Can I Stop Intrusive Thoughts? OCD Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit

Mari17 · Dec 29, 2017

William3 said:
Guys I don't think y'all understand. I don't think what happened was OCD. I think I willingly thought one of those thoughts half hazardedly. I know you can call me a moron. I agree with you. I've just always grown up with this idea of "eternal security" so I thought I was invincible. I thought the thought I'm afraid. Honestly I don't remember the exact thought. It could be something diffrent, but I'm afraid it was the unpardonable sin. I can't remember anything anymore and I'm only 17. What I'm saying is I don't think this thought was OCD related at all. I thought it not really meaning it. Just thinking it to think it. I didn't do it to slander God at all. That was not my intent. It was a dumb thought that I had, and instantly regretted and have regretted ever since.

The language you are using - "I might have," "half-heartedly," "I'm afraid," etc. - all sounds very much like OCD to me. Still, OCD never wants us to be sure, so it will always come up with arguments about why it isn't OCD. That's why with OCD, instead of trying to reason away our fears, we often have to pretend to agree with them. "Yes, maybe I did commit the unpardonable sin. But I'm still going to choose to live the rest of my life for God." Now, understand that does not mean I think you did commit the unpardonable sin. But with OCD, often reverse psychology like that is the most effective, because the more we try to argue against our obsessions, the stronger they become. Personally, I think you are over-analyzing the thought that you had - another thing those of us with OCD tend to do. But, think about it in this way - even if you think you did commit the unpardonable sin, what is your choice now? You can choose to live like you did commit it, or you can ask forgiveness for past sins and choose to move forward and follow God, trusting that He will have mercy on you. I would definitely learn more about treating OCD (using CBT/ERP therapy) and/or getting a therapist, if you haven't already. Here are a couple of good resources to start you off:
ocdandchristianity.com/ (Check out the blog posts about the unpardonable sin!)
Welcome

1am3laine · Dec 30, 2017

William3 said:
Guys I don't think y'all understand. I don't think what happened was OCD. I think I willingly thought one of those thoughts half hazardedly. I know you can call me a moron. I agree with you. I've just always grown up with this idea of "eternal security" so I thought I was invincible. I thought the thought I'm afraid. Honestly I don't remember the exact thought. It could be something diffrent, but I'm afraid it was the unpardonable sin. I can't remember anything anymore and I'm only 17. What I'm saying is I don't think this thought was OCD related at all. I thought it not really meaning it. Just thinking it to think it. I didn't do it to slander God at all. That was not my intent. It was a dumb thought that I had, and instantly regretted and have regretted ever since.

@William3 satan can confuse you into thinking you did the unpardonable sin. All I can do is tell you to pray and see if the thoughts leave. If they do, then you realize you haven't blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

With those types of thoughts it takes MASSIVE prayer, fasting, and getting hands laid on you by Holy Spirit filled people because the stakes are SOOO HIGH.
(Matthew 17:21, Mark 16:17-18)

To be the highest level christian you have to go through the highest level pain which is these type of thoughts.

Mari17 · Dec 30, 2017

1am3laine said:
@William3 satan can confuse you into thinking you did the unpardonable sin. All I can do is tell you to pray and see if the thoughts leave. If they do, then you realize you haven't blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

With those types of thoughts it takes MASSIVE prayer, fasting, and getting hands laid on you by Holy Spirit filled people because the stakes are SOOO HIGH.
(Matthew 17:21, Mark 16:17-18)

To be the highest level christian you have to go through the highest level pain which is these type of thoughts.

But if the thoughts don't leave, it doesn't necessarily mean that you have committed the unpardonable sin. Because with OCD, the thoughts don't usually disappear that easily.

Frenchfryman · Jan 9, 2020

Ever since discovering the "unpardonable sin" I have been struggling with scrupulosity. It started years ago when I really was convinced that I have done it in the past. I have since been on a long journey and realised I haven't committed anything unpardonable. As mentioned it takes a willful (lifelong) rejection of the Holy Spirit's work's. That is where the problem lies for me today. I have experienced the mighty working power of the Holy Spirit in my life. At times things in God's Word opened up to me and He led me to know more of Him. I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit numerous times where I was in tears and have been baptised through Him. Every time I sinned I have been drawn back to Jesus through the Spirit. However recently I have been struck with an OCD related thought and accompanying feeling of doubt that the Holy Spirit doesn't exist. When I do not want it this feeling overtakes me and tells me there is no God and no Spirit. My mind would tell me that my experiences with Him was all in my head. I cannot seem to control it and it really comes in overwhelmingly strong. I then will go into prayer trying to remember my experiences and would feel convinced for a few minutes He is there. Only to be struck with the thought or feeling again. It makes me feel that I have really committed the unpardonable sin this time by rejecting the Holy Spirit. It drives me up the wall and I constantly look for signs again of His existence feeling the need to confess in prayer that I believe in him and that He please should not depart from me. I really need help as I cannot do this on my own. I am scared to go to a church councilor cause they do not always know what OCD is and might shake me around trying to cast out demons.

Mari17 · Jan 11, 2020

Frenchfryman said:
Ever since discovering the "unpardonable sin" I have been struggling with scrupulosity. It started years ago when I really was convinced that I have done it in the past. I have since been on a long journey and realised I haven't committed anything unpardonable. As mentioned it takes a willful (lifelong) rejection of the Holy Spirit's work's. That is where the problem lies for me today. I have experienced the mighty working power of the Holy Spirit in my life. At times things in God's Word opened up to me and He led me to know more of Him. I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit numerous times where I was in tears and have been baptised through Him. Every time I sinned I have been drawn back to Jesus through the Spirit. However recently I have been struck with an OCD related thought and accompanying feeling of doubt that the Holy Spirit doesn't exist. When I do not want it this feeling overtakes me and tells me there is no God and no Spirit. My mind would tell me that my experiences with Him was all in my head. I cannot seem to control it and it really comes in overwhelmingly strong. I then will go into prayer trying to remember my experiences and would feel convinced for a few minutes He is there. Only to be struck with the thought or feeling again. It makes me feel that I have really committed the unpardonable sin this time by rejecting the Holy Spirit. It drives me up the wall and I constantly look for signs again of His existence feeling the need to confess in prayer that I believe in him and that He please should not depart from me. I really need help as I cannot do this on my own. I am scared to go to a church councilor cause they do not always know what OCD is and might shake me around trying to cast out demons.

It sounds like your OCD is just taking another form - which it likes to do! I agree that it's good to be cautious of people who might try to treat OCD as a spiritual problem. In my understanding, OCD stems from a chemical imbalance in our brains, which causes us to be extra anxious and to "search" for good things to be worried about.

I think it's important to identify your compulsions - the things the OCD makes you do to relieve the anxiety, such as looking for signs of His existence and confessing that you believe in Him - and work on not doing those things, since giving in to the OCD usually makes us stay stuck in the obsessive cycle longer. Do you know much about treating OCD? I can provide links to resources if you'd like. One of my favorite sites for religious obsessions is OCD & CHRISTIANITY – CHRISTIANITY.

Matthew Parsons · Nov 5, 2020

Ok im like 14 years late lol, but im struggling with these thoughts too.

Mari17 · Nov 7, 2020

Matthew Parsons said:
Ok im like 14 years late lol, but im struggling with these thoughts too.

Do you have any support/help for these struggles? It sounds like perhaps you have OCD or scrupulosity (religious OCD)?

SnowTiger · Nov 7, 2020

I got blasphemous thoughts last night while I was reading the Bible. Now I'm also afraid that I committed unforgivable sin again. Is there still hope?

Thanks,

SnowTiger

Mari17 · Nov 8, 2020

SnowTiger said:
I got blasphemous thoughts last night while I was reading the Bible. Now I'm also afraid that I committed unforgivable sin again. Is there still hope?

Thanks,

SnowTiger

YES!!!!!

Have you heard of others who struggle with this obsession?

Matthew Parsons · Nov 9, 2020

SnowTiger said:
I got blasphemous thoughts last night while I was reading the Bible. Now I'm also afraid that I committed unforgivable sin again. Is there still hope?

Thanks,

SnowTiger

Matthew Parsons · Nov 9, 2020

Mari17 said:
Do you have any support/help for these struggles? It sounds like perhaps you have OCD or scrupulosity (religious OCD)?

I dont have any support yet, but im planning to get some soon

Mari17 · Nov 9, 2020

Matthew Parsons said:
I dont have any support yet, but im planning to get some soon

I'm so glad! What are some of the ways you can practice standing up to the OCD now?

Matthew Parsons · Nov 12, 2020

Mari17 said:
I'm so glad! What are some of the ways you can practice standing up to the OCD now?

usually i just try to push those thoughts away by imagining a big box pushing them, its hard to explain but God has helped me so much.

Novis · Nov 12, 2020

SnowTiger said:
I got blasphemous thoughts last night while I was reading the Bible. Now I'm also afraid that I committed unforgivable sin again. Is there still hope?

Thanks,

SnowTiger

Remember:

Philippians 2:13 KJV "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

Which suggests that wanting to be forgiven means you're still influenced by God in some way.

Matthew Parsons · Nov 13, 2020

i agree

Mari17 · Nov 16, 2020

Matthew Parsons said:
usually i just try to push those thoughts away by imagining a big box pushing them, its hard to explain but God has helped me so much.

God does help us so much!

Pushing thoughts away can actually become a compulsion; something that you do to relieve the anxiety which actually makes the thoughts stronger over the long run. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case for you, just pointing it out. If you can learn all you can about OCD, and start applying the strategies you learn, I think that would be extremely helpful. I'd be willing to point you in the direction of a few good websites if you need a place to start!

Matthew Parsons · Dec 8, 2020

Mari17 said:
God does help us so much! Pushing thoughts away can actually become a compulsion; something that you do to relieve the anxiety which actually makes the thoughts stronger over the long run. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case for you, just pointing it out. If you can learn all you can about OCD, and start applying the strategies you learn, I think that would be extremely helpful. I'd be willing to point you in the direction of a few good websites if you need a place to start!

yeah, im trying to learn more, and ive been looking for people who struggle with them too.

Matthew Parsons · Dec 8, 2020

i want to know though, how are you doing lately? just want to check up

Mari17 · Dec 12, 2020

Matthew Parsons said:
yeah, im trying to learn more, and ive been looking for people who struggle with them too.

The website OCD & CHRISTIANITY – CHRISTIANITY is pretty good for scrupulosity issues, and Overcome OCD: Recovery tips for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder provides a good overview of treating OCD. The group "Christianity and Anxiety Disorders" at Facebook Groups is an online support group that has many people with OCD. I can also recommend other websites, if you're looking for something specific.

Matthew Parsons · Dec 15, 2020

Mari17 said:
The website OCD & CHRISTIANITY – CHRISTIANITY is pretty good for scrupulosity issues, and Overcome OCD: Recovery tips for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder provides a good overview of treating OCD. The group "Christianity and Anxiety Disorders" at Facebook Groups is an online support group that has many people with OCD. I can also recommend other websites, if you're looking for something specific.

thank you.

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