LDS Priesthoods Not Found In The Bible Or Church History

He is the way · Oct 30, 2020

Gifts From Above said:
Please show me one quotation from the writings of the Early Church Fathers that concern the LDS Priesthoods.

(New Testament | Ephesians 2:20)

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Gifts From Above · Oct 30, 2020

He is the way said:
(New Testament | Ephesians 2:20)

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

How does that verse apply to our current conversation?

OK so basically you have no proof. Thanks.

chad kincham · Oct 30, 2020

Gifts From Above said:
No, I’m talking about the Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthoods which are found nowhere in the New Testament scriptures or early church history.

Their problem is, Jesus ended the Aaronic and Leviticus priesthoods found in the OT - and there’s only one priest in the Melchizedek priesthood, and it’s Jesus.

Hebrews says it clearly:

Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Heb 7:13 For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar.

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

Heb 7:15 This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek,

Heb 7:16 who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life.

Heb 7:21 but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever.’”

Heb 7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

Heb 7:23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office,

Heb 7:24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.

Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Heb 7:26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.

Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.

Heb 7:28 For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.

chad kincham · Oct 30, 2020

He is the way said:
(New Testament | Ephesians 2:20)

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

Your problem is, Jesus ended the Aaronic and Leviticus priesthoods found in the OT - and there’s only one priest in the Melchizedek priesthood, and it’s Jesus.

Hebrews says it clearly:

Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Heb 7:13 For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar.

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

Heb 7:15 This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek,

Heb 7:16 who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life.

Heb 7:21 but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever.’”

Heb 7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

Heb 7:23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office,

Heb 7:24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.

Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Heb 7:26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.

Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.

Heb 7:28 For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.

Peter1000 · Nov 6, 2020

Gifts From Above said:
How does that verse apply to our current conversation?

OK so basically you have no proof. Thanks.

Can you tell me what you think the "priesthood" is?

He is the way · Nov 6, 2020

chad kincham said:
Your problem is, Jesus ended the Aaronic and Leviticus priesthoods found in the OT - and there’s only one priest in the Melchizedek priesthood, and it’s Jesus.

Hebrews says it clearly:

Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron?

Heb 7:12 For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.

Heb 7:13 For the one of whom these things are spoken belonged to another tribe, from which no one has ever served at the altar.

Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, and in connection with that tribe Moses said nothing about priests.

Heb 7:15 This becomes even more evident when another priest arises in the likeness of Melchizedek,

Heb 7:16 who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life.

Heb 7:21 but this one was made a priest with an oath by the one who said to him: “The Lord has sworn and will not change his mind, ‘You are a priest forever.’”

Heb 7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.

Heb 7:23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office,

Heb 7:24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.

Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.

Heb 7:26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.

Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.

Heb 7:28 For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.

You said: "Your problem is, Jesus ended the Aaronic and Leviticus priesthoods found in the OT"

No He didn't and none of those scriptures say He did.

Gifts From Above · Nov 6, 2020

He is the way said:
You said: "Your problem is, Jesus ended the Aaronic and Leviticus priesthoods found in the OT"

No He didn't and none of those scriptures say He did.

Then what evidence do you have from the New Testament or the ECF that the Priesthoods continued?

mmksparbud · Nov 6, 2020

They have no proof---they go by the false teachings of JS which they hold to be more accurate than the Holy Scriptures. The bible is only good when JS does not contradict what is says, when it contradicts, then the word of JS is what reigns supreme. He is, for all intends and purposes---their god, though they deny it and say Jesus is, however, Jesus did not say a word about their teachings so it is not Jesus they worship, but the writings of JS . They7 just Christianize the language in an effort to sound as though they do hold Jesus as their God---it is indeed -- JS.

He is the way · Nov 6, 2020

Gifts From Above said:
Then what evidence do you have from the New Testament or the ECF that the Priesthoods continued?

Here are some:
(New Testament | Mark 6:7)

7 ¶ And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;
(New Testament | Mark 6:12 - 13)

12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
(New Testament | Luke 6:13)

13 ¶ And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
(New Testament | Luke 9:1 - 2)

1 THEN he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(New Testament | John 15:16)

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:4)

4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

(New Testament | Acts 8:18 - 19)

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
(New Testament | Galatians 1:1)

1 PAUL, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

(New Testament | Titus 1:5)

5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

(New Testament | 1 Timothy 3:8 - 13)

8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
(New Testament | Mark 1:44)

44 And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Gifts From Above · Nov 6, 2020

He is the way said:
Here are some:
(New Testament | Mark 6:7)

7 ¶ And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits;
(New Testament | Mark 6:12 - 13)

12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent.
13 And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.
(New Testament | Luke 6:13)

13 ¶ And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;
(New Testament | Luke 9:1 - 2)

1 THEN he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.
2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.
(New Testament | Matthew 16:19)

19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(New Testament | John 15:16)

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:4)

4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

(New Testament | Acts 8:18 - 19)

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
(New Testament | Galatians 1:1)

1 PAUL, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead

(New Testament | Titus 1:5)

5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

That says absolutely nothing about Priesthoods.

He is the way · Nov 6, 2020

Gifts From Above said:
That says absolutely nothing about Priesthoods.

I believe it does:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 12)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Gifts From Above · Nov 6, 2020

He is the way said:
I believe it does:

(New Testament | Ephesians 4:11 - 12)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Nope. That says nothing about Priesthoods.

You are grasping at straws.

chad kincham · Nov 6, 2020

He is the way said:
You said: "Your problem is, Jesus ended the Aaronic and Leviticus priesthoods found in the OT"

No He didn't and none of those scriptures say He did.

Yes, they do.

Jesus ended all priesthood’s comprised of mortal men who die and need replaced, since He is immortal - and they (Levitical and Aaronic) had to bring sacrifices to the altar daily (that was the purpose of those priests) - but Jesus, the great high priest of the Melchisidec priesthood, ended that need for a daily sacrifice, by sacrificing Himself once for all time.

That’s very clear.

There are no levitical or Aaronic priesthood’s today.

And the Melchizedek priesthood has just one priest in it: Jesus.

And there’s no marriage in heaven, said Jesus.

There’s no celestial marriage, either.

Jesus was asked which of seven husbands a woman had, would be her husband in heaven.

His answer was, none of them, for there’s no marriage in heaven.

That’s why the Bible says death ends a marriage, so the widow/widower is free to remarry.

Kind of impossible to have celestial marriage in heaven, when death ends the marriage.

He is the way · Nov 6, 2020

chad kincham said:
Yes, they do.

Jesus ended all priesthood’s comprised of mortal men who die and need replaced, since He is immortal - and they (Levitical and Aaronic) had to bring sacrifices to the altar daily (that was the purpose of those priests) - but Jesus, the great high priest of the Melchisidec priesthood, ended that need for a daily sacrifice, by sacrificing Himself once for all time.

That’s very clear.

There are no levitical or Aaronic priesthood’s today.

And the Melchizedek priesthood has just one priest in it: Jesus.

And there’s no marriage in heaven, said Jesus.

There’s no celestial marriage, either.

Jesus was asked which of seven husbands a woman had, would be her husband in heaven.

His answer was, none of them, for there’s no marriage in heaven.

That’s why the Bible says death ends a marriage, so the widow/widower is free to remarry.

Kind of impossible to have celestial marriage in heaven, when death ends the marriage.

Yes Jesus Did end sacrifice but NOT the priesthood. His power is still on the earth:
(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:1 - 17)

1 THIS know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Gifts From Above · Nov 6, 2020

He is the way said:
Yes Jesus Did end sacrifice but NOT the priesthood. His power is still on the earth:
(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:1 - 17)

1 THIS know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

How does that scripture you quoted prove the LDS Priesthood?

chad kincham · Nov 6, 2020

He is the way said:
Yes Jesus Did end sacrifice but NOT the priesthood. His power is still on the earth:

There is only one priest and priesthood now, and Jesus is it.

He is the way · Nov 6, 2020

Gifts From Above said:
How does that scripture you quoted prove the LDS Priesthood?

It is about those who have a form of Godliness but deny the power of the priesthood.

Gifts From Above · Nov 6, 2020

He is the way said:
It is about those who have a form of Godliness but deny the power of the priesthood.

No, it says nothing about the Priesthood.

He is the way · Nov 6, 2020

chad kincham said:
There is only one priest and priesthood now, and Jesus is it.

So you say, and sadly for many that is true.

He is the way · Nov 6, 2020

Gifts From Above said:
No, it says nothing about the Priesthood.

What power do you think it is talking about if it is not Godly power?

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