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All bibles have the same message. God sent his son Jesus Christ, to die on the cross, paying for sin, and being rose again by God 3 days later.

Turn from darkness towards the light, love God and love your neighbor as yourself.

Never met anyone really hard on kjv so it just seems silly.


You make the Bible into a one page salvation tract? Believing in Christ is only the beginning. We are born again as babies needing milk. We must mature or remain as infants all our adult lives. Many end up that way because of poor Bible teaching.

The Bible when its properly taught contains immense depth and riches to be discovered that are buried and HIDDEN in the Word of God.



"My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love,
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding,
in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in
whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."
Col 2:2-3


We are told that He is the Word! (John 1:1) We have phenomenal teachings to be yet discovered. Most pulpits will serve their people the same old thing over and over again. Hardly anyone digs deep to find the amazing treasures we can not see unless dug out for us and shown in the Light.

Here is one provision God has given for us if we want it...

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grace and peace.......
 
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You make the Bible into a one page salvation tract? Believing in Christ is only the beginning. We are born again as babies needing milk. We must mature or remain as infants all our adult lives. Many end up that way because of poor Bible teaching.

The Bible when its properly taught contains immense depth and riches to be discovered that are buried and HIDDEN in the Word of God.



"My goal is that they may be encouraged in heart and united in love,
so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding,
in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ, in
whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."
Col 2:2-3


We are told that He is the Word! (John 1:1) We have phenomenal teachings to be yet discovered. Most pulpits will serve their people the same old thing over and over again. Hardly anyone digs deep to find the amazing treasures we can not see unless dug out for us and shown in the Light.

Here is one provision God has given for us if we want it...

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grace and peace.......

Yes, brother genez. I believe God write his laws on peoples hearts and minds, without ever needing to even use the bible.

Some people will never pick up and read a bible in their entire lifetime.

So pointing out about he is the Word is not really all that crucial in my opinion, then again... I'm a Christian Anarchist. ( And I do understand he was the Word).

Haha. God bless you too! Welcome to the internet.
 
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You make the Bible into a one page salvation tract? Believing in Christ is only the beginning.

The Gospel may be expressed simply - even as a 1 page salvation tract. The whole Bible, clearly, cannot be.

The point is (although that wasn't my post) that the Gospel is the same in all translations of the Bible. To listen to some people, you would think that only the KJV had the true Gospel and all the rest had a different one.
 
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Yes, brother genez. I believe God write his laws on peoples hearts and minds, without ever needing to even use the bible.

Some people will never pick up and read a bible in their entire lifetime.

So pointing out about he is the Word is not really all that crucial in my opinion, then again... I'm a Christian Anarchist. ( And I do understand he was the Word).

Haha. God bless you too! Welcome to the internet.
Go your way....


Welcome to the internet? I was posting when Compuserve was new. You're nothing new to me. Reminds me of someone boasting how he will never become addicted to heroin.
 
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The Gospel may be expressed simply - even as a 1 page salvation tract. The whole Bible, clearly, cannot be.

The point is (although that wasn't my post) that the Gospel is the same in all translations of the Bible. To listen to some people, you would think that only the KJV had the true Gospel and all the rest had a different one.


All decent translations have enough to know what to believe to become saved. But, leaving many insecure in their salvation that followed when they believed. That's sometimes as far as it can go.

For those who are being truly led of the Spirit, they will find what God desires them to find. Some of us simply present what some are to find. Others make excuses.
 
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Just really curious to know if as a believer, that am I responsible for others and their own salvation if they a believer? Or a nonbeliever?
Reword that please... Poor translation. Really. Responsible for what? In what way?

What you wrote is a perfect example of how translations can mislead.
 
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Nevermind. Thank you anyway sir.

Philippians 2:12 12 So that, my beloved, as ye always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, with fear and trembling your own salvation work out,

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Only thing that Im responsible for is my own conduct in the world that is lived in. I can share the gospel with someone, share scripture with someone, talk about the Lord with someone, go my own way, and they are responsible for their self and their own salvation.

God is always writing on the hearts and minds of others, and God is constantly working in and around ways to bring them to the truth and knowledge of that truth.

That has been my experience anyway.

@genez
 
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Nevermind. Thank you anyway sir.

Philippians 2:12 12 So that, my beloved, as ye always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, with fear and trembling your own salvation work out,

12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Only thing that Im responsible for is my own conduct in the world that is lived in. I can share the gospel with someone, share scripture with someone, talk about the Lord with someone, go my own way, and they are responsible for their self and their own salvation.

How are you going to work out your salvation in fear and trembling all by yourself, when we need qualified people to teach us what we need to think with?
Paul was writing to those who studied under him. With what they had learned from Paul they needed to work out their salvation in fear and trembling.

After good teachers teach you what you need to think with.. is when you are able to do your own thinking to work out your salvation. You're not to be a psychic hotline with God always speaking to you directly with Bible in hand. Why even have the Bible if that were the way?

I will give you an example....

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and
to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age."
Titus 2:11-12​

Tell us by reading your Bible translation ... or any other translation... what those two verses speak of?

How does the grace of God teach us about those things? Will your translation let you know how its done?

grace and peace.....
 
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@genez can I ask you one more question?

Just really curious to know if as a believer, that am I responsible for others and their own salvation if they a believer? Or a nonbeliever?
You're responsible to find truth and not to lie to others... They will work out their own salvation with the truth they have been shown.
 
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God is always writing on the hearts and minds of others, and God is constantly working in and around ways to bring them to the truth and knowledge of that truth.

That has been my experience anyway.

Yet, God is not writing on the hearts and minds of others. Only those who accept what has been written by God when taught soundly. Lot's of false doctrines are being embraced by believers today.... Is that not the case?

You over simplify and make it sound like we gain knowledge through osmosis. That we do not have to take up our own cross, deny self, and keep on taking in sound doctrinal teachings.

Most people like learning what they want to hear. There are many pastors who will oblige.

Most believers will find sound doctrinal teaching painful to their pride. For when the Bible is taught accurately it knocks them off of their own throne of ego.

Look what it teaches here are bout how believers will receive sound doctrinal teachings. Paul was warning Timothy that this day would come. And, we are now in it.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."
2 Tim 4:3


Pick your translation....

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine...


For the time will come when they will not tolerate sound doctrine...


For there will be a time when they will not endure sound teaching...


The time is coming when people won't listen to good teaching....


Sound doctrine is hard to find these days.
 
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How are you going to work out your salvation in fear and trembling all by yourself, when we need qualified people to teach us what we need to think with?

This is for the believer who already believes. A person who believes already accepts the Lord Yeshua Christ who died on the cross, and believes that God raised him again on the third day.

A believer already believes, so their salvation based on their faith is theirs alone and it's a measure of faith that comes based on their own knowledge of what has been given to them by the word of faith, that increases a persons faith by what?

Hearing the word, and sharing the word. (Also reading the word but not everyone does that). They just hear it or get short bits that are fed in to their mouth, or that goes in to their ears.

This is for certain, not everyone teaches and or preaches the same way ; IE: Denominations, doctrines, and on and on and on. I try to keep it simple short and sweet to understand.


After they teach you what you need to think with is when you are able to do your own thinking to work out your salvation. You're not to be a psychic hotline with God always speaking to you directly. Why even have the Bible if that were the way?

Never claimed to be the voice of God. I addressed this above, people teach, but not everyone teaches the same way, cause their are hundreds of thousands of youtube videos with opinions and biased viewpoints that anyone can go see watch, be taught then go out and believe that what they are doing is the right thing because of what they have been taught and that is totally okay because of freedom.

No one is ever going to be the same, the only thing anyone will ever be the same in, will be their belief on the Lord Yeshua Christ who came, died, and was risen again by God.

There will be believers who still live in the flesh, and suffer.

There will be believers who try to live by the spirit as the flesh dies off, and still suffer.

Suffering is a given in the life of any Christian.

I will give you an example....

For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and
to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age."
Titus 2:11-12​

Tell us by reading your Bible translation ... or any other translation... what those two verses speak of?

Salvation of the world (all people) came in and through the Lord Yeshua Christ he died for my sins, and your sins before we were even born or began to believe.

Addressing the scripture; by the spirit will people realize they need to in their own lives whenever it is realized that they will slowly over time if they keep going to God the world and it's ways will be come less and less, as they build up on the spirit and trusting God.

They can increase this faith by listening, hearing, reading the word. However being very liberal on this understanding God can work through experiences of humans, and humans can see what is help and useful to them, or not helpful or useful to them in their life by the spirit God gives by their faith.

What that faith looks like? There is a different measure given based on what they have learned and come to understand.


How does the grace of God teach us about those things? Will your translation let you know how its done?

grace and peace.....

Is it the grace of God that teaches us? Or is it the spirit inside of that teaches what a believer has learned and come to understand within themselves after they have heard the word of God and that faith is established in their hearts when they believed?

Hopefully my answers have given you some understanding to my own brain.

God bless, grace and peace to you and your family as well, thank you so much for the great questions.
 
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This is for the believer who already believes. A person who believes already accepts the Lord Yeshua Christ who died on the cross, and believes that God raised him again on the third day.

Yet there are believers who believe they can lose that salvation. These are only saved legally. God knows they are saved, but they keep thinking they can break some law to lose it.
 
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Yet there are believers who believe they can lose that salvation. These are only saved legally. God knows they are saved, but they keep thinking they can break some law to lose it.

What do you think about my thoughts of faith, the word of God, and how he works though?

I understand that people believe those things because they either listening to the people who desire them to be perfect, when they can not. They try to achieve perfection in this life, or try to live up to standards of others and often times might end up killing themselves.

What can we do about that other than reassure them the truth of the matter of God loves them and nothing can separate them from Gods love?

Oh what a suffering life we have to live in, and for some it so much worse and it is really terrible sad and unfortunate but it is how it is.

When we shut our computers off, the only people we can reach are those we are the nearest too.
 
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Addressing the scripture;

Which was...


For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.
It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and
to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age." ttus 2:11-12
You responded....

by the spirit will people realize they need to in their own lives whenever it is realized that they will slowly over time if they keep going to God the world and it's ways will be come less and less, as they build up on the spirit and trusting God.

They can increase this faith by listening, hearing, reading the word. However being very liberal on this understanding God can work through experiences of humans, and humans can see what is help and useful to them, or not helpful or useful to them in their life by the spirit God gives by their faith.

That is what your English translation easily conveys. But, it is not correct.

The Greek word translated "teaches" is not the same Greek word we normally see with a teacher - student situation. For God does not simply teach us what not to do which is wrong.

No.. the Greek word means to teach some determined knucklehead to not do what is wrong by allowing for him to get hurt badly by allowing him to get his own way.

Its like a child who is being told not to stick his finger in the flame of a candle. You may warn him a few times. But.. after he thinks he is alone? You allow for him to do what he wants.

When that happens? He gets burned. That is how God's grace teaches all men to learn to say NO! to ungodliness. Translations will leave you in the dark concerning that 'gem.' Its also gives us a better perspective as to why we should refrain from judging others who want to stick their finger in the flame.

Those who persist? In some cases may use drugs, or gets drunk, to kill the pain.. and will do it again anyway. These build up scar tissue on their souls and become hardened to the Spirit's drawing. For them (if they are a believer) there is the sin unto death as found in the following...

If you see any brother or sister commit a sin that does not lead to death,
you should pray and God will give them life. I refer to those whose sin does
not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that
you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does
not lead to death."
1 John 5:16-17​

For those who harden their hearts - and are unbelievers? They find jobs in the news media and socialistic politics.

grace and peace.......
 
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Thanks man I just trying to have good conversation and you just go off on a rant about translation and ya ya.

Ill let you be right in your own mind. Peace dude, @genez

Maybe I am suppose to respect my elders, sometimes though it's like this

1 Timothy 4:2 Don’t let anyone think less of you because you are young. Be an example to all believers in what you say, in the way you live, in your love, your faith, and your purity.

I believe what I had to say was from a good heart of faith maybe you feel the need to correct me its fine. Already have a Father though.
 
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All decent translations have enough to know what to believe to become saved. But, leaving many insecure in their salvation that followed when they believed. That's sometimes as far as it can go.

All translations have the same Gospel, the same way of salvation and the same teaching on living the Christian life.
People may be insecure in their salvation for a number of reasons; I doubt that any are to do with various translations of Scripture.
 
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What do you think about my thoughts of faith, the word of God, and how he works though?

I understand that people believe those things because they either listening to the people who desire them to be perfect, when they can not. They try to achieve perfection in this life, or try to live up to standards of others and often times might end up killing themselves.

What can we do about that other than reassure them the truth of the matter of God loves them and nothing can separate them from Gods love?

If they are taught the Word of God by someone who knows what he doing? They will learn to know for themselves that their salvation is secure. That's baby Christianity- 102.

Then, having matured that much?

They should come to know that God will demand of them their very life. To never stop growing in grace and knowledge of God's Word. That requires excellent pastor-teachers for that job. Few exist. And, few believers want it. Most believers will seek nice churchianity, and friends to socialize with along their own preferred chosen path.

Jesus warned (believers)...

The narrow gate is walking on the path of sound doctrinal teachings.
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, and only a few find it.

“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

The word translated "strait" does not mean straight. It means 'strict." For what is to be believed must be an accurate understanding of what is written. Translations are too casual and relaxed to provide that need. And, to make matters worse? The KJV makes one to be sitting in a church at the time of Shakespeare. I still can not figure out and understand a "Midsummer Night Dream."
 
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Thanks man I just trying to have good conversation and you just go off on a rant about translation and ya ya.

Ill let you be right in your own mind. Peace dude, @genez

Maybe I am suppose to respect my elders, sometimes though it's like this

1 Timothy 4:2 Don’t let anyone think less of you because you are young. Be an example to all believers in what you say, in the way you live, in your love, your faith, and your purity.
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And, that is why Paul warned Timothy that the time was coming when they will not put up with/ tolerate/ sound doctrine. (2 Timothy 4:3)

That was written by Paul to young Timothy...Yet, Timothy was an elder of the church.. concerning people in the congregation who thought they knew it all.

It was not written to a believer who was young in the Lord. Paul was telling Timothy that he should be much older than those in the congregant who were physically older, but immature in Christ. Immature believers can be quite arrogant in many ways. Even when they are older humanly speaking.

After all, it was the adult population that despised Moses in the wilderness.
 
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All translations have the same Gospel, the same way of salvation and the same teaching on living the Christian life.
People may be insecure in their salvation for a number of reasons; I doubt that any are to do with various translations of Scripture.
When it comes to living the Christian life? No. Too many things are left to one's subjective imagination because too often a translation does not tell you why something was concluded, and what was going on at the time of writing. Sorry... we have over a thousand denominations because of ambiguity.
 
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