The Law Of Liberty

pdudgeon said:

The law has not been done away with. Christ fulfilled the letter of the law. He did not do away with it.

Christ came to save us, but also to show us how to live within the law, and why we should do so.
If that were not true, He would never have confronted the Sadducees, the Pharisees, or tossed the merchants out of the Temple.

Without the Law, there is anarchy, and sin abounds.

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There are conflicting statements in your post.
You begin by saying, "The law has not been done away with", and end by saying, "Without the Law, there is anarchy, and sin abounds."

Probably because you define Christ's fulfillment of the Law as his supposed obedience to it. When in fact Christ fulfilled the Law (the books of the Law) by fulfilling the prophecies about himself.

Here is what Jesus said, after his resurrection, about his statements in Matthew chapter five. Compare Matthew 5:17 (why is the word Prophets found there? Refers to the books.)

Luke 24:44
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”

Michael Collum said:

That's what the law of liberty is about, James wrote about this law of liberty stating that those who judge without mercy will be judged without mercy, and mercy triumphs in judgment.

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Spot on.

James 2:12-13
Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

Saint Steven said:

Spot on.

James 2:12-13
Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

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To Echo.

You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God will repay each person according to what they have done.

(Romans 2:1-6)

Minister Monardo said:

James 2:12. So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

Any teaching by Jesus Christ or His apostles that would pertain to a right comprehension of the idea
that we will be judged by the law of liberty.
For example:
Matthew 7:
1 Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use,
it will be measured back to you.

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I believe the gospel is the law of liberty and that the two references to liberty indicate that James had some knowledge of grace doctrine.

The parable of the ungrateful servant is a good example of someone receiving grace but then being unforgiving and being punished.

Michael Collum said:

The parable of the ungrateful servant is a good example of someone receiving grace but then being unforgiving and being punished.

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That a favorite of yours?

RickReads said:

That a favorite of yours?

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More like a golden apple for a silver picture.

Minister Monardo said:

It is the Gospel as it pertains to judgment. I gave Matthew 7:1 as an example. There are others.
As James says, "judged by the perfect law of liberty".

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I think a hard judge not stance fails to reconcile other things the Bible says. I believe the judge not doctrine pertains mostly to brethren. Though, it is certainly safer to judge not.

Michael Collum said:

More like a golden apple for a silver picture.

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That`s an interesting expression.

RickReads said:

That`s an interesting expression.

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Proverb 25:11

Around the same time and everything.

Minister Monardo said:

Proverbs 25:11.

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The echo in here is killin me man.

People are addicted to judging and blaming one another - it's been a habit since the fall, so theologies that look for excuses to continue this behavior are inevitable.