Undeniable evidence of mass election fraud and ballot tampering. We must demand a fair election.

Arc F1 · Nov 6, 2020

RocksInMyHead said:
No offense, but isn't this exactly what you're doing here? I mean, the instant it started looking like Trump might lose, you started harping on about fraud rather than accepting the possibility that the majority of people in this country don't agree with you.

I was talking about my own personal way. It's what I believe without compromise. We are so far apart as a nation there's no coming back at this point. It's no longer a disagreement on a few issues it's a disagreement on everything.

Kenny'sID · Nov 6, 2020

Triumvirate said:
Mods copypasting a linkdump of this stuff in this climate isn't helping, not least when none of it has been verified.

We've also seen multiple attempts by the right to claim the appearance of wrongdoing to make it look like there is wrongdoing, when there is in fact no wrongdoing.

One claim at a time, and don't be in such a rush to skippety hop onto the next claim!

Then prove them wrong if you can. As far as the quantity of posts, maybe r here is a large quantity of problems...maybe not.

Triumvirate · Nov 6, 2020

Also apart from anything else, seems like the list could be interpreted in many instances as cases of voter fraud being prevented ahead of time.

KCfromNC · Nov 6, 2020

Albion said:
And what's worse, this is only the beginning. There is almost no possibility of fair elections being restored.

I don't know, we can start with increasing the number of congressional seats to better represent the population. And the popular vote accord seems to be gaining traction. We'd still have to address GOP gerrymandering in state elections and congressional districts, but the above are a start.

Triumvirate · Nov 6, 2020

Kenny'sID said:
Then prove them wrong if you can. As far as the quantity of posts, maybe r here is a large quantity of problems...maybe not.

Yeah but equally this is why Gish Gallops are informal fallacies.

Expecting people to verify tons of claims, rather than providing your own verification, is time consuming, and it is why these things are better served by posting points one at a time rather than spamming the thread.

dogs4thewin · Nov 6, 2020

Isilwen said:
Trump is losing, may as well accept it now!

nope he has a right to ensure that it is fair. He has said that he will leave IF he feels that it is a fair election.

NerdGirl · Nov 6, 2020

LostMarbels · Nov 6, 2020

Triumvirate said:
Oh sure. But that advice is advice you should follow independent of whether Trump wins or not.

Trump hasn't lost. I do not operate that way... once one avenue closes I am looking for the other that opened. 'Doubt' is just an invitation to seek understanding and assurance in your stance. Nothing more. I'm not about to go crawling into some corner any time soon.

KCfromNC · Nov 6, 2020

ToddNotTodd said:
It doesn’t matter what the context is, if your only goal is to Gish gallop. They might as well be posting stick figure drawings as “evidence”.

the funny thing is, they’re only posting things like this in order to rile themselves up. None of us on “the other side” is falling for this nonsense...

Heck, even members of the Trump Party are calling it nonsense.

Triumvirate · Nov 6, 2020

KCfromNC said:
Heck, even members of the Trump Party are calling it nonsense.

Amazing how many sudden "leftwing" conversions are happening rn

KCfromNC · Nov 6, 2020

Triumvirate said:
Also apart from anything else, seems like the list could be interpreted in many instances as cases of voter fraud being prevented ahead of time.

Yeah, but if they caught that many, imagine how many people got away with it. I mean, literally, you'd have to have a good imagination because there's no actual evidence to lead to the conclusion that there's widespread voter fraud going on.

Triumvirate · Nov 6, 2020

Arc F1 said:
The truth shall set you free. Look into the the fraud. If even one instance is let through it canceled my vote.

You seriously expect literal perfection in a vote of an electorate of a couple of million people, that you spend about 18 months conducting, or it has to be done over again?

M8 ^_^

KCfromNC · Nov 6, 2020

Triumvirate said:
Amazing how many sudden "leftwing" conversions are happening rn

Rats, sinking ships, dot dot dot

iluvatar5150 · Nov 6, 2020

Arc F1 said:
The truth shall set you free. Look into the the fraud. If even one instance is let through it canceled my vote.

Investigating it is fine. That's the sort of thing I expect authorities to do. What I don't expect, however, is for mods to use a firehose to spray a bunch of unfounded and/or unverified and/or irrelevant accusations without even so much as reading them beforehand. That's lazy and intellectually dishonest for any board participant, much less a mod.

Triumvirate · Nov 6, 2020

KCfromNC said:
Rats, sinking ships, dot dot dot

Oh there will be some element of that undoubtedly.

I'm more referring to the cult's tendency to throw obvious right wingers into the leftwing bin the instant they criticise the cult leader.

Rofl, as they say.

Arc F1 · Nov 6, 2020

Triumvirate said:
You seriously expect literal perfection in a vote of an electorate of a couple of million people, that you spend about 18 months conducting, or it has to be done over again?

M8

I've always been in a position of responsibility. Do it right or not at all

LostMarbels · Nov 6, 2020

Triumvirate said:
You seriously expect literal perfection in a vote of an electorate of a couple of million people, that you spend about 18 months conducting, or it has to be done over again?

M8

Fraud is committed intentionally.... not a glitch in the system. These people are intentionally cheating.

Arc F1 · Nov 6, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
Investigating it is fine. That's the sort of thing I expect authorities to do. What I don't expect, however, is for mods to use a firehose to spray a bunch of unfounded and/or unverified and/or irrelevant accusations without even so much as reading them beforehand. That's lazy and intellectually dishonest for any board participant, much less a mod.

From the amount of reporting and video, witnesses etc. I'd say it's a safe bet.

Triumvirate · Nov 6, 2020

Arc F1 said:
I've always been in a position of responsibility. Do it right or not at all

Mmmm, and given that this thread started by people not seeming able to discern "mistakes" from "fraud" and in some cases not being able to discern "2018" from "2020", not so hot on the idea of following your ideas of doing this "right" ^_^

iluvatar5150 · Nov 6, 2020

Alv Vatzdal said:
I just happened to look at this post, and I'm actually deeply shocked, to see that a moderator of Christian Forums are posting the most divisive and politically charged material as possible, causing in no doubt people to be filled with fear. Is this normal in USA, that my brothers and sisters in Christ, are so blinded by politics that you've forgotten completely about common sense and think it's acceptable too dabble into conspiracy theories?

Among segments of the population, yes, it's normal.

iluvatar5150 · Nov 6, 2020

Arc F1 said:
From the amount of reporting and video, witnesses etc. I'd say it's a safe bet.

I was able to tear apart a number of the OP's claims in a matter of minutes. While it may be possible that some of those situations are legitimate, there is no safe bet of anything here.

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