Danthemailman absolutely is not saying that. D Taylor's post seems to agree, although I don't know what he meant by attaching that link.
But a person who is not a Christian is not being guided by the HS. He doesn't have Faith, so we cannot say that this even addresses the issue before us.
Matthew 7:23 - And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' *Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved.* John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. IN CONTRAST with verse 26 - But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.Where do you see that anywhere in the entire chapter?
Please plainly state then that we are saved through faith, not works. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate that there is no root. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-26). Agreed?You are still making things up that are simply not true, by falsely accusing people of claiming works prodluces salvation, when works only prove our faith....they go hand and hand. Faith without works is dead. If our faith doesnt result in not living in sin, being, and doing good, then, once again, we have no faith.
Please stop the false accusations. I mean if that is the only way you can win this, I suppose that speaks volumes for what you are defending.
If we "believe" in Christ, we believe what he says, and what he says is we must do good, take care of the poor, and not live in sin.
If we dont "believe" and do those things, we have no belief in Christ, nor do we have faith in him, but only some empty word we call faith in order to help us decieve ourselves into believing we are heaven bound with our empty "faith only".
Saving belief continues and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away. In regards to love, you must be referring to 1 Corinthians 13. It would be impossible to believe unto salvation and have absolutely no love at all. 1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.Ok so you agree that only those who continue to believe are saved right? What about those who believe but don’t have love?
Who did I judge? Will you show me where I did such a thing? Or will you, as usual, not answer or prove your false accusation?
When one starts to throw that all to common, empty defense around as you are doing, all it does is show you have no viable argument.
It's much like Dan's all to common "Is christ not sufficient". Both are tired old learned responses designed to make the opposing side feel guilty, when in fact, neither are even true. Not one person here judged, nor did they so much as indicate Christ was not sufficient.
Made up junk that is not the truth, because you have no other real defense.
These many people (unbelievers) in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in "their accomplishments/works" to save them and NOT IN CHRIST ALONE. Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved. *Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father.Finish reading the message. He doesn’t stop at verse 23 the message stops at verse 27. You who do lawlessness. Does that sound like not believing? No they didn’t act upon His words. He says this like 2 sentences after the verses you quoted.
I'm not saying that an empty profession of faith/dead faith that produces no works at all saves. (James 2:14) That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. We are saved through faith apart from the merit of works, (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) yet authentic does not remain apart from the presence of works. (James 2:14-24)D Taylor and Danthemailman are both saying faith without works saves.
The rock the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone.
Matthew 7:23 - And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' *Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved.* John 10:27 - My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. IN CONTRAST with verse 26 - But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you.
I'm not saying that an empty profession of faith/dead faith that produces no works at all saves. (James 2:14) That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. We are saved through faith apart from the merit of works, (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) yet authentic does not remain apart from the presence of works. (James 2:14-24)
Please plainly state then that we are saved through faith, not works. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate that there is no root. Man is saved through faith and not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9); yet genuine faith is substantiated, evidenced by works (James 2:14-26). Agreed?