Trump pursues litigation to overturn election results

TheBear said:

We are not a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. The founders intentionally set it up that way to prevent mob rule and a tyranny of the majority. Thus, the Electoral College.

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I dont care if we "are a democracy".... so long as we DO democracy in terms of choosing our leaders and expressing consent of the governed via democratic processes.

Douggg said:

And some people think that Biden has some aging mental deterioration. And that there was a plan along behind the scenes of getting a woman to be presidency, since the Hillary direct attempt failed.

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Does it really do that, though?

Like, generally speaking, the person who gets the most votes in this country wins. In 53 of the 58 elections we've had, the person who won the popular vote won the Presidency. We've only had 5 times, in our entire history, where the majority haven't gotten their way in a Presidential election. So if the objective was to keep the majority from ruling over the minority, then it feels like it's done a poor job of that.

And the question has to be asked, how far do we take that maxim? If we run into a case, far down the line, where a candidate gets, like 70% or higher of the popular vote and still loses, would that not be taking things a little too far?

civilwarbuff said:

And how many times have the dems done the same?

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To stop election protection? None that I remember. Happy to see some evidence to the contrary however. Please spare yourself the time of posting voting ID laws however.

Neogaia777 said:

that's what Donald Trump took away from us, all of our human dignity and decency, and human integrity and respect...

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He supported the dignity & decency of pre-born human babies (human rights from conception)

Erik Nelson said:

He supported the dignity & decency of pre-born human babies (human rights from conception)

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When you have to make up self contradictory terms to support your position it might be problematic. A baby is, by definition, born.

civilwarbuff said:

And how many times have the dems done the same?

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How many times?

Erik Nelson said:

He supported the dignity & decency of pre-born human babies (human rights from conception)

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Just not after conception.

GOD Shines Forth! said:

That's another reason pointing to fraud. It makes no sense for conservatives to help "nearly all other Republicans" and bizarrely vote against Trump. Not with the demonstrable support he was getting. My guess is the fraudsters decided to go all out on Trump, the figurehead of Swamp Destruction, Inc.

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Makes sense to me. Can't tell you the number of Republicans that I know that did not vote for Trump. Some of them didn't even vote for their own party for a few offices.

For many of the old conservative Republicans, Trump was the worst.

Kentonio said:

To stop election protection? None that I remember. Happy to see some evidence to the contrary however. Please spare yourself the time of posting voting ID laws however.

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I don't think you have enough fingers and toes to count all the times the dems majority snuffed out legislation in committee submitted by repubs......but you already knew that, didn't you?

GOD Shines Forth! said:

That's another reason pointing to fraud. It makes no sense for conservatives to help "nearly all other Republicans" and bizarrely vote against Trump.

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The Lincoln Project says hi.

RDKirk said:

How many times?

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Dunno, but I bet you would have to count on the fingers and toes of thousands of people to even come close.....

TheBear said:

I was replying to the notion that there was a massive anti-Trump mandate in the votes.

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The last guy to win the election with this margin called it a landslide and the biggest EC win in a generation - and he didn't even win the popular vote. He wouldn't lie, would he?

civilwarbuff said:

Dunno, but I bet you would have to count on the fingers and toes of thousands of people to even come close.....

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You're making the claim, so come up with ten. It only takes Google.

mukk_in said:

If anyone can return the electoral system to what it's supposed to be from the current fraud ridden systems, it's Trump, sir. I doubt if he'll wash the tainted system clean in two months, but future Republicans should benefit, IMO.

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The GOP had 4 years to do so, but blocked all proposed bills because Democrat.
Senate GOP blocks three election security bills

Sounds like Sedition to me.

civilwarbuff said:

I don't think you have enough fingers and toes to count all the times the dems majority snuffed out legislation in committee submitted by repubs......but you already knew that, didn't you?

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Legislation that wasn’t related to election security? I certainly hope so. What I’m waiting for you to provide though is legislation related to electoral security that Dems supposedly prevented.

civilwarbuff said:

I don't think you have enough fingers and toes to count all the times the dems majority snuffed out legislation in committee submitted by repubs......but you already knew that, didn't you?

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Great, no issue. The issue here is, the committee refused to even hear these bills -- as was a common tactic in McConnell's Senate. If Republicans had actually brought the bills the House passed in committee, and then voted them down, then I might have more respect. Ideally, they would have considered the bills, amended them to remove or change the things they didn't like and add things they wanted covered. Then, they could have passed the amended bill and worked with the House for a final law that would be satisfactory for both sides. But, no, they were refusing to even hear these bills at all, even just a committee vote to not hear or debate the bill.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

We all ready had enough crap from Trump. Why should we have to deal with more of his nightmare.

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Oh i think the left needs a thorn in their side, i mean if they are going to bring socialism or some-other new forum of government upon the american public. At least they need a little obstruction, most of the republicans now are so languid they, can not even wipe their own behinds.

RDKirk said:

You're making the claim, so come up with ten. It only takes Google.

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Not sure google goes back that far when dems controlled the Senate but here are a few recent examples....
Coronavirus stimulus : Senate Democrats block GOP COVID-19 bill
Senate Democrats block GOP police reform bill, throwing overhaul effort into flux - CNNPolitics
Guess it is one of those democrat things where nothing is better than something.....

Sparagmos said:

Yeah, why should we care about thousands of unmasked people gathering in the height of COVID?

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I don’t do Covid fear, sell it to someone else.