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Try to follow, would you?Hmm sorry?
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Try to follow, would you?Hmm sorry?
Pay attention, if you want to engage.Sorry, again... what?
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Who said that there was ???
You know, you can say all you want, criticize all you want, all of that. I really don't care. You worship your way and see, and I will as well.was known as "the WAY" and for centuries was thought as a sect of Judaism by Rome...the irony...BECAUSE it so closely resembled His faith...
the divorce from all things "Jewish" began in earnest after the first century it is true...even with a reform of the calendar...
fine...lets compare ALL OF THAT to how He lived and taught we should follow...doing what was taught from Moses seat...
He did NOT create a new religion...this ekklesia was in the wilderness claimed Stephen...
ironically slandering Jews claimed as you do that poor Stephen taught "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" to make another religion...Luke was clear these slandering Jews were a FALSE WITNESS as that is NOT what Yahushua did but "think NOT that" and yet you do...
despite Titus 1:14
that is what this is right? You claim change to His to be KOSHER as per tradition of man...and I not so much...but stand with "first pope" Peter that we rather follow Yah...
sure...play coy...but outside yours there is NO salvation is its claim for centuries and it sets out to prove so still...
though now the counter reformation is just as coy...dissent however will not be tolerated...as it leads to denominations...free speech...separation of church and state...free conscience...private property...self defense...etc...
your corrupted leaders mere sinners?...right but typically sinners claiming to follow Him WANT to change...DO CHANGE and be regenerated...you know..."go and sin no more"...follow Him...live AS He did...JUST AS
remember that book you "gave us"? practically new...barely opened...lol
well...we were FINALLY able to read it...
no? To be Holy...to live as He did NOT demonstrated in scripture?
so His disciples:
worshipped another god?
made images to venerate?
took His name for naught?
rejected Sabbath?
dishonored parents?
killed?
adulterated His faith?
stole?
lied?
coveted?
ate PIG?
wow...must be all recorded in those books still secreted from public view under Peter's seat...
That list describes ANOTHER group of believers...lol
to a man a Jew...and He instructed them to teach ALL to observe ALL that was taught from Moses' seat...AND as He commanded them...as they were to continue to hear Moses every Sabbath James concluded Acts 15:21 even those NOT of Jacob
yes you believe...but fruits reveal other wise...is why I even respond to you...yours does NOT keep Sabbath Holy or refrain from pig etc...but another christ another gospel and crying Lord! Lord! is NOT enough but those that DO the Will of my Father...Who does NOT change
if the faith was the same there would not be V2...nor a current desire now to return to prior tradition of the prior faith which was changed
the beasts you mean? lol
why did you stop at 12? I read the Church beyond chapter 12 ...a remnant of which comes out of her BECAUSE "Here are they...the faith OF Yahushua"
It is OUTSIDE where are sorcerers...sexually immoral...murderers... idolators...and whoever loves and practices a lie...such as “Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered”
oh my...despite others of your faith claiming Peter's seat empty...
yup...so you ready for that two column list of His "the Way" vs your global corporation?
so where did He serve Sunday Ham please? Which is after the worship service
A service of injesting His actual blood...despite we are to keep from blood...Acts 15...and not just of animals
Pharisees would not have stoned her...it was a test...Torah Law demanded both MAN and woman be on trial at a qualified Judge...ONLY SHE was accused...
do you see the foreshadowing of an adulterating church? given GRACE but told to SIN NO MORE...
all part of WHY you do not see He came to reform His faith He gave to His bride...or why she killed Him for His attempt to reform it...
or WHY He seeks a new wife NOW...faithful to Him His ways and NOT off AGAIN making an idolatry of it...
Yes yes...common good...according to your tradition and liberation theology...
nope...NOW do we make that two column list of His Faith vs your global corporation?
You think the Jews would have left them alone if the apostles were INDEED teaching:
Sabbath done away with
Eat pig and blood
Venerate images
Mary worship
Saints in heaven not dead
Etc etc etc
lol...so which is it?
He is our master and standard...limits talking out of both sides of one’s mouth...or a life of hypocrisy
sure all sin...but comparing fruit closer to the root and trunk is the issue here...Buddhists are humble...Hindus loving...Muslims charitable...any of that more like Him? His way?
oh? Trads are gaining popularity btw...and I don’t think the Pope would agree with your opinion here...
yours NOT His obviously
does it? Counter reformation is just building...to a grand finale...
yes it was...your whitewashing is getting weaker...church taught give money to relieve penance...much money was raised by this faith...
asked for their reform...
BECAUSE the church clung to its tradition and NOT scripture...and only once you start to clean you begin to release how dirty the basement is right?
it is a day but NOT of your reforming to Him His Ways...in fact you ADDED to replace...it is NOT like the first days of the week He lived...only TWO were of importance to Him...First Fruits and Pentecost...the same TWO which were important to the first century church...
Only thing that happened that Sunday was a tomb discovered ALREADY empty He was risen the day prior to be ready for First Fruits Festivals that day...
Your Sunday is a day NOT like His...to celebrate His resurrection you obligate others to assist again His on going crucifixion and to drink His blood...odd ritual
bad? How so?...merely a messy means to justify an end...millions of children were molested and now grown up are social influencers to tear down the WASP culture of America...
counter reformation tactics might seem ugly but the aim of the church remains the same...collapse all others so that indeed outside of Her there is NO salvation...
One universal true church...remember?...is its goal
not to catholic faithful who resent the adulterations of this “church of nice” to the way of her proper tradition and true faith
nope...YOU REJECTED that I said He came to STEAL SABBATH BACK...to reform His faith He gave us at Sinai
LOL...but but but...”Why else would he save the woman whom the Pharisees would stone? I don't see that he tried to reform Judaism at all”
and by fulfill you mean abolished...as if the OT no longer applies despite His teaching and modeling it PRIOR signing and sealing His last will and testament...NO CHANGES...and none noted...until a century later
already in the OT for His people some NOT of Jacob...
A love AS HE LOVED US fulfills His Law...INCLUDES HIS LAW and we are to establish it says Paul...His Law our faith does NOT make void...
And even specifically: Pray the Sabbath be kept in future times of trouble He instructed Matt 24:20
according to your tradition yes...but NOT HIS
nope by LAW it MUST be Wheat...poor celiac sufferers...have allergic reactions as if His flesh contained gluten...
tell that to the East and Armenians suffering NOW without your support...and those claiming TOO much change has occurred and now desire a return to Latin...
NOT Greek...and certainly NOT Hebrew...that would be TOO JEWISH...lol
So first, you're Jesus, then you're John the Baptist, and now you believe you're one of the Apostles, and were there when Jesus was speaking to the apostles...which is why I don't believe you. I do absolutely believe Scripture, but even Paul only knew he was teaching to the different communities correctly after he discussed with the apostles, and they laid hands on him.
It is not hard to understand the scriptures if you read them and what is said in them is what is being shared with you and written in the scripture.Your understanding of what God's Word means.
Try to follow what? I was asking you for clarification as I did not know what you were talking about here. If you do not want to have a discussion just say so. I was only asking what do you mean.Try to follow, would you?
Your response...LoveGodsWord said: ↑ The scribes and Pharisees did indeed also question the authority of JESUS and John the baptists not knowing that their authority was Gods' Word and that they were indeed sent by God. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
How so? You say "not really". While God's Word says...Not really.
I was only asking you for clarification. I do not think there is any need to get upset.Pay attention, if you want to engage.
You know, you can say all you want, criticize all you want, all of that. I really don't care. You worship your way and see, and I will as well.
I have never tried to say that the hierarchy of the Church is lily-white, but then neither is the hierarchy of ANY church. What is pure is the faith.
You keep bringing up V2, which changed NOTHING of the way we worship, though some interpreted it as allowing guitars and drums into worship, and a few other things; but that's not what the documents say. You keep talking about ham dinners, but I don't know what you're referring to. You talk about hour-long worship services, and object to people spending time with their families over a meal. I don't get it. None of that has anything to do with our command to worship God always.
I have conceded that lots in the Church don't keep the Sabbath rest, but this is an individual thing, not an article of faith.
I don't care how you worship. As SDA, I know how you interpret Scripture, and it's the way 'yours' teach you, not what you actually read.
So keep it up, and laugh it up. Your church was not present at the day of Pentecost, that's what I know, so I know you can't have an understanding of what the Bible you were handed says because you've ripped Apostolic Tradition away from it, and without that Tradition, you have no compass for understanding what it means.
So...put the kitty on the table.
Bye!
there was a time yours were NOT so agreeable...but thanksYou know, you can say all you want, criticize all you want, all of that. I really don't care. You worship your way and see, and I will as well.
that is not the issue but to explore why the lack of consistency with scripture...NOW you ready for the two column lists of His Way vs. man’s traditions?I have never tried to say that the hierarchy of the Church is lily-white, but then neither is the hierarchy of ANY church.
not only is your faith NOT as what it was in the first century when Peter was “first pope”but your faith is NOT pure to ITSELF as a growing number within yours claim this Pope is a heretic...and Peter’s seat is emptyWhat is pure is the faith.
you minimize the impact of the V2...to not only mix with others diluting your ownYou keep bringing up V2, which changed NOTHING of the way we worship, though some interpreted it as allowing guitars and drums into worship, and a few other things; but that's not what the documents say.
our command being HIS command to worship Him HOW? With Ham dinners and NOT as He demonstrated with a seventh day rest?You keep talking about ham dinners, but I don't know what you're referring to. You talk about hour-long worship services, and object to people spending time with their families over a meal. I don't get it. None of that has anything to do with our command to worship God always.
no you instead insisted because Christendom does otherwise one should NOT do as He demonstrated...I have conceded that lots in the Church don't keep the Sabbath rest, but this is an individual thing, not an article of faith.
others might be reading...you tend to make this all about you...I don't care how you worship.
nope...and even they reject His Way...not keeping festivals and preferring names Babylon gave HimAs SDA, I know how you interpret Scripture, and it's the way 'yours' teach you, not what you actually read.
laugh or lament?...or as EliYah provoked “shout louder your god might be sleeping!”?So keep it up, and laugh it up.
lol...Pentecost is found in the part of the Bible you did NOT “make”...it is His Calendar NOT apostolic tradition...Your church was not present at the day of Pentecost, that's what I know, so I know you can't have an understanding of what the Bible you were handed says because you've ripped Apostolic Tradition away from it, and without that Tradition, you have no compass for understanding what it means.
I understand you less and less...So...put the kitty on the table.
Bye!
The secret is that ordination is something specific, and these passages are not speaking directly to you or me. They report what Jesus said to the apostles. No one else. They are informational for us. God does ordain people to preach and interpret Scripture, but he doesn't ordain everyone. If the Scriptures you keep posting applied to everyone, who would be the student? We're not all teachers, we don't all carry the authority. Jesus told the Church he would send the Holy Spirit to guide them in all truth. Specifically the apostles, not you, or me. The authority is the Church's, in the persons of the bishops, who are successors of the apostles. So by their authority, I can safely say you aren't ordained to interpret Scripture. You are ordained to be Christian if you've been properly baptized, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.You really did not answer the question asked of you here. As posted earlier, God has ordained everyone who believes and follows His Word according to the scriptures already provided. It seems you do not believe them though so by what authority do you tell me God has not ordained me or anyone else that believes and follows God's Word? *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:31-36; 1 John 2:27; Hebrews 8:11; John 3:34; Matthew 28:19.
Hah, oh, yes. The plain meaning. The problem is you don't have the context necessary, which is Sacred Tradition.It is not hard to understand the scriptures if you read them and what is said in them is what is being shared with you and written in the scripture.
You don't understand "This is the day the Lord has made. Let us be glad and rejoice in it."?Try to follow what? I was asking you for clarification as I did not know what you were talking about here. If you do not want to have a discussion just say so. I was only asking what do you mean.
Not really was referring to your comment "Sounds familiar, doesn't it?"Your response...
How so? You say "not really". While God's Word says...
MATTHEW 21:23-27 [23] And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority do you these things? and who gave you this authority? [24], And Jesus answered and said to them, I also will ask you one thing, which if you tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. [25], The baptism of John, from where was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say to us, Why did you not then believe him? [26], But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet. [27], And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said to them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.
You do not believe the words of JESUS above? Sorry dear friend but for me, I choose to believe the bible.
You think I'm upset?I was only asking you for clarification. I do not think there is any need to get upset.
I have no doubt that you believe everything you have learned. (from who did you learn it?)Well actually that is not true. I believe everything I have learned personally, I have done so be reading the bible asking God to be by guide and teacher. God promises to do so if we believe and follow his Word *John 14:26; John 16:13; John 8:31-36; John 17:17; 1 John 2:27; Hebrews 8:11. How can we have faith without God's Word? How can we be saved without faith that comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. How can we have salvation if we do not have God's Word? This is the question we must all consider. Who are we following? That teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God?
Thank you for the discussion dear fiend.
May God bless you as you receive his Word.
Can be said about 'yours', too...by yours, I mean anti-Catholics. Ask Henry VIII, for example, or those Catholics in Switzerland who refused to dissent from the Church.there was a time yours were NOT so agreeable...but thanks
You know, Catholicism is not a popularity contest, and it doesn't matter what some so-called Catholics believe. What matters is the faith as it is taught-the Catechism.that is not the issue but to explore why the lack of consistency with scripture...NOW you ready for the two column lists of His Way vs. man’s traditions?
not only is your faith NOT as what it was in the first century when Peter was “first pope”but your faith is NOT pure to ITSELF as a growing number within yours claim this Pope is a heretic...and Peter’s seat is empty
Show me where V2 did this.you minimize the impact of the V2...to not only mix with others diluting your own
Again, show me where V2 did this.but to reverse CENTURIES and BIBLICAL teaching that there is only ONE WAY to heaven...
I don't believe you. Prove it.V2 provides that the Jews have their OWN PATH and no longer need our Savior...thus there are now TWO brides...
Who worships Him with ham dinners?our command being HIS command to worship Him HOW? With Ham dinners and NOT as He demonstrated with a seventh day rest?
I never insisted any such thing. And neither does my Church.no you instead insisted because Christendom does otherwise one should NOT do as He demonstrated...
I know. That's kind of what I'm trying to say to you. You have no idea, really. My comment about 'put the kitty on the table', interpret it. What does it mean to you?others might be reading...you tend to make this all about you...
nope...and even they reject His Way...not keeping festivals and preferring names Babylon gave Him
laugh or lament?...or as EliYah provoked “shout louder your god might be sleeping!”?
lol...Pentecost is found in the part of the Bible you did NOT “make”...it is His Calendar NOT apostolic tradition...
The OT is also a compass for His Way...which His Spirit encourages His to follow...
His ekklesia was at Sinai to receive His living oracles...already full of those NOT of Jacob...
His still follow...with the sabbatismos which remains for them...
I understand you less and less...
Might He lead...halleluYah