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I don't think we are discussing Naaman's seven or Elijah's 3.Seven represent complete or perfect. Three denoted the end of a matter.

The word rest is a non time sensitive word. No one is removing it but rather defining it.

Genesis provide most of the foundations of doctrines of Christ.

Like assigning the first day to bring to our memory. God did assign the seventh day to remember he ceased from creating all the rudiments of this world which became corrupted when he did the work of corrupted it.. And he increased the load as the wage of sin, the living sufferings of hell. . Giving some men like born again Abel a temporal rest who were yoked with Him making the load bearable .. . called today

Cain the atheist saw no value in the unseen things of God .He murdered his brother Abel the first martyr. and plowed him under in the field to establish the pagan foundation. Out of sight out of mind, a fool.(no God in his heart)

When revealed the load would be increased Cain replied he could not bear it .

Only those yoked with Christ could bear it as long as today is today and they do not harden their hearts like Cain .

Cain became a restless (no sabbath) wanderer as a marked man. He wanted to die but God who is a man of His word informed him if any man would kill Cain to make his load (life sentence) lighter he would provide the same living sufferings without rest sabbath (hell ) to them .

The eternal rest. . no one has received it yet. We are still in our earthen bodies of death and still under the sun. We receive a shadow of that rest if we mix faith the unseen with the temporal seen, the gospel .

Genesis
4: 12;15 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth. And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain,(666) lest any finding him should kill him.

In effect saying; Mark my word it will accomplish the good purpose of my will by which I sent it.
Just in case you are interested Pastor Doug talks about Cain and Able and uses that story as an example of how things will be in end times and used the word mark upon Cain as a correlation to the mark of end times. Might be worth watching....

The whole series would be better to watch, but you can watch this one episode the refers to Cain and Abel you might find it interesting.


The rest of this series can be found here:
Program Archives | Revelation Now

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Just in case you are interested Pastor Doug talks about Cain and Able and uses that story as an example of how things will be in end times and used the word mark upon Cain as a correlation to the mark of end times. Might be worth watching....

The whole series would be better to watch, but you can watch this one episode the refers to Cain and Abel you might find it interesting.


The rest of this series can be found here:
Program Archives | Revelation Now

God Bless

Hi thanks. I watched most of it.

I have a different format for what I would call hearing Gods understanding a labor of His love to us.

One thing is to not look to wonders or marveling that can cause doubt as in unbelief. (No faith as yes or no.)

Like for instance with Nicodemus, that it seems he did look to wonders marveling . It seemed popular for the unbelieving Jew to look to signs as wonders or signs with wonders and not the gospel, as it is written.

Jesus in effect to the greatest possible miracle lovingly commanding Nicodemus to marvel not but rather believe, or exercise the faith that comes from hearing God not seen.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

When asked of the disciples when? Revealed in Mathew 24. Jesus refused to give that information but informed them things would be going on as business as usual until the last day , as signs of the times. Not something to wonder about but rather observe. He also warned them not to seek after signs to wonder by .The last was fulfilled. The sign of Jonas and Jesus working, a picture of the gospel. Three days and nights .

Evil generation below no faith coming from God. Natural unconverted mankind (666)

Luke 11:29And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

I believe it would include the sign representing the mark as a literal mark . The mark is the mark of His word. prophecy .His word as a mark will come to pass .

Cain the restless wander recognizing the punishments of no rest (sabbath) from the gospel unlike his brother Abel the first recorded martyr. Was a punishment that only those yoked with Christ could do have a living hope of a incorruptible body new body making our sufferings lighter. .

Genisis 4:13-15 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Again mark my living word it is law and not a theosophical theory. It will come to pass.

Cain saw no value in the things of faith the unseen eternal like that of Esau who sold his birth rite for a cup of goat soup .

So then it is not buying and selling the things of this world .But is to buy the gospel truth and sell sell it short .The mark of His word.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Electronics seem to be the new god to those who refuse God gives the intellect to make progress . It has become what's your experience as a wonder ? A out of the body (spirits bringing in to ones fleshly mind things to wonder about as experiences ? ) Rather than. . as it is written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)
 
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Hi thanks. I watched most of it.

I have a different format for what I would call hearing Gods understanding a labor of His love to us.

One thing is to not look to wonders or marveling that can cause doubt as in unbelief. (No faith as yes or no.)

Like for instance with Nicodemus, that it seems he did look to wonders marveling . It seemed popular for the unbelieving Jew to look to signs as wonders or signs with wonders and not the gospel, as it is written.

Jesus in effect to the greatest possible miracle lovingly commanding Nicodemus to marvel not but rather believe, or exercise the faith that comes from hearing God not seen.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

When asked of the disciples when? Revealed in Mathew 24. Jesus refused to give that information but informed them things would be going on as business as usual until the last day , as signs of the times. Not something to wonder about but rather observe. He also warned them not to seek after signs to wonder by .The last was fulfilled. The sign of Jonas and Jesus working, a picture of the gospel. Three days and nights .

Evil generation below no faith coming from God. Natural unconverted mankind (666)

Luke 11:29And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

I believe it would include the sign representing the mark as a literal mark . The mark is the mark of His word. prophecy .His word as a mark will come to pass .

Cain the restless wander recognizing the punishments of no rest (sabbath) from the gospel unlike his brother Abel the first recorded martyr. Was a punishment that only those yoked with Christ could do have a living hope of a incorruptible body new body making our sufferings lighter. .

Genisis 4:13-15 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Again mark my living word it is law and not a theosophical theory. It will come to pass.

Cain saw no value in the things of faith the unseen eternal like that of Esau who sold his birth rite for a cup of goat soup .

So then it is not buying and selling the things of this world .But is to buy the gospel truth and sell sell it short .The mark of His word.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Electronics seem to be the new god to those who refuse God gives the intellect to make progress . It has become what's your experience as a wonder ? A out of the body (spirits bringing in to ones fleshly mind things to wonder about as experiences ? ) Rather than. . as it is written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

Thanks for watching the video! It shows you are opened minded, even if we do not share some of the same beliefs.

I believe in the commandments of God are not only literal (do not kill, do not lie, keep the seventh day Sabbath Holy etc.) but in the second covenant we are meant to keep both the literal and spirit of the law. Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” God wrote the law with His own hand and now wants us to keeps those laws in our heart (love the law) and minds (honor the law).

Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law:

Mathew 5:
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus gave us an example of the spirit of the law and He came to magnify the law in our hearts
Murder begins in the heart Mathew 5:17-26 and so forth Mathew 5:27-30

Same with the 4th commandment. We can not receive rest in God if we do not keep His literal 4th commandment. The commandment does not just say to rest on the seventh day, it goes further than that:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I am not sure how God could be more clearer on this commandment. He specified this His day to make "Holy" and "Sacred" and asked us to Remember.

In Daniel it says laws and times would change Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law.

The 4th commandment is the only law that is a time (Saturday) and how ironic it is the Lord's HOLY DAY He asked us to REMEMBER. Satan was thrown out of Heaven because he wanted to be God, so making a false day of worship only makes sense and than we have the church admitting to changing God's Holy day not from any Biblical authority!

Quotes from the Catholic Church:

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

Of course these two old quotations are exactly correct. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit – or blame – for the change.
—This Rock, The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997

A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

God gave us His commandments and clearly defined His Holy Sabbath being the seventh day. It was even predicted in the Bible about changing His Holy day (although its not changed) which is one of the many reasons I think God started the 4th commandment with the word REMEMBER. The church OPENLY admits they changed the Sabbath day without the authority of the Bible. No one has the authority to change the laws of God and its called blasphemy Luke 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

God is calling us to come back to His true church. The day we will be worshiping Him in heaven Isaiah 66:23

As we enter into end times we all are going to have to make a decision- do we follow God and the simple commandments He gave including the Sabbath day He deemed to be His Holy day from creation Genesis 2:3 or do we worship on the day that was changed by man clearly documented.

The last days will all be about worship. Who do we worship? I think the mark will not be a literal mark it will be a symbolic mark if we worship God and follow His laws or do we worship man-made traditions.

We all choose- do we get the seal of God or the mark of the beast.

Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, Seal the law among my disciples.

God’s seal is found in His law. A seal is what makes a document official, and it normally contains three characteristics: Name, Office, and Territory. An example would be “Cyrus king of Persia” in Ezra 1:1.

3.  Which of the Ten Commandments contains all the elements of a seal? Exodus 20:11 For in six days the The Lord made the heaven and earth, the sea, and heavens and earth and all that in them is.
NOTE: The fourth commandment is the only one that contains all three elements of a seal: (1) “The Lord”—His name, (2) “made”—His office as Creator, (3) “heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is”—His territory

The commandment this is found in is the 4th commandment: Keeping His Sabbath Holy Exodus 20:8

Peter also told us Acts 5:29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law

Revelations 22:12-15

Jesus Testifies to the Churches
12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

So there is going to be a spiritual battle between the laws of God and the day we worship. You can never go wrong by taking the word of God over man.

There is a lot more on this subject. Some of the reference I used from here: https://manna.amazingfacts.org/amaz...prophecy/documents/LOP_Storacle_BW_Hor_14.pdf and the Revelations Now! series has real valuable insight on the book of Revelations : Program Archives | Revelation Now

I pray this will help.

God Bless!
 
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All that you are doing there in the effort to prove that the Catholic Church itself moved the day to Sunday is show us that you don't appreciate the fact that whatever the Bible says about Christians or church doings is believed by the Roman Catholic Church to be referring to itself!

The evidence for Sunday worship, the reason it became the Christian norm is revealed in God's word, the Bible. In the New Testament specifically. That is why Sunday is now the primary day of worship.

However, when the Catholic Church explains this, it characteristically argues that she, the institutional RCC denomination, is what the early believers so described in the NT represent. Not just the non-denominational church of the early days, but the Roman Catholic Church we know.

The RCC believes itself to be the only true church, the only one established by Christ, don't you know?
 
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All that you are doing there in the effort to prove that the Catholic Church itself moved the day to Sunday is show us that you don't appreciate the fact that whatever the Bible says about Christians or church doings is believed by the Roman Catholic Church to be referring to itself!

The evidence for Sunday worship, the reason it became the Christian norm is revealed in God's word, the Bible. In the New Testament specifically. That is why Sunday is now the primary day of worship.

However, when the Catholic Church explains this, it characteristically argues that she, the institutional RCC denomination, is what the early believers so described in the NT represent. Not just the non-denominational church of the early days, but the Roman Catholic Church we know.

The RCC believes itself to be the only true church, the only one established by Christ, don't you know?
The true Church is the one who believes in God and what is written in the Bible and the testimonies of the Word of God.

God Bless
 
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The true Church is the one who believes in God and what is written in the Bible.

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Fine. None of us is saying anything else.

But you did claim that Sunday worship was the doing of the institutional Catholic Church specifically, and that's not true. Nor do the excerpts from various Catholic publications which you gave us prove your claim (for the reason already explained).
 
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Fine. None of us is saying anything else.

But you did claim that Sunday worship was the doing of the institutional Catholic Church specifically, and that's not true. Nor do the excerpts from various Catholic publications which you gave us prove your claim (for the reason already explained).

I was providing quotes, they have been researched. You should be able to do your own research on those quotes because references were provided.

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Thanks for watching the video! It shows you are opened minded, even if we do not share some of the same beliefs.

I believe in the commandments of God are not only literal (do not kill, do not lie, keep the seventh day Sabbath Holy etc.) but in the second covenant we are meant to keep both the literal and spirit of the law. Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” God wrote the law with His own hand and now wants us to keeps those laws in our heart (love the law) and minds (honor the law).

There is much to discuss . we can get back the the fasting Sabbath .

Thanks for the reply. I would agree the scripture informs us there must be heresies as differences of opinions, heresy, meaning sect or denomination .The first denomination mentioned of this side of the 1st century reformation or cross is called the Nazarene sect or the Way.

Because we are lovingly commanded to seek the approval of God not seen. Differences in opinion called heresies, our private interpretation of what we think God is teaching are welcome as long as they do not deny the fullness of Christ's grace.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

Some teach we receive a unknown remnant of grace . And only what they call the queen of heaven received the fullness. And therefore a person must work to suffer to add to the unknown remnant for a unknown period of time and continue to work even after taking their last breath .

I believe in the commandments of God are not only literal (do not kill, do not lie, keep the seventh day Sabbath Holy etc.) but in the second covenant we are meant to keep both the literal and spirit of the law. Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” God wrote the law with His own hand and now wants us to keeps those laws in our heart (love the law) and minds (honor the law).

Jesus said He did not come to destroy the law:

Yes he came to establish it by the law of faith, Christ’s labor of love .

The law of faith (the unseen eternal) working together with the letter of the law “death” (scripture as it is written ) It provides one new perfect law. Separate it provides nothing. The flesh alone profits nothing.

In that way it’s a picture of the unseen Holy Father working with the Son of man Jesus seen. No father no son. No son no father.

Romans 3:30-31 King James Version (KJV)Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

By and through the unseen

Above circumcision is another ceremonial law a shadow as a temporal sign to the world a shadow used to preach the gospel . There we are informed the work of faith the unseen by and through it .The power of faith

That ceremonial law is like the 4th law or called a commandment as shadow of the unseen work of faith set aside for one day a person could offer the true fast (Isaiah 58) It along with prayer can cast out lying spirits, That is if Christ applies it (the gospel) to their heart .

But that is not our rest we receive today when we do not harden our own hearts. . . even that is a shadow of the eternal rest we will receive in our new incorruptible bodies . then the burden will be taken away and not made lighter being yoked with Him who works in us. giving a a living future hope.

This is when the letter of the law death will be tossed into the fiery judgment of God never to rise and condemn through corruption a entire creation .

There simply is no sign we can give as self-edifying or absolute evidence we have the born again of Spirit of Christ. We walk by faith the unseen.

Again two laws working together as one new and perfect. The letter death and the law of faith the unseen work working together as the peace of God giving us his understanding..

A perfect example in the Psalms. Working to both to will and to do the good pleasure of God.

Note. . (purple in parentheses) by added comment

Psalms 19:&-12 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul(doing the work of faith the labor of His love) : the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple(doing the work of faith ).The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: (doing the work of faith) the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. (doing the work of faith) The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: (doing the work of faith) the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: (doing the work of faith) and in keeping of them there is great reward. (doing the work of faith) Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

The word sabbath is not a time sensitive word it is used that way as a shadow in ceremonies. . . a picture of the gospel of faith. The 7th day sabbath was replaced with the new era of shadows or sabbaths the first day, the day he said let there be children of light .
 
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There is much to discuss . we can get back the the fasting Sabbath .

Thanks for the reply. I would agree the scripture informs us there must be heresies as differences of opinions, heresy, meaning sect or denomination .The first denomination mentioned of this side of the 1st century reformation or cross is called the Nazarene sect or the Way.

Because we are lovingly commanded to seek the approval of God not seen. Differences in opinion called heresies, our private interpretation of what we think God is teaching are welcome as long as they do not deny the fullness of Christ's grace.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction

Some teach we receive a unknown remnant of grace . And only what they call the queen of heaven received the fullness. And therefore a person must work to suffer to add to the unknown remnant for a unknown period of time and continue to work even after taking their last breath .



Yes he came to establish it by the law of faith, Christ’s labor of love .

The law of faith (the unseen eternal) working together with the letter of the law “death” (scripture as it is written ) It provides one new perfect law. Separate it provides nothing. The flesh alone profits nothing.

In that way it’s a picture of the unseen Holy Father working with the Son of man Jesus seen. No father no son. No son no father.

Romans 3:30-31 King James Version (KJV)Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

By and through the unseen

Above circumcision is another ceremonial law a shadow as a temporal sign to the world a shadow used to preach the gospel . There we are informed the work of faith the unseen by and through it .The power of faith

That ceremonial law is like the 4th law or called a commandment as shadow of the unseen work of faith set aside for one day a person could offer the true fast (Isaiah 58) It along with prayer can cast out lying spirits, That is if Christ applies it (the gospel) to their heart .

But that is not our rest we receive today when we do not harden our own hearts. . . even that is a shadow of the eternal rest we will receive in our new incorruptible bodies . then the burden will be taken away and not made lighter being yoked with Him who works in us. giving a a living future hope.

This is when the letter of the law death will be tossed into the fiery judgment of God never to rise and condemn through corruption a entire creation .

There simply is no sign we can give as self-edifying or absolute evidence we have the born again of Spirit of Christ. We walk by faith the unseen.

Again two laws working together as one new and perfect. The letter death and the law of faith the unseen work working together as the peace of God giving us his understanding..

A perfect example in the Psalms. Working to both to will and to do the good pleasure of God.

Note. . (purple in parentheses) by added comment

Psalms 19:&-12 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul(doing the work of faith the labor of His love) : the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple(doing the work of faith ).The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: (doing the work of faith) the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. (doing the work of faith) The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: (doing the work of faith) the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: (doing the work of faith) and in keeping of them there is great reward. (doing the work of faith) Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.

The word sabbath is not a time sensitive word it is used that way as a shadow in ceremonies. . . a picture of the gospel of faith. The 7th day sabbath was replaced with the new era of shadows or sabbaths the first day, the day he said let there be children of light .

Thanks the the reply.

The 4th commandment is not a ceremonial law. Just think about it for a moment. God is our creator right? He is the one who chooses the day of worship right? He only deemed ONE DAY HOLY in the entire Bible and He wrote it with His hand and specified the seventh day that is a TIME. It's the day Jesus kept Holy. It's the day the disciples kept Holy. Mary wouldn't even visit the grave of Jesus on Sabbath because of the COMMADMENT. Luke 23:56 (clearly not ceremonial)

Satan wants to be God and does everything he can to make a counterfeit to what God has commanded of us. This includes the day of worship. It's not a crazy stretch to connect the two. God created the earth in 6 days and set aside the SEVENTH DAY from creation as HIS HOLY DAY. The church (NOT GOD) admits they changed the day to Sunday by no Biblical authority.

Even the argument about circumcision is flawed as that was a ceremonial law, like the feasts (yearly sabbaths, not weekly) and blood sacrifice-all ceremonial law, note what is important as stated many times throughout the Bible.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

I am sorry friend, I just don't understand how it can be anymore clearer than this. God made 10 commandments. It seems the only commandment most people has an issue with is the 4th commandment GOD'S HOLY DAY and that's the one that starts with REMEMBER.

God Bless
 
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Thanks the the reply.

The 4th commandment is not a ceremonial law. Just think about it for a moment. God is our creator right? He is the one who chooses the day of worship right? He only deemed ONE DAY HOLY in the entire Bible and He wrote it with His hand and specified the seventh day that is a TIME. It's the day Jesus kept Holy. It's the day the disciples kept Holy. Mary wouldn't even visit the grave of Jesus on Sabbath because of the COMMADMENT. Luke 23:56 (clearly not ceremonial)

Satan wants to be God and does everything he can to make a counterfeit to what God has commanded of us. This includes the day of worship. It's not a crazy stretch to connect the two. God created the earth in 6 days and set aside the SEVENTH DAY from creation as HIS HOLY DAY. The church (NOT GOD) admits they changed the day to Sunday by no Biblical authority.

Even the argument about circumcision is flawed as that was a ceremonial law, like the feasts (yearly sabbaths, not weekly) and blood sacrifice-all ceremonial law, note what is important as stated many times throughout the Bible.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

I am sorry friend, I just don't understand how it can be anymore clearer than this. God made 10 commandments. It seems the only commandment most people has an issue with is the 4th commandment GOD'S HOLY DAY and that's the one that starts with REMEMBER.

God Bless

Thanks again for the reply.

One day under the Sun does not have more value than another. His rest does not have more value that let it be and it was good.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I would offer to begin with all of God's word make up the commandment of God as a way of revealing his will to men,( flesh and blood) . Not one word is offered as a suggestion or theory .

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. is a law not subject to change . Or at the end of the book of law; do not add or subtract from the whole is another.

Like for instance another 2 Timothy 2:15 by which we can seek the approval of God not seen. . as not time sensitive.. with the exception of under the sun not one jot or tittle can be removed .

The living abiding word of God is not a philosophical theory of men every word must be obeyed as His Spirit works in us to both will(reveal) and empower us to perform it.

2 Timothy 2:15 [Full Chapter Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We can not number the laws of God. In that way we are warned not to be of the number which limits the ability of God to an oral tradition of men. Some have attached the number 613 making that the limit .

The Law of God is love. His gospel is peace or rest (sabbath)

The ten commandments is a representation of the whole.

He has set aside a few to be used in ceremonies to represent the gospel to the world. This not a sign to themselves that they perform as self edifying. . The gospel is not the works of the flesh the temporal seen.

I would offer. We are not justified by what we do but the invisible power that works in these bodies of death yoked with Christ we have our daily sabbath if we do not harden our hearts and exclude him form the work he works in us .(not mixing the power of the gospel )

In that way there is not such thing as a outward sign gift as evidence a person has the born again Spirit of Christ .(Charismatic)

That is what the faithless Jews chased after signs as wonders in a hope it would confirm they were children of God. .

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

No sign was given.

In those ceremonial law or shadows of the good things to come (the eternal). Those shadows spoke beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that followed .The opening of the grave of the born again old tesetemmt saints the being of the first ressurection opening the gates by which today men enter when absent form these bodies of death.

They as us received the end of their born again faith the work of Christ working in them just as us today .We look back at the demonstration they looked ahead thorough the ceremonial laws, again that testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow..

1 Timothy 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


The rest ceremony the true fast with prayer was one day a week by which a person could do the good work of sharing the gospel. It was the kind of fast that could drive out demons as spirits of lies which the disciples could not cast out..
 
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Thanks again for the reply.

One day under the Sun does not have more value than another. His rest does not have more value that let it be and it was good.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I would offer to begin with all of God's word make up the commandment of God as a way of revealing his will to men,( flesh and blood) . Not one word is offered as a suggestion or theory .

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. is a law not subject to change . Or at the end of the book of law; do not add or subtract from the whole is another.

Like for instance another 2 Timothy 2:15 by which we can seek the approval of God not seen. . as not time sensitive.. with the exception of under the sun not one jot or tittle can be removed .

The living abiding word of God is not a philosophical theory of men every word must be obeyed as His Spirit works in us to both will(reveal) and empower us to perform it.

2 Timothy 2:15 [Full Chapter Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

We can not number the laws of God. In that way we are warned not to be of the number which limits the ability of God to an oral tradition of men. Some have attached the number 613 making that the limit .

The Law of God is love. His gospel is peace or rest (sabbath)

The ten commandments is a representation of the whole.

He has set aside a few to be used in ceremonies to represent the gospel to the world. This not a sign to themselves that they perform as self edifying. . The gospel is not the works of the flesh the temporal seen.

I would offer. We are not justified by what we do but the invisible power that works in these bodies of death yoked with Christ we have our daily sabbath if we do not harden our hearts and exclude him form the work he works in us .(not mixing the power of the gospel )

In that way there is not such thing as a outward sign gift as evidence a person has the born again Spirit of Christ .(Charismatic)

That is what the faithless Jews chased after signs as wonders in a hope it would confirm they were children of God. .

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

No sign was given.

In those ceremonial law or shadows of the good things to come (the eternal). Those shadows spoke beforehand of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that followed .The opening of the grave of the born again old tesetemmt saints the being of the first ressurection opening the gates by which today men enter when absent form these bodies of death.

They as us received the end of their born again faith the work of Christ working in them just as us today .We look back at the demonstration they looked ahead thorough the ceremonial laws, again that testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow..

1 Timothy 1:9-11 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


The rest ceremony the true fast with prayer was one day a week by which a person could do the good work of sharing the gospel. It was the kind of fast that could drive out demons as spirits of lies which the disciples could not cast out..

Hi garee,

Romans 14:5 is not talking about about GOD'S HOLY SABBATH DAY. Paul is referring the the ceremonial laws and holidays and if you keep reading this scripture Paul is making it clear he is referring to drinks and food. NOTHING about God's 10 commandments which we are already told are eternal Psalms 119:160. Unless you think our God contradicts Himself, God made it clear from the beginning Genesis 2:3 the seventh day is different than all the other days. Therefore, you need to re-read Romans 14:5 to have a greater understanding of what Paul is saying.

God is love I agree, but the way we show God love according to JESUS:

1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

I would also offer, the Holy Spirit helps us keep the laws of God, not break them, including HIS HOLY SABBATH DAY!

John 14
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
John 14:26, John 7:17, John 8:31-32,

There is ONLY one day God Blessed, made HOLY, Sanctified, asked us to rest and REMEMBER. He never said this about any other day because the seventh day SABBATH is His Holy day. Please provide scripture He made any other day Holy.
Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. (Please read this carefully, can you honestly say God did not separate the seventh day from the other days?)

I am not sure our conversations are going to be fruitful as Gods eternal commandments can not be changed. There is such Blessings you receive when keeping the laws of God. I hope one day you can hear the words written so purely and plainly for all of us.

God Bless!
 
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And How does your temple school change that fact that the Sabbath was instituted as a memorial to creation?

Israel, nor Judaism never taught it was a memorial to creation. It is simply the day God rested from making things. He still creates today. Teaching it is a memorial to creation is a novel teaching of modern humans only.
 
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Israel, nor Judaism never taught it was a memorial to creation. It is simply the day God rested from making things. He still creates today. Teaching it is a memorial to creation is a novel teaching of modern humans only.

Totally ridiculous. It says why it was made sacred.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
 
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Totally ridiculous. It says why it was made sacred.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


None of your proof texts friend says it is a memorial to creation.

Jewish History clearly refutes your modern hearsay friend.
SHABBAT - JewishEncyclopedia.com
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/71e1/21469a5e686827c910181ffd47a28de78fac.pdf

" It also discusses the relationship between the concept of rest offered by the first creation account and the concept of rest in the understanding of the Ancient Near East and Israel."
The Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 in the light of the first creation account | Semantic Scholar

All of Jewish history points to God resting, not the worship of the creation itself. I do not think you avocate idol worship.
 
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Hi thanks. I watched most of it.

I have a different format for what I would call hearing Gods understanding a labor of His love to us.

One thing is to not look to wonders or marveling that can cause doubt as in unbelief. (No faith as yes or no.)

Like for instance with Nicodemus, that it seems he did look to wonders marveling . It seemed popular for the unbelieving Jew to look to signs as wonders or signs with wonders and not the gospel, as it is written.

Jesus in effect to the greatest possible miracle lovingly commanding Nicodemus to marvel not but rather believe, or exercise the faith that comes from hearing God not seen.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

When asked of the disciples when? Revealed in Mathew 24. Jesus refused to give that information but informed them things would be going on as business as usual until the last day , as signs of the times. Not something to wonder about but rather observe. He also warned them not to seek after signs to wonder by .The last was fulfilled. The sign of Jonas and Jesus working, a picture of the gospel. Three days and nights .

Evil generation below no faith coming from God. Natural unconverted mankind (666)

Luke 11:29And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation.

I believe it would include the sign representing the mark as a literal mark . The mark is the mark of His word. prophecy .His word as a mark will come to pass .

Cain the restless wander recognizing the punishments of no rest (sabbath) from the gospel unlike his brother Abel the first recorded martyr. Was a punishment that only those yoked with Christ could do have a living hope of a incorruptible body new body making our sufferings lighter. .

Genisis 4:13-15 And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

Again mark my living word it is law and not a theosophical theory. It will come to pass.

Cain saw no value in the things of faith the unseen eternal like that of Esau who sold his birth rite for a cup of goat soup .

So then it is not buying and selling the things of this world .But is to buy the gospel truth and sell sell it short .The mark of His word.

Proverbs 23:23 Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.

Electronics seem to be the new god to those who refuse God gives the intellect to make progress . It has become what's your experience as a wonder ? A out of the body (spirits bringing in to ones fleshly mind things to wonder about as experiences ? ) Rather than. . as it is written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

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What's a Temple School ? One that opposes temples made with human hands or supports they must be made with human hands?

There are two forms of Temple School.
One is like Private Christian Schooling.
The other is School after Public School on the same days.

Thanks for asking friend,
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None of your proof texts friend says it is a memorial to creation.

Jewish History clearly refutes your modern hearsay friend.
SHABBAT - JewishEncyclopedia.com
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/71e1/21469a5e686827c910181ffd47a28de78fac.pdf

" It also discusses the relationship between the concept of rest offered by the first creation account and the concept of rest in the understanding of the Ancient Near East and Israel."
The Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 in the light of the first creation account | Semantic Scholar

All of Jewish history points to God resting, not the worship of the creation itself. I do not think you avocate idol worship.


Then you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is," "wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
"Because"---
That is what those 2 words mean. You are, of course, free to believe whatever you want.

"The Jewish Sabbath (from Hebrew shavat, “to rest”) is observed throughout the year on the seventh day of the week—Saturday. According to biblical tradition, it commemorates the original seventh day on which God rested after completing the creation."
Judaism - The Sabbath

 
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Yah, we have daily worship every morning and every night---and? Nothing to do with 7th day worship commanded by God.


Interesting that you feel that worship of God is a laughable thing---God may have a different reaction.
 
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None of your proof texts friend says it is a memorial to creation.

Jewish History clearly refutes your modern hearsay friend.
SHABBAT - JewishEncyclopedia.com
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/71e1/21469a5e686827c910181ffd47a28de78fac.pdf

" It also discusses the relationship between the concept of rest offered by the first creation account and the concept of rest in the understanding of the Ancient Near East and Israel."
The Sabbath commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 in the light of the first creation account | Semantic Scholar

All of Jewish history points to God resting, not the worship of the creation itself. I do not think you avocate idol worship.

This seems pretty clear to me:

Exodus 20:8-11
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

This doesn't say God should rest, God does not need to rest, this commandment was meant for us to keep His seventh day Holy, just like it reads.

Isaiah 55:13
If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

God Bless
 
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Then you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is," "wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."
"Because"---
That is what those 2 words mean. You are, of course, free to believe whatever you want.

"The Jewish Sabbath (from Hebrew shavat, “to rest”) is observed throughout the year on the seventh day of the week—Saturday. According to biblical tradition, it commemorates the original seventh day on which God rested after completing the creation."
Judaism - The Sabbath
Hallow is to set aside for a certain purpose. The sabbath a non time senititive word is set aside as a shadow or the new heavens and earth. the perfect continual rest


The shadow or temporal is a day set aside when a person can work to get the gospel out into the word.. When the Son on man came he introduced the new era of shadows from the last day to the first.

Again the word sabbath means rest as non senititive, .Evetime we hear his voice and do not harden ones heart we have entered that temporal rest . We we would harden our hearts our temporal burden will not be made lighter as yoked with Christ..

The Youngs literal defines that rest properly. It does not limit it to the 7th day as the day we can do the good work of getting the gospel out.


Matthew 28 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,


Matthew 28 King James Version (KJV)
28 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre

Its first of the new era of sabbaths (plural). The word week was not even used in the
Greek during the time it was inspired.

If it was used in the first part of the verse it would apply to the second

The word week destroys the word rest a non time
sensitive word .
 
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