LDS Priesthoods Not Found In The Bible Or Church History
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He is the way
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It is talking about Godly power which is the priesthood. The Holy Ghost is not mentioned, but His power also comes from God.
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chad kincham
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That’s erroneous.
Believers in Jesus received DUNAMIS, (power) miracle working power when the Holy Spirit came upon them, Acts 1:8.
For example, Stephen, full of faith and POWER (Dunamis) did great miracles among the people, afterwards.
Your proof text says stay away from those with a form of Godliness, who deny the POWER (Dunamis, miracle working power) thereof.
It’s talking about churches that teach that spiritual gifts of healing and miracles ended with the last apostle, and they reject that the Dunamis power still exists today - it’s not about your LDS claimed priesthoods.
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chad kincham
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Here are some:
(New Testament | Mark 6:7)
7 ¶ And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;
(New Testament | Mark 6:12 - 13)
12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
(New Testament | Luke 6:13)
13 ¶ And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
(New Testament | Luke 9:1 - 2)
1 THEN he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(New Testament | John 15:16)
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:4)
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
(New Testament | Acts 8:18 - 19)
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
(New Testament | Galatians 1:1)
1 PAUL, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
(New Testament | Titus 1:5)
5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:
(New Testament | 1 Timothy 3:8 - 13)
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
(New Testament | Mark 1:44)
44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.
Nice try.
Jesus’ says all believers can do the same works He did, John 14:12.
Do your priests heal the sick, cast out demons, and have the Mark 16 signs that follow those who believe?
And the apostles were never levitical, Aaronic, or Melchizedek priests, either.
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I know what the Priesthoods are I am former LDS.
Priesthood (LDS Church) - Wikipedia
Priesthood (Latter Day Saints) - Wikipedia
Melchizedek priesthood (Latter Day Saints) - Wikipedia
Aaronic priesthood (Latter Day Saints) - Wikipedia
Priesthood
But that’s not what is in debate here.
I’m asking for proof that they are mentioned in the New Testament or ECF.
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Did you NOT read the part where the Holy Ghost can NOT be given without proper authority? Neither can any of God's ordinances be performed without the priesthood.
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No, I must have missed that part because I definitely didn’t read that anywhere.
Where are your quotes from the ECF?
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God alone directs the Holy Spirit!! The only thing we can do, is grieve it away by not listening to Him.
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If you know what the priesthood is, then you know there is a power that exists that is different from the power of the Holy Ghost.
Let me give you an example:
Matthew 16:18-20 King James Version (KJV)
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
This power that Jesus gave Peter was not the Holy Ghost. It was the priesthood keys of the kingdom of God power. Which if you have forgotten, is the power of God to do his work on earth. IOW in order for a man to baptize a person in the name of Jesus Christ and have heaven acknowledge this baptism, he has to have the keys of the kingdom of God, and the Holy Ghost. Not just the Holy Ghost, there is a difference between the keys of the kingdom of God power and the Holy Ghost.
Here is another example of that difference. Jesus gave Peter the keys of the kingdom of God (priesthood) so Peter could go out in the world with the authority of Jesus and backed up by heaven. Then later Peter was given the Holy Ghost, who is a messenger of God who told Peter and the other apostles where to go to preach the gospel, and opened the hearts of those they were preaching to. One power to know where to go to preach and open up hearts that would accept their preaching. Another power arms you with the authority to go out and do it, and what you do, heaven acknowledges it. A man cannot take upon himself the authority (priesthood) and just get up and go preach. He may work his heart out and bring many people to the knowledge of Christ, but when he goes to baptize, heaven will not accept his baptism, not having the authority (keys of the kingdom of God/priesthood) of Jesus to do it.
So if you think you know what the priesthood is, then Peter should be clear to you that his power and his royal priesthood is not on the earth accept through the apostles of the Lord in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The only church that even claims to have the priesthood of God (the Melchizedek priesthood).
1 Peter 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.
There was a change in this priesthood, not a doing away with the priesthood. That change was from Aaronic to Melchizadek priesthood. The chosen generation now had a royal priesthood that all men could hold, it made them a holy nation of priests, a peculair people to held the keys of the kingdom of God and had the authority to go out and preach Christ, and to baptize in his name.
You knew it once, get the sprit of it again.
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God directs the Spirit. We do not tell Him what to do, He tells us.
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That is exactly what Jesus told JS that Chirstians were engaged in. They denied the power (priesthood) of God.
You are a testament to that statement.
I have heard your reasoning before, but you ignore priesthood passages in the NT in order to continue your agenda. What do you think a royal priesthood is. as spoken of by Peter:
1 Peter 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
What is this royal priesthood of brotherhood of priests then, mentioned in the NT?
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There are no priesthood passages in the NT and you have not provided a single one. You believe this stuff because JS says so, not because the bible says so. This verse is speaking to all Christians---not a select few. We are all priests of God. This has been shown you timed and again and uyou refuse to see the plainly written truth even when you post it yourself.
"an holy nation, a peculiar people;"
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It is speaking of the Priesthood of all believers it has nothing to do with the Melchizedek or Aaronic Priesthoods of the LDS Church.
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