it is disputed as to what it even says (was John seen? --or-- was the Revelation seen? -- who knows what Irenaeus said). Even Eusebius rejects Irenaeus testimony and prefers that a different John (John the Presbyter) wrote the book, not the apostle, as Irenaeus believes. This is important, and for certain, the late date folks that came after were merely basing their opinions on Irenaeus! Scholars agree that Irenaeus' statement is questionable at best, and it contradicts other things Irenaeus said about "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation (Eusebius: Ecc History: 5:8:5-6; see also Against Heresies 5:30:1,3). The notion of "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation cannot be reconciled with the proposition that Revelation was seen "almost in Irenaeus' generation" -- however it could be reconciled with the view that Irenaeus actually stated that JOHN was seen in Domitian's reign, not the vision. Then again, Irenaeus also claimed Jesus lived to be over 50 years old! "

...after the fortieth and fiftieth year, it begins to verge towards elder age: which our Lord was of when He taught, as the Gospel and all the Elders witness, who in Asia conferred with John the Lord's disciple...."(Against Heresies 2:22:5)

So, we must not uncritically swallow Irenaeus historic testimony. Scholars admit that Irenaeus' quote concerning Revelation is all the evidence there is for a late date, and that his quote is inconclusive as to even what it means:

Daniel Denham (1979)
"The testimony of Irenaeus is considered the bastion of the evidence for the Late Date...The obscurity of the testimony, as it has come down to us, must be considered as weak and inconclusive to demand the Late Date." (Date of the Book Of Revelation"; H. Daniel Denham, Part 1, 1979)

Steve Gregg
"Since the text is admittedly "uncertain" in many places, and the quotation in question is known only from a Latin translation of the original, we must not place too high a degree of certainty upon our preferred reading of the statement of Irenaeus." (Revelation: Four Views, p. 18)

The quote from Irenaeus is considered to be weak and inconclusive, and it can even read that JOHN was seen in the reign of Domitian. (Robert Young even thinks NERO was intended, which would fully accord with Irenaeus statement about the "ancient copies" of the book of Revelation.)

There are also Arethas, the Muratorian Canon, Clement of Alexandria, & the Syriac Vulgate -- all these statements require an early date.

The Muratorian Canon of AD 170, for example, says that Paul, in writing to only seven churches, was following a rule set by John. For Paul to be following a rule set by John about writing to only seven churches, Paul had to know that John wrote to seven churches -- and this requires that Paul knew about Revelation 2-3 before his martyrdom.

And I haven't even touched the internal evidence of the book, which entirely demands that the vision speaks of a soon coming catastrophe of grave Jewish importance, which historically cannot fit any time but 66-70 AD. The book of Revelation is the prophecy of the catastrophe of the downfall of Old Covenant Israel and the avenging of the blood of the apostles and prophets.

Oh I see.. you've got form and I fell into your trap. Bravo! :clapping:

I wonder how many times you've used it over the last fifteen years? I'd venture "lots" would be the answer to that..

I'd love to take you up on your challenge, really I would, but I genuinely don't have the time that you evidently had 15 years ago to compile long lists of scholars and their publications. The list is impressive I must admit, did you create it yourself or borrow it from somewhere else?

Btw, when the last time you checked the links in that old post?
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Oh I see.. you've got form and I fell into your trap. Bravo! :clapping:

I wonder how many times you've used it over the last fifteen years? I'd venture "lots" would be the answer to that..

I'd love to take you up on your challenge, really I would, but I genuinely don't have the time that you evidently had 15 years ago to compile long lists of scholars and their publications. The list is impressive I must admit, did you create it yourself or borrow it from somewhere else?

Btw, when the last time you checked the links in that old post?
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It's ok to admit you've simply been regurgitating what you've been taught and uncritically swallowed, and haven't really done any research of your own to test to "see if it was so".

But maybe, just maybe, this will give you pause for the future before you make another claim that can be so easily refuted.
 
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The various churches aren't ages...

It is more like characters of those who follow Christ... of which 6/7 will be wrong.

Only the Church of Philadelphia will be correct, the one that actual loves humanity... and we can see clearly that most of the Churches don't if we just look around at the believers.

Indeed, a majority are kinda hateful, thinking themselves above all others.

Yet, even of the kind, how many actually have the Spirit and how many are going through the motions because they think they oughta?
I can see this. Pretention is high in some churches today. There are internet packages church rings buy that actually spy on congregants. Some of the most "inclusive" churches can become meaner than junkyard dogs if you question their methods/motives along these lines. (See the thread 'morality of church keylogging'). The love ain't there these days in many churches no matter how long you hang on hoping.
 
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I am a firm believer in the 7 Church Age theory. I believe that we are currently in the Laodicea Church Age. If I am correct about this then Jesus will return very soon.
Hi, I'm back with a little more understanding of the 7 churches. My question about Laodicea is do you believe they get spit out at the Rapture? If so, are they saved since they are identified as a 'church' or did they never know Christ to begin with?

Partial Rapture theory is not popular because some feel it requires works to make would-be Laodecians more Rapture-ready.
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I'm on the fence as to whether Laodiceans are authentic believers and whether the Rapture is more a blessed reward (based on the heart not works) that will be denied Laodicean "Christians."

I hope these questions doesn't sound mean and offensive. I don't determine who is saved and what rewards and punishments are in store for anyone. I'm just curious.Plus, I want to spread awareness to the possible plight of those who personally identify with the church at Laodicea.
 
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