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What the New Covenant is has been fulfilled in Jesus's death on the cross and rising from the grave on the third day.

But what has not been fulfilled is Israel, the Jews, receiving the New Covenant. Which is the eschatology aspect of it.
Remember....."not all of Israel is Israel" (Romans 9:6).

From the shift of the Old Covenant (likened by Paul to Abraham's first son....born of Abraham's servant, Hagar) to the New Covenant....God's covenant people were shifting as well. Only those of OC Israel that listened to God's voice through Jesus would be His Covenant people in the New Covenant.

The very beginning of the New Covenant church was with Jews in Jerusalem and throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria. This is a direct fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:

Acts 9
31Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced a time of peace. It grew in strength and numbers, living in the fear of the Lord and the encouragement of the Holy Spirit.
 
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What the New Covenant is has been fulfilled in Jesus's death on the cross and rising from the grave on the third day.

But what has not been fulfilled is Israel, the Jews, receiving the New Covenant. Which is the eschatology aspect of it.
The new covenant of Christ's shed blood on the cross for salvation is available to all Jews right now. They don't have to wait. Today (now) is the day of salvation for all people, including the Jews.

2 Cor 6:1 As God’s co-workers we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 For he says, “In the time of my favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” I tell you, now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation.


New Covenant Prophecy:

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

New Covenant Prophecy Fulfillment

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, he saith (in Jeremiah 31:31-34), Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more
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13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Luke 22:16 When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. 15 And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. 16 For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” 17 After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. 18 For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.” 19 And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Nowhere does scripture teach that the new covenant is postponed for the people of Israel. It was put into effect for them and the whole world almost 2,000 years ago.
 
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I think you means Jer. 31:31-34 not 38.

everything you have written here I agree with!
That was quoted text, but I do think you're right about a typo.
 
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Remember....."not all of Israel is Israel" (Romans 9:6).

From the shift of the Old Covenant (likened by Paul to Abraham's first son....born of Abraham's servant, Hagar) to the New Covenant....God's covenant people were shifting as well. Only those of OC Israel that listened to God's voice through Jesus would be His Covenant people in the New Covenant.

The very beginning of the New Covenant church was with Jews in Jerusalem and throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria. This is a direct fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:

Acts 9
31Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee, and Samaria experienced a time of peace. It grew in strength and numbers, living in the fear of the Lord and the encouragement of the Holy Spirit.

I agree. Throughout the Old Testament, a faithful remnant of believers, a few of whom are referred to in Hebrews 11, existed. Witness faithful Boaz in the Book of Ruth; the background is the sad, dark time of the Judges.

However, the son of Abraham for the line of the covenant was Isaac. Ishmael resulted from Abraham and Sarah's deviation from God's will in Genesis 16, whereas God returns to the couple in chapter 17 to renew his promises. He also calls them to obedience to God's covenant promises of a son between them and the land of promise, which becomes the whole earth in the New Testament, where we are promised a new heaven and earth in which we will live after Jesus returns (Revelation 21:1).
 
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The question isthis: does God go back on promises that He did not place conditions on like the Mosaic covenant had conditions?

If God is not an Indian Giver then He will fulfill these promises as declared.
I can't follow your first question. I think Paul addressed it here, though....from what I'm guessing you mean:

Romans 9:6
It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.

 
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This may seem out of place on the eschatology forum, but this has come up and there's disagreement over the fulfillment of the New Covenant. This does inform our view of eschatology, so that is why I'm bringing it up here.

This is from the Greek Orthodox Study Bible. This was the understanding of the apostles and the early church:

Quoting From the Orthodox Study Bible (Old Testament)
The Prophet Ezekiel prophesies a “covenant of peace” inaugurating a future era of peace and prosperity for Israel under the care of “one shepherd . . . My Servant David” (Ezk 34:20-21; see 37:15-28). Jeremiah and Ezekiel envision this “new covenant” (Jer 38:31-34; Ezk 36:22-28) to be based on the spiritual cleansing and renewal of men’s hearts. Isaiah foresees the new, “everlasting covenant” when God will gather all peoples to share in the blessings of Israel (Is 2:1-4; 49:6; 55:5; 60:1-6; see Jer 3:12-17; 4:1, 2; Ps 71:1-19).​

The New Testament (or New Covenant), prophesied by Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Isaiah, is inaugurated on earth by Jesus Christ, the “Son of David” (Mt 21:9-11; Mk 10:46-48), the one Shepherd (Jn 10:1-16, 25-28) who comes to gather all people to Himself in spiritual unity and who sends the Holy Spirit (Jn 15:26) on Pentecost to dwell in His followers. Jesus declares at the Last Supper, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood” (Lk 22:20), thus directly linking this new covenant with a covenant meal-the Eucharist. Calling Christ the “Mediator of a better covenant” (Heb 8:6), the Book of Hebrews dramatically demonstrated how He fulfills and supersedes the old covenant made with the Israelites (3:1-10:22).
"God's Covenant - St. Sophia Greek Orthodox Church Bellingham, Washington" God's Covenant

To add a little more information- the first covenant was a marriage covenant with God and Israel, as shown by God calling Israel His bride, and shown by God divorcing His bride for adultery in Jeremiah 3:8.

The new covenant is also a marriage:

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
 
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I can't follow your first question. I think Paul addressed it here, though....from what I'm guessing you mean:

Romans 9:6
It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.


Covenant Theologians believed that what God promised Israel in the OT, really refers to "spiritual Israel", meaning the Body of Christ now. Thus, they have to do a lot of allegorizing to make many passages fit for us.

Dispensationalists believed that the Body of Christ is a mystery that was hidden in God during the OT, and that it has a separate destiny from national Israel. So they believed that the promises given to Israel in the OT will still be fulfilled in the future, after the Tribulation, the physical land, Jesus sitting on David's throne in Jerusalem and so on.
 
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Covenant Theologians believed that what God promised Israel in the OT, really refers to "spiritual Israel", meaning the Body of Christ now. Thus, they have to do a lot of allegorizing to make many passages fit for us.
Not really "Spiritual Israel" because it began with literal Israel like Moses, Daniel, King David, John the baptizer, the apostles, Saul/Paul, etc. However....there's a condition that Daniel points out here:

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed to the LORD my God and confessed, “O, Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant of loving devotion(d) to those who love Him and keep His commandments
 
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Not really "Spiritual Israel" because it began with literal Israel like Moses, Daniel, and King David. However....there's a condition that Daniel points out here:

Daniel 9:4
And I prayed to the LORD my God and confessed, “O, Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant of loving devotion(d) to those who love Him and keep His commandments

So do you think everybody in the body of Christ keep Jesus commandments?
 
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Covenant Theologians believed that what God promised Israel in the OT, really refers to "spiritual Israel", meaning the Body of Christ now. Thus, they have to do a lot of allegorizing to make many passages fit for us.

If they’d read Romans 11 and insert “church” everywhere Israel is mentioned, they’d see that doesn’t work.
 
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If they’d read Romans 11 and insert “church” everywhere Israel is mentioned, they’d see that doesn’t work.

you will be amazed how Creative people can become when they want to make scripture fit whatever doctrine they want to have
 
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So do you think everybody in the body of Christ keep Jesus commandments?
Only Enoch was righteous enough to keep any commandments. Name any other human who kept them like Enoch. Keeping a commandment is not practicing them. Practice does not make perfect to God. Practice is just filthy rags in God's view. If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the Truth is not in us. If any break just one commandment, it is breaking the whole Law.
 
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So do you think everybody in the body of Christ keep Jesus commandments?
Jesus summed up all commandments this way:

Matthew 22:37-39
Jesus declared, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
This is the first and greatest commandment.
And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

......and Jesus also said this to the biblical Jews of His day

John 8:37-39
I know you are Abraham’s descendants
, but you are trying to kill Me because My word has no place within you. I speak of what I have seen in the presence of the Father, and you do what you have heard from your father.”“Abraham is our father,” they replied. “No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example.

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..so, yes, I do believe that those considered to be God's new covenant family love God, love others, and have faith like Abraham (not perfectly....but with the attitude to be aligned with God).
 
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Provide a name and quote of someone who does.
I think the point that was being made is if one inserts "the church" for Israel, some of the doctrine of covenant theology and new covenant theology is shown to be in error.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel [ replace with "the Church"], until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Church having become Israel doctrine - does not work.
 
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I think the point that was being made is if one inserts "the church" for Israel, some of the doctrine of covenant theology and new covenant theology is shown to be in error.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel [ replace with "the Church"], until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Church having become Israel doctrine - does not work.


Which of the two Israels found in Romans 11:1-5 are you talking about?
Is it the faithful "remnant" of verse 5, or is it the Baal worshipers?

Are all of the Israelites partially blinded, or are part of the Israelites blinded and part of the Israelites are not blinded? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.

Based on Luke 21:24-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ.

There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the Church found in Romans 11, or in the rest of the New Testament.

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Which of the two Israels found in Romans 11:1-5 are you talking about?
Is it the faithful "remnant" of verse 5, or is it the Baal worshipers?

Are all of the Israelites partially blinded, or are part of the Israelites blinded and part of the Israelites are not blinded? The answer is found in the "remnant" of Romans 11:5.

Based on Luke 21:24-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at the Second Coming of Christ.

There is no Plan B of salvation outside of the Church found in Romans 11, or in the rest of the New Testament.

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The plan of salvation does not say call on the name of the Lord, and you shall inherit the land of Israel.

The plan of salvation is call upon the name of the Lord, and you shall be saved.
 
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I think the point that was being made is if one inserts "the church" for Israel, some of the doctrine of covenant theology and new covenant theology is shown to be in error.

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel [ replace with "the Church"], until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Church having become Israel doctrine - does not work.

I requested an example of "one" who does such insertion.

As in his/her actual name and quote.
 
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