Will Trump Be Vindicated Now That There Is A Vaccine

Gifts From Above said:

Oh brother stop splitting hairs. You know what this thread is about.

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So no evidence then. Got it.

Trump wouldn't be intelligent enough to create a virus, but he's certainly been responsible due to his willful lack of responsibility, negligence, and leadership ineptness for helping to spread the virus.

Gifts From Above said:

Actually they did and the evidence of that can be found all over these forums.

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Please present it then.

No one I know blames Trump directly for the virus itself, unlike the conspiracies we see from the right that it was all a Democrat “plandemic” to ruin Trump’s re-election.

What he does get blamed for is his abysmal leadership throughout the pandemic. Undermining public health officials, countering the work of the governors and state and local governments and encouraging places to open up prematurely, suggesting the numbers are being inflated by doctors to make more money for themselves, suggesting nurses and hospitals were lying about the amount of PPE they had, pitting the states against each other in bidding wars for vital supplies, giving the nation a false hope that it would all magically disappear one day, not even doing the most basic things like setting an example and wearing a damn mask when he needs to... I could go on and on. None of this is necessarily related to the virus itself. It’s Trump’s terrible leadership we are rightly critical of and you should be too.

Gifts From Above said:

The liberals have been blaming Donald Trump for the virus even though what has happened was out of his control. Trump launched Operation Warp Speed to combat the virus. Now that a vaccine has been found will the liberals back off and stop blaming Donald Trump for the virus?

Fact Sheet: Explaining Operation Warp Speed

Pfizer says COVID-19 vaccine is looking 90% effective

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Oy vey! This is reminding me the way the popular media pumped up the fear factor on the virus until the NBA cancelled their season. Then suddenly the media was showing "Facts over fear" segments because they suddenly had lost a major source of revenue. I find it incredibly convenient timing that the AP carries this story a few days after the election results are finalized. These studies have been going on for two months now. Now the "terrible Trump" vaccine program that would yield a poorly tested health menace rather than an end to this pandemic is suddenly viewed in a favorable light and statistics are suddenly available to try to convince the people to actually take the vaccine. It doesn't take a genius to see this change in attitude and infer the reason why.

Bobber said:

And I suppose will continue to do so if he thinks he has valid reasons. And by the way didn't Hillary Clinton tell Mr Biden NOT TO concede defeat for any reason? What did she mean by that? Wouldn't it have to mean that you exhaust EVERY LEGAL possibility even up to the Supreme Court to decide the election. What else could it mean?

Hillary Clinton: Biden 'should not concede under any circumstances'

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Yes, how very strange... What DID she mean by that? If only there was some way to find out... Oh, wait, there is... By reading the whole quote.

“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually, I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is. I think that they [Republicans] have a couple of scenarios that they are looking toward. One is messing up absentee balloting. They believe that helps them so that they then get maybe a narrow advantage in the Electoral College on Election Day so we've got to have a massive legal operation, and I know the Biden campaign is working on that."

So apparently she said that he shouldn’t concede until every vote is counted and then pursue the matter through the law and courts should they need to due to litigation from the other side.

I mean, counting every vote and then actively participate in resolving the matter through legal channels a radical idea I know, but it is what one typically does during elections.

Gifts From Above said:

Actually they did and the evidence of that can be found all over these forums.

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Would you point me to an exmple. I don't recall any, but I may have overlooked them. Your assistance would be appreciated.

Gifts From Above said:

Are you blind. Right here in this thread. Everyone is blaming Trump for the virus and how he handled it. It’s all over these forums.

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No, he's not being blamed for the virus, just for how he handled it.

Gifts From Above said:

Are you blind. Right here in this thread. Everyone is blaming Trump for the virus and how he handled it. It’s all over these forums.

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Why wouldn’t he be blamed for such terrible and ineffective leadership? We are literally doing the worst of any country in the developed world with regards to handling the pandemic.

Yes, people on this forum have been extremely critical of how Trump handled the virus. For very good reason, IMO.

The promising news of the Pfizer vaccines does not change that. Especially since it seems that its development had nothing to do with the Trump admin.

If your house is starting to fill with smoke, and you stand around doing nothing to stop it from catching on fire, you don't get to say "See, I handled it!" when your neighbor calls the fire department and they put the fire out after half the house has burned down.

Gifts From Above said:

Ok that’s basically what this thread was about but maybe I didn’t make that clear enough.

If you want to be annoying go ahead.

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Saying “he’s being blamed for the virus” is entirely different from saying he’s being blamed for bad leadership. These are two completely different things.

Gifts From Above said:

Are you blind. Right here in this thread. Everyone is blaming Trump for the virus and how he handled it. It’s all over these forums.

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No they are blaming Trump for the way he handled the virus, not for the virus itself.
Those are two quite separate things: the virus, its origin and behaviour; the way of dealing with the virus. Two distinct things. Trump has nothing to do with the former and a great deal - in terms of the US - with the latter.
Lot's of members have been blaming Trump for his handling of the virus, but not for the virus itself. I can certainly imagine that some deranged, or ill-informed person might claim he was to blame for the virus, but I haven't seen an example. I am asking you to point me directly to one.

Gifts From Above said:

The liberals have been blaming Donald Trump for the virus even though what has happened was out of his control. Trump launched Operation Warp Speed to combat the virus. Now that a vaccine has been found will the liberals back off and stop blaming Donald Trump for the virus and his handling of it?

Fact Sheet: Explaining Operation Warp Speed

Pfizer says COVID-19 vaccine is looking 90% effective

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The healthcare industry backed Joe Biden. PhD scientists are more likely to be Democrats. They developed vaccines, like Fauci did. Trump said he was going to fire Fauci. We fired Trump.
Democrats now more educated than Republicans, Pew survey finds

Trump supporters were more likely to not wear face masks and try for herd immunity. Trump should not get any credit for someone else’s work.

If anyone has any doubt as to how poorly this administration has handled the pandemic under Trump’s leadership please watch this recap of nearly every misstep Trump has made since the very beginning. It’s both funny and incredibly depressing at the same time.

Gifts From Above said:

Ok that’s basically what this thread was about but maybe I didn’t make that clear enough.

If you want to be annoying go ahead.

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Okay, so no , he won't be "vindicated" by the speedy development of the vaccine. If his efforts contributed to it, he should get some credit, but it won't "vindicate" him of his overall bad handling of the pandemic.