Well, I can agree that the reason the one Church Christ instituted
was known as "the WAY" and for centuries was thought as a sect of Judaism by Rome...the irony...BECAUSE it so closely resembled His faith...
the divorce from all things "Jewish" began in earnest after the first century it is true...even with a reform of the calendar...
and prayed for splintered into 30-40 thousand different denominations is because of our fallen human nature. But I, and more than 1 billion other souls, believe in the one Church Christ instituted.
fine...lets compare ALL OF THAT to how He lived and taught we should follow...doing what was taught from Moses seat...
He did NOT create a new religion...this ekklesia was in the wilderness claimed Stephen...
ironically slandering Jews claimed as you do that poor Stephen taught "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" to make another religion...Luke was clear these slandering Jews were a FALSE WITNESS as that is NOT what Yahushua did but "think NOT that" and yet you do...
despite Titus 1:14
Oh, for the sake of argument. I see.
that is what this is right? You claim change to His to be KOSHER as per tradition of man...and I not so much...but stand with "first pope" Peter that we rather follow Yah...
Oh, it is the faith of my Church. My opinion doesn't really matter. I don't know that many were killed over whether they were 'sprinkled', or immersed, or, for that matter, baptized.
sure...play coy...but outside yours there is NO salvation is its claim for centuries and it sets out to prove so still...
though now the counter reformation is just as coy...dissent however will not be tolerated...as it leads to denominations...free speech...separation of church and state...free conscience...private property...self defense...etc...
And yet they were sinners, just like everyone else. It doesn't really matter what sins they were guilty of, but that they were guilty of sinning.
your corrupted leaders mere sinners?...right but typically sinners claiming to follow Him WANT to change...DO CHANGE and be regenerated...you know..."go and sin no more"...follow Him...live AS He did...JUST AS
But how do you know you're on the right track?
remember that book you "gave us"? practically new...barely opened...lol
well...we were FINALLY able to read it...
That's not demonstrated in Scripture.
no? To be Holy...to live as He did NOT demonstrated in scripture?
so His disciples:
worshipped another god?
made images to venerate?
took His name for naught?
rejected Sabbath?
dishonored parents?
killed?
adulterated His faith?
stole?
lied?
coveted?
ate PIG?
wow...must be all recorded in those books still secreted from public view under Peter's seat...
That list describes ANOTHER group of believers...lol
Christ chose 12. All of them were sinners. One denied him 3 times, one betrayed him, one doubted him, and so on.
to a man a Jew...and He instructed them to teach ALL to observe ALL that was taught from Moses' seat...AND as He commanded them...as they were to continue to hear Moses every Sabbath James concluded Acts 15:21 even those NOT of Jacob
I believe we all try to live as he lived.
yes you believe...but fruits reveal other wise...is why I even respond to you...yours does NOT keep Sabbath Holy or refrain from pig etc...but another christ another gospel and crying Lord! Lord! is NOT enough but those that DO the Will of my Father...Who does NOT change
Regarding V2, I don't know why you keep bringing that up, but the faith is the same since the time of Pentecost.
if the faith was the same there would not be V2...nor a current desire now to return to prior tradition of the prior faith which was changed
Read the first 12 chapters of Revelation. That's the Church of today.
the beasts you mean? lol
why did you stop at 12? I read the Church beyond chapter 12 ...a remnant of which comes out of her BECAUSE "Here are they...the faith OF Yahushua"
It is OUTSIDE where are sorcerers...sexually immoral...murderers... idolators...and whoever loves and practices a lie...such as “Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered”
I don't think anything, regarding my faith. I know.
oh my...despite others of your faith claiming Peter's seat empty...
No need to conjecture. Christ instituted a Church. He prayed for it to be One, as He and the Father are One. (John 17).
yup...so you ready for that two column list of His "the Way" vs your global corporation?
And yes, he did demonstrate and teach it.
so where did He serve Sunday Ham please? Which is after the worship service
A service of injesting His actual blood...despite we are to keep from blood...Acts 15...and not just of animals
Why else would he save the woman whom the Pharisees would stone? I don't see that he tried to reform Judaism at all.
Pharisees would not have stoned her...it was a test...Torah Law demanded both MAN and woman be on trial at a qualified Judge...ONLY SHE was accused...
do you see the foreshadowing of an adulterating church? given GRACE but told to SIN NO MORE...
all part of WHY you do not see He came to reform His faith He gave to His bride...or why she killed Him for His attempt to reform it...
or WHY He seeks a new wife NOW...faithful to Him His ways and NOT off AGAIN making an idolatry of it...
And yet the reality remains. Had the Church ignored the affairs of the city of Rome, the people would have suffered more. And that's not the way to be Christian.
Yes yes...common good...according to your tradition and liberation theology...
Regardless of how people practice their faith, what the Church teaches is documented to be obedience to His Faith.
nope...NOW do we make that two column list of His Faith vs your global corporation?
As Gamaliel stated to the Pharisees, if it (the Church) isn't of God, it would pass away of its own volition.
You think the Jews would have left them alone if the apostles were INDEED teaching:
Sabbath done away with
Eat pig and blood
Venerate images
Mary worship
Saints in heaven not dead
Etc etc etc
Yeah, you don't get it. I'll give you that there is corruption in the Church.
lol...so which is it?
He is our master and standard...limits talking out of both sides of one’s mouth...or a life of hypocrisy
Any church for that matter, yours included. Abuse, too, to be sure.
sure all sin...but comparing fruit closer to the root and trunk is the issue here...Buddhists are humble...Hindus loving...Muslims charitable...any of that more like Him? His way?
And it doesn't matter what some people believe about the papacy.
oh? Trads are gaining popularity btw...and I don’t think the Pope would agree with your opinion here...
What matters is the faith itself,
yours NOT His obviously
not politics, or wars or anything else. All that passes away.
does it? Counter reformation is just building...to a grand finale...
Well, that was never a teaching of the Church.
yes it was...your whitewashing is getting weaker...church taught give money to relieve penance...much money was raised by this faith...
It was an action of a few individuals. Luther knew that,
asked for their reform...
but chose to splinter from the Church anyway.
BECAUSE the church clung to its tradition and NOT scripture...and only once you start to clean you begin to release how dirty the basement is right?
it is a day but NOT of your reforming to Him His Ways...in fact you ADDED to replace...it is NOT like the first days of the week He lived...only TWO were of importance to Him...First Fruits and Pentecost...the same TWO which were important to the first century church...
Only thing that happened that Sunday was a tomb discovered ALREADY empty He was risen the day prior to be ready for First Fruits Festivals that day...
Your Sunday is a day NOT like His...to celebrate His resurrection you obligate others to assist again His on going crucifixion and to drink His blood...odd ritual
I would say both, at different times. How they handled the priestly abuse crisis for one toward the bad.
bad? How so?...merely a messy means to justify an end...millions of children were molested and now grown up are social influencers to tear down the WASP culture of America...
counter reformation tactics might seem ugly but the aim of the church remains the same...collapse all others so that indeed outside of Her there is NO salvation...
One universal true church...remember?...is its goal
The ecumenical councils for the good.
not to catholic faithful who resent the adulterations of this “church of nice” to the way of her proper tradition and true faith
What you miss is that God gave rules to His chosen people. They expanded them, and strayed from them most of the time.
nope...YOU REJECTED that I said He came to STEAL SABBATH BACK...to reform His faith He gave us at Sinai
The Pharisees were the police and legislature, pointing fingers at those who they didn't think obeyed the laws. Christ constantly criticized those who did that. He showed them over and over and over again how they didn't follow God's laws.
LOL...but but but...”Why else would he save the woman whom the Pharisees would stone? I don't see that he tried to reform Judaism at all”
And then he fulfilled those laws.
and by fulfill you mean abolished...as if the OT no longer applies despite His teaching and modeling it PRIOR signing and sealing His last will and testament...NO CHANGES...and none noted...until a century later
Boiled them all down to two. Love God with all your heart and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.
already in the OT for His people some NOT of Jacob...
A love AS HE LOVED US fulfills His Law...INCLUDES HIS LAW and we are to establish it says Paul...His Law our faith does NOT make void...
And even specifically: Pray the Sabbath be kept in future times of trouble He instructed Matt 24:20
Regarding tradition, or practices, those do change all the time.
according to your tradition yes...but NOT HIS
What recipe is used for the wafers, what priests must give up to be a priest, and so on.
nope by LAW it MUST be Wheat...poor celiac sufferers...have allergic reactions as if His flesh contained gluten...
But Apostolic Tradition doesn't change, and never has.
tell that to the East and Armenians suffering NOW without your support...and those claiming TOO much change has occurred and now desire a return to Latin...
NOT Greek...and certainly NOT Hebrew...that would be TOO JEWISH...lol
