The sun stood still

AV1611VET · Jul 24, 2020

SelfSim said:
Well, given the miraculous context, its not really worthy of an answer ..

Miracles can put an end to even the toughest debates!

Hans Blaster · Jul 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Check out this doosey:

2 Kings 20:11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

Not only did the earth suddenly stop, but it was suddenly put into reverse!

People soup!

Hans Blaster · Jul 24, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Miracles can put an end to even the toughest debates!

Invoking them does invalidate the whole notion of evidence as a means to test claims.

chilehed · Jul 25, 2020

AV1611VET said:
The rotation of the earth was stopped long enough for Joshua to win the battle.

DARN it, man! I was hoping to necro this thread in 2026 and set the record! YOU BLEW IT!

AV1611VET · Jul 25, 2020

chilehed said:
DARN it, man! I was hoping to necro this thread in 2026 and set the record! YOU BLEW IT!

I ... I'm sorry!

It just seemed like the right thing to do.

Ken-1122 · Jul 29, 2020

AV1611VET said:
The rotation of the earth was stopped long enough for Joshua to win the battle.

The sun (and moon) standing still are references from the point of the observer.

It's basic physics.

Planet Earth rotates approx 10,000 mph. What do you think the effect momentum would have, if the entire planet came to a screeching halt from 10,000mph to 0? Especially when you consider 2/3 of the Earth surface is water?

AV1611VET · Jul 29, 2020

Ken-1122 said:
Planet Earth rotates approx 10,000 mph. What do you think the effect momentum would have, if the entire planet came to a screeching halt from 10,000mph to 0? Especially when you consider 2/3 of the Earth surface is water?

It would be a mess, wouldn't it?

Yttrium · Jul 30, 2020

Ken-1122 said:
Planet Earth rotates approx 10,000 mph. What do you think the effect momentum would have, if the entire planet came to a screeching halt from 10,000mph to 0? Especially when you consider 2/3 of the Earth surface is water?

With an omnipotent supreme being doing it, no effect at all. I mean, we're talking about stopping the Earth's rotation in the first place. If one accepts that idea, then one should be willing to accept the additional necessary details.

Halbhh · Jul 30, 2020

dad said:
I was on another forum, and had this issue unresolved. Someone suggested that Joshua, and the miracle of the sun standing still was only possible in a merged world. I said it was merely a local intervention of the spiritual, of earth, and the moon. But is this impossible? I asked if perhaps the axis of the earth may have been changed, to make it so the day lasted longer. Anyone able to weigh in here?

Here is something I found on google.
"Donald Patten and his colleagues believe that the planet Mars passed by Earth in an unusually close orbit that caused the Earth to tilt on its axis (1973, pp. 172-198). Viewed from the right geographical location, the Sun actually would hang in the sky longer than normal." http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2189

Now, personally, I never considered mars as what did it, but what about the idea in general?

God can do the impossible. That is, not only amazing things that are very unlikely, but also things physics does not allow to happen on their own.

He doesn't need to use physics, or at least not any physics that we understand and know of so far.

Why think so? Because He is the creator of this physics we have. Ergo, He can alter it at will.

So, though it's interesting to speculate just using merely basic physics we know, I think instead this wasn't physics we know.

We don't know a way to cancel Earth's angular momentum, or to alter time, etc.

AV1611VET · Nov 4, 2020

Halbhh said:
God can do the impossible. That is, not only amazing things that are very unlikely, but also things physics does not allow to happen on their own.

He doesn't need to use physics, or at least not any physics that we understand and know of so far.

That is correct.

We call those things: miracles.

SkyWriting · Nov 4, 2020

Halbhh said:
God can do the impossible. That is, not only amazing things that are very unlikely, but also things physics does not allow to happen on their own.
He doesn't need to use physics, or at least not any physics that we understand and know of so far.

But that is how He works, none-the-less.

Halbhh · Nov 4, 2020

SkyWriting said:
But that is how He works, none-the-less.

Yes, endlessly (ok, not endlessly, but at least quite a few times

), I've said to people that they don't get exactly what others are saying pretty often, and end up arguing when they already agree.

Bungle_Bear · Nov 4, 2020

AV1611VET said:
Check out this doosey:

2 Kings 20:11 And Isaiah the prophet cried unto the LORD: and he brought the shadow ten degrees backward, by which it had gone down in the dial of Ahaz.

Not only did the earth suddenly stop, but it was suddenly put into reverse!

Only in that one place? How come nobody else noticed these miracles? The sun stands still for a day or goes backwards and the only people to take note are Hebrew storytellers? What happened in Egypt? Or Babylon? We know they were keeping records because that's how so much "biblical history" is corroborated, but no mention of these extraordinary events.

Let me guess - selective memory is all part of the miracle.....

JackRT · Nov 4, 2020

Ken-1122 said:
Planet Earth rotates approx 10,000 mph. What do you think the effect momentum would have, if the entire planet came to a screeching halt from 10,000mph to 0? Especially when you consider 2/3 of the Earth surface is water?

The rotational speed at the equator is 1,000 mph not 10,000 mph but your point is well taken.

Halbhh · Nov 4, 2020

Bungle_Bear said:
Only in that one place? How come nobody else noticed these miracles? The sun stands still for a day or goes backwards and the only people to take note are Hebrew storytellers? What happened in Egypt? Or Babylon? We know they were keeping records because that's how so much "biblical history" is corroborated, but no mention of these extraordinary events.

Let me guess - selective memory is all part of the miracle.....

I don't have to guess -- in scripture it's very explicit that God wants those who will trust him before seeing proof, called "faith", and therefore all easy proof is removed, so as to allow faith to happen. Thus we can surmise that God is able to test then which people can trust Him in a truly full loving way. Like you'd need for an eternal relationship. It's quite logical actually.

Bungle_Bear · Nov 4, 2020

Halbhh said:
I don't have to guess -- in scripture it's very explicit that God wants those who will trust him before seeing proof, called "faith", and therefore all easy proof is removed, so as to allow faith to happen. Thus we can surmise that God is able to test then which people can trust Him in a truly full loving way. Like you'd need for an eternal relationship. It's quite logical actually.

God makes the sun stand still. The story is written down about 900 years later by (surprise!) a highly biased author. No other culture anywhere in the world has any record of the event. That's ignoring the fact that the long day was provided so that Joshua and his army could murder more people. For a God who claims he wants us all to love him, he relies an awful lot on wonton violence and deceit. Please explain how that is logical.

FrumiousBandersnatch · Nov 5, 2020

Bungle_Bear said:
God makes the sun stand still. The story is written down about 900 years later by (surprise!) a highly biased author. No other culture anywhere in the world has any record of the event. That's ignoring the fact that the long day was provided so that Joshua and his army could murder more people. For a God who claims he wants us all to love him, he relies an awful lot on wonton violence and deceit. Please explain how that is logical.

It sounds like the elitist appeal of a classic 'Emperor's New Clothes' con...

Ophiolite · Nov 5, 2020

Bungle_Bear said:
he relies an awful lot on wonton violence and deceit.

I would like to know more about this wonton violence. How are the wontons (a Chinese cuisine dumpling, often served in soup) actually used? Are they thrown? Forced down people's throats? Used to damage property? Members of Christian Forums have a right to know!

Bungle_Bear · Nov 5, 2020

Ophiolite said:
I would like to know more about this wonton violence. How are the wontons (a Chinese cuisine dumpling, often served in soup) actually used? Are they thrown? Forced down people's throats? Used to damage property? Members of Christian Forums have a right to know!

Singapore spellchecker. Take with a dip of soy sauce or chili sauce. Yum.

TexFire316 · Nov 5, 2020

If we are on a blue marble spinning around a ball of fire, while being hurdled through nothingness... Highly unlikely.

How do we expect to believe what God is telling us, when we ourselves, pick and choose what we want to believe? Fuzzy math, not withstanding.

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