Scott Adam's Case for Voter Fraud in the Presidential election

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No I’m pretty sure this is Trump’s lame attempt at stealing an election. It’s pretty transparent and not unexpected from him. Thankfully it’s just about two months of this nonsense and he’s done for good. Let the child throw his tantrum.

See, you minimized it to a single fraudulent claim, when there seems to be much more, making me belive your comment is as emptuy as you claim his is. You appear to be going overboard, and some see that as, your comment should be taken with a grain of salt.

I choose to wait and see.

There was no cheating,

Awful broad statement there.
 
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"When I fed them, they were satisfied; when they were satisfied, they became proud; then they forgot me."—Hosea 13:6

Popped into my head. Not apparently applicable to pagan media, but fitting as to the prosperity-into-decadence story of all cultures in late phase. Sitting aloft in the high rises, pampered to the tune of millions, the bought and paid for "reporters" will say or do anything to the bidding of their Paymasters. NETWORK is a foul-mouthed satire from the late 70's but it absolutely nails our current media (and its love affair with miscreants and radicals).
I am not aware of the Druid Broadcasting Network or any other "pagan" media. The media is generally secular. But there are significant numbers of religious broadcasting outlets.
 
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1) The polls were way off. It has been known that the pollsters have had problems sampling Trump supporters. And besides that you have the phenomenon of "the shy Trump voter" where people don't want to admit that they are voting for him because of the stigmatization from lefties.

I have a survey question for you (and any other Trump supporter can also answer):

If you got a phone call, text message, DM, or email from a pollster asking you to participate in an election poll would you?
 
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Fox and AP.

A lot of people think the call was way too early, but looking at the end results thus far, it seems to be a correct one. Trump isn't closing the gap fast enough and people like Dave Wasserman (who works for, I think, MSNBC on their election calls) are all but saying Trump isn't going to win it after several days of saying he still has a good chance. There's not enough votes remaining in strong Trump areas for him to overtake Biden. Yesterday he needed to take the Maricopa ballot releases by +11, to stay on track. He got them at +2.

It looks like they made the call based on inaccurate information on how many votes remained to be counted in AZ. They decided to not retract their call, likely taking the gamble that even though their models still predicted a Biden win, it wasn't at the normal certainty, and then delayed calling NV because that would give Biden 270 electoral votes. Once PA was called, NV was safe to call too.

I largely agree with this, but despite it looking like Fox and AP were ultimately correct they did not make their calls based on information that they could reasonable use to project forward. (They got lucky.)

Traditional "diving" of results from incomplete results relies on the distribution of votes counted and the votes left to be counted. Past voting histories can tell if each precinct might favor which candidate and by how much. During a live vote tally the analytics people in the media can look at the current tally and see if the current leader has gotten most of the areas favorable to them or not. This kind of info is used to build simple models to project whether a candidate will win. Sometimes even when fairly little of the vote is tabulated a call can be made, even for the candidate who appears temporarily to be behind.

The Arizona count has none of this to help project it forward. The vote was dominated by non-early voting (mail, drop box) that was counted not at the precinct level, but at the county level. The large shifts in voting mode by voters of different parties introduced new effects they didn't have any history of measurement to use in projections. To make things worse, the batches of ballots were counted by time of collection (presumably because the drop boxes were emptied on regular schedules, etc.) with no precinct details. Nobody knows how voters who dropped off their ballots in the last weekend compare by party to those who dropped them off on election day. Arguments could be made either way, but nobody knew anything. The lean of any group of remaining batches wasn't determinable by the prior batches.

Pennsylvania was a bit different because there were so many more counties and only two major batches (in person, counted on Tues. night; and absentee, counted for several more days) and the partial releases of the absentee ballots were just part of the same undifferentiated mass so they *could* be used predict the rest. (The provisionals were counted last, larger than usual, and subject to the same uncertainties about motivation that plagued AZ.)

That said, they had the info to call PA on Friday evening and held back and should have called GA the Saturday morning if not sooner.
 
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Would have been easier had it occurred during the daytime with observers allowed back in

It would have been easier if the claims had evidence. Your remark above presumes the existence of fraud to be witnessed by observers. And there’s no evidence of the specific kind of “observers” being kicked out to be allowed “back in.”

But this is the slippery quality of your theory there’s fraud. Your theory can never be nullified, impervious to falsification or disbelief. Why? Because you explain a way a lack of evidence for fraud. Oh, can’t find the evidence, that’s because they were masters at hiding it. Much like the introduction to philosophy of knowledge mind game of a visible demon is trapped in a box but that demon disappears whenever anyone looks for it in the box, thereby evading any falsification or disbelief in the idea there’s a demon trapped in the box.
 
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It's really simple. The current president lost the election. There was no cheating, his opponent received more votes. Being so sore about this loss is just a sad way to devote your time, especially feeling sore for a man that does not care about you.
Tucker Carlson rips ‘milk bottles at the fair’ election: ‘You are not crazy for knowing it’

“‘We are going to find that people did illegally vote. That’s going to happen,’” the “Tucker Carlson Tonight” host said while paraphrasing a Georgia election official... "you can believe it because we’ve already found illegal voting. So much for those claims that ‘voter fraud never happens!’ Of course it happens.

The host said that journalists and pundits have opted for “shut up and accept Joe Biden” messaging instead of a fact-finding mission for the truth about possible mail-in voting fraud, clerical errors and software glitches that benefited Mr. Biden.
 
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It would have been easier if the claims had evidence. Your remark above presumes the existence of fraud to be witnessed by observers. And there’s no evidence of the specific kind of “observers” being kicked out to be allowed “back in.”

But this is the slippery quality of your theory there’s fraud. Your theory can never be nullified, impervious to falsification or disbelief. Why? Because you explain a way a lack of evidence for fraud. Oh, can’t find the evidence, that’s because they were masters at hiding it. Much like the introduction to philosophy of knowledge mind game of a visible demon is trapped in a box but that demon disappears whenever anyone looks for it in the box, thereby evading any falsification or disbelief in the idea there’s a demon trapped in the box.
See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil – Grammarist

In the West, the proverb see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil means to turn a blind eye to something that is legally or morally wrong. In this case, a person who will see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil pretends that he has not witnessed wrongdoing, and therefore abdicates all responsibility in righting a wrong
 
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See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil – Grammarist

In the West, the proverb see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil means to turn a blind eye to something that is legally or morally wrong. In this case, a person who will see no evil, hear no evil, and speak no evil pretends that he has not witnessed wrongdoing, and therefore abdicates all responsibility in righting a wrong

That’s your answer? A proverb whose applicability to the situation is very much in question. There’s no evidence of “evil” to be ignored.

Again, you start with the presumption of something nefarious occurred and then based on that presumption seek out, find, and quote an applicable proverb to your presumed set of facts.
 
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Tucker Carlson rips ‘milk bottles at the fair’ election: ‘You are not crazy for knowing it’

“‘We are going to find that people did illegally vote. That’s going to happen,’” the “Tucker Carlson Tonight” host said while paraphrasing a Georgia election official... "you can believe it because we’ve already found illegal voting. So much for those claims that ‘voter fraud never happens!’ Of course it happens.

The host said that journalists and pundits have opted for “shut up and accept Joe Biden” messaging instead of a fact-finding mission for the truth about possible mail-in voting fraud, clerical errors and software glitches that benefited Mr. Biden.

Tucker Carlson recently won a court case defending his right to blatantly lie based on the argument that "no reasonable viewer would take Carlson's claims seriously".
 
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Tucker Carlson recently won a court case defending his right to blatantly lie based on the argument that "no reasonable viewer would take Carlson's claims seriously".
Sounds like you were his codefendant?
 
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Sounds like you were his codefendant?

You keep posting false claims, and when you're called out on them, resort to ad hominems.

You should try to secure a post in the Trump administration while it still exists.
 
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Tucker Carlson rips ‘milk bottles at the fair’ election: ‘You are not crazy for knowing it’

“‘We are going to find that people did illegally vote. That’s going to happen,’” the “Tucker Carlson Tonight” host said while paraphrasing a Georgia election official... "you can believe it because we’ve already found illegal voting. So much for those claims that ‘voter fraud never happens!’ Of course it happens.

The host said that journalists and pundits have opted for “shut up and accept Joe Biden” messaging instead of a fact-finding mission for the truth about possible mail-in voting fraud, clerical errors and software glitches that benefited Mr. Biden.
The only "voter fraud never happens" people are the "they" straw people that Trump's supporters make up.

In Michigan, Biden leads by 150,000. Trump's crack legal team has flagged 180 ballots. Closing in fast, right?
 
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Life is so black & white you can master everything in sound-bytes ?
Smart people can, yes. A guy on You Tube can tell me in two minutes how to fix my vacuum, but this guy can't make even his first point in that time. BTW, what was his point, anyway?
 
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The only "voter fraud never happens" people are the "they" straw people that Trump's supporters make up.

In Michigan, Biden leads by 150,000. Trump's crack legal team has flagged 180 ballots. Closing in fast, right?
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Another ‘Computer Glitch’ Identified and Corrected in Oakland County, Michigan, Led to Republican Winning His Race – HT Back Officearea

Another ‘Computer Glitch’ Identified and Corrected in Oakland County, Michigan, Led to Republican Winning His Race

A REPUBLICAN IN OAKLAND COUNTY, MICHIGAN, HAD HIS ELECTION ROBBED BY A ‘COMPUTER GLITCH’ BUT THEN THIS WAS IDENTIFIED WHICH LED TO HIS WINNING HIS RACE. THE VOTER MACHINES IN THIS COUNTY ARE THE SAME AS THOSE USED ACROSS MICHIGAN AND GEORGIA AND ACROSS THE NATION.

Yesterday it was reported that a voter machine in one Michigan county flipped 6,000 votes from President Trump to Joe Biden. This so-called computer ‘glitch’ fix in one of Michigan’s counties led to 6,000 votes switching from Joe Biden to President Trump. The Head of the Republican Party asked for an additional 47 counties be recounted after the fix since these 47 counties also use the same Dominion software.​
 
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