Should A Christian Man Marry A Divorced Woman?

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Well, I don't think Paul specifically asserted that divorcees should remarry, but all his reasons for young widows to remarry would apply as well (or even more so) for women who were abandoned by pagan husbands.
He didn't, but he would have given the same directive to the younger divorcees. I added the last paragraph to the post you replied to, as a qualification to what I declared in brackets.

I don't base my judgements on what Paul (or the other apostles) wrote or didn't write, but on what the Spirit behind all of them would have directed.
 
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Paul advised that younger widows (and divorcees) should look to remarry.

You lay a lot at Paul’s feet there. I can’t find that verse. Are you using extra biblical sources?

The moral rules God gave us apply equally to both genders, as do the consequences of when we break them.

I don’t believe you can neuter moral verses pertaining to divorce, adultery and marriage. The rules were always different for men and women in the scriptures. I don’t think you can just swap man and woman in these verses and call it good. A man could have two wives in those days, a woman could not have two husbands, it would have been considered wickedness. So we disagree on that.
 
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I don't base my judgements on what Paul (or the other apostles) wrote or didn't write, but on what the Spirit behind all of them would have directed.

Didn’t see that before. Ok, I understand. I had wanted to discuss this subject based on what is written in the Word, but that is not how you are approaching he subject. I had mentioned if the Word isn’t the standard then there could be no agreement in my first post.

I wouldn’t argue against your conclusions or make a deal about it, but your conclusions would not make me feel comfortable marrying a divorced woman, as marriage is optional for me and I found no written exception clause in the New Testament scriptures to do so unless I neuter those verses pertaining to divorce, adultery and remarriage (which you do, but I don’t for the reasons I had listed).

I don’t judge someone’s situation, only my own. Sometimes the law is broken out of necessity, like when David ate the consecrated bread. I simply have no necessity in this area to risk the trespass, I just don’t find the verses...without making them gender neutral...which I think is incorrect for this subject.
 
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On a different note. I have found on dating websites that allow a person to list themselves as either single or divorced, that some divorced women are listing themselves as single, these are Christian women. I had to specifically ask them if they were ever married in chat before they fessed up that they were indeed divorced, then I would ask why and some didn’t have reasons that even Tony B would approve of for remarriage, such as money issues, or trust issues, or oh that was an early marriage those don’t really work out and such.

I think it would be ok (in light of scripture) for any truly single Christian woman to marry me due to the particulars of my divorce, but I still list my status as divorced because some women have a conviction regarding it based on their church teachings or their particular understanding on the matter. It’s no problem to me, everyone has to walk in the light they have. I wouldn’t ever consider bypassing the divorce status and selecting single...because it is an issue to many Christians.

Be careful out there.
 
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Didn’t see that before. Ok, I understand. I had wanted to discuss this subject based on what is written in the Word, but that is not how you are approaching he subject. I had mentioned if the Word isn’t the standard then there could be no agreement in my first post.

I wouldn’t argue against your conclusions or make a deal about it, but your conclusions would not make me feel comfortable marrying a divorced woman, as marriage is optional for me and I found no written exception clause in the New Testament scriptures to do so unless I neuter those verses pertaining to divorce, adultery and remarriage (which you do, but I don’t for the reasons I had listed).

I don’t judge someone’s situation, only my own. Sometimes the law is broken out of necessity, like when David ate the consecrated bread. I simply have no necessity in this area to risk the trespass, I just don’t find the verses...without making them gender neutral...which I think is incorrect for this subject.
Just giving a broad response to your post SL:

spiritual truths can only be spiritually discerned, you have to be born again, your spirit brought to life, to have the counsel of The Holy Spirit working within you, it is He that imparts understanding of the scriptures, and The Spirit behind them.

No one will find answers in the Bible to every situation they will encounter in life. If they rely solely on their understanding of the Bible, or what it states, they are bound to sooner or later fall into making literal judgements, which may well end up being diametrically opposed to what God would say if He was directly in front of them.

God has also positioned in His church, prophets, that are able to annunciate His ways that may not be specifically recorded in The Bible. The prophet of God won't contradict what was recorded, but can give further understanding.

There is a caveat here though, a warning from the apostle:
Let what the prophet has declared as being from God, be scrutinised by other prophets of God to verify its validity.

We all must learn to discern what The Spirit's voice and instruction is.
 
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I don’t judge someone’s situation
I realise you are not meaning to judge another SL, but by accident you are. For to declare a lady that has been unjustly divorced as not being eligible for remarriage, you have effectively declared them as being in the wrong, whereas they were victims of the abuse and immorality of their husbands. You are inadvertently treating them unjustly.

You of course aren't personally obliged to marry a divorced lady, but God won't be impressed if we judge someone as unrighteous, albeit unintentially, when He has declared that person as righteous. Imagine the extra grief/hurt we will be causing the lady that has been mistreated this way, and she being a daughter of God too.

Thank you for your honesty, and openness.
 
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Just giving a broad response to your post SL:

spiritual truths can only be spiritually discerned, you have to be born again, your spirit brought to life, to have the counsel of The Holy Spirit working within you, it is He that imparts understanding of the scriptures, and The Spirit behind them.

No one will find answers in the Bible to every situation they will encounter in life. If they rely solely on their understanding of the Bible, or what it states, they are bound to sooner or later fall into making literal judgements, which may well end up being diametrically opposed to what God would say if He was directly in front of them.

God has also positioned in His church, prophets, that are able to annunciate His ways that may not be specifically recorded in The Bible. The prophet of God won't contradict what was recorded, but can give further understanding.

There is a caveat here though, a warning from the apostle:
Let what the prophet has declared as being from God, be scrutinised by other prophets of God to verify its validity.

We all must learn to discern what The Spirit's voice and instruction is.

I understand what you are saying. I am born again. I also test things according to the Word to see if they are so, as a good Berean, so to speak. This particular issue was discussed some in the New Testament, so I look to those verses to see what they say.

The fact that you come to the conclusion that these verses can be made gender neutral makes me question your understanding of the subject, because it most certainly was not a gender neutral moral subject in the times the scriptures were written, I give the example of a man with two wives in biblical times...one of the wives couldn’t claim he committed adultery with his other wife and bring him before the council for that...or divorce him for that and remarry...the rules were different, they always were, though I do understand most of the modern church has made it gender neutral, but then look at all the trespass in this area in the modern church...real trespasses are going on regarding this subject, in the church.

I wouldn’t judge your conclusion though, if you were the leader of the church and allowed an abandoned divorce woman to remarry. I wouldn’t say much at all on it...due its possible necessity. I wouldn’t be the one marrying her though, because I don’t see where it is allowed for me as an optional choice. I am not a church leader, so my thoughts stay with me mostly, but I felt I could discuss it on this thread, because it was specifically about this topic, maybe it rubs people wrong when I share my thoughts, but I see the church erring quite a bit on this subject, even in ways that many of us would agree are trespasses.
 
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I realise you are not meaning to judge another SL, but by accident you are. For to declare a lady that has been unjustly divorced as not being eligible for remarriage, you have effectively declared them as being in the wrong, whereas they were victims of the abuse and immorality of their husbands. You are inadvertently treating them unjustly.

You of course aren't personally obliged to marry a divorced lady, but God won't be impressed if we judge someone as unrighteous, albeit unintentially, when He has declared that person as righteous. Imagine the extra grief/hurt we will be causing the lady that has been mistreated this way, and she being a daughter of God too.

Thank you for your honesty, and openness.

I understand, but also, by this standard we could not discuss nearly any of the subjects in this section.

I don’t think you would have any problem telling a divorced woman was wrong to remarry, so long as the reasons suited your thoughts, but as for my thoughts, you seem to think I should keep them to myself, even though I am using the scriptures to bear out the subject, and you won’t agree to that standard.

Basically, by your standard you are putting on me there, nothing controversial can be discussed, unless you agree with all the discussion, else you fault people for making other people feel bad and feel guilty.

So is that it? I mean do you feel the entire thread shouldn’t even be here lest we make someone feel extra hurt and grief?

Of course my points would be brought up...because they are based on the Word, so they are bound to be found here in this thread by people.

Right?

If your thoughts are that this discussion shouldn’t be held in public, ok, that’s a valid position, it has some merits. Maybe that should be a thread, on if these types of conversations can even be publicly discussed, I would be interested to hear people’s thoughts on that.
 
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I understand, but also, by this standard we could not discuss nearly any of the subjects in this section.

I don’t think you would have any problem telling a divorced woman was wrong to remarry, so long as the reasons suited your thoughts, but as for my thoughts, you seem to think I should keep them to myself, even though I am using the scriptures to bear out the subject, and you won’t agree to that standard.

Basically, by your standard you are putting on me there, nothing controversial can be discussed, unless you agree with all the discussion, else you fault people for making other people feel bad and feel guilty.

So is that it? I mean do you feel the entire thread shouldn’t even be here lest we make someone feel extra hurt and grief?

Of course my points would be brought up...because they are based on the Word, so they are bound to be found here in this thread by people.

Right?

If your thoughts are that this discussion shouldn’t be held in public, ok, that’s a valid position, it has some merits. Maybe that should be a thread, on if these types of conversations can even be publicly discussed, I would be interested to hear people’s thoughts on that.

I think you might have misunderstood my motivation for commenting on your post. And I fear I may have misinterpreted your motivation behind yours.

I'm not meaning to chastise you in any way, but I was keen to present an alternative interpretation to what you believe the scriptures say in respect of a divorced person.

And my interpretation of scripture is this...all the references made to divorced persons in the New Testament are of those that were found guilty of sin leading to divorce, or that divorced their partner even though it was not justified.

If you come to that same conclusion then you will also conclude that it would be unfair to force an 'innocent' party to a divorce to not remarry, they should be allowed to remarry without fear of being classed as an adulterer. Also, the person that marries them, providing they themselves are eligible to marry, will not be committing adultery either.

However, if any one marries a person that has been rightfully divorced because of their immorality, or marries a person that has divorced their partner unjustly, they will be committing adultery with that person.

Some people prefer not to 'get mixed up with a divorced person', even though the divorced person is eligible to remarry. That's up to them, no one will hold any incrimination against them...each to their own. But to forbid a divorced person to marry without understanding the background to their divorce, may well be prejudicial and unfair, and therefore ungodly.

You have every right to raise the thread and post. It is a discussion that needs to be had. There is much erroneous interpretation out there, and there is nothing wrong with having disagreements, for as the apostle indicated it is through these that the truth will out.

Shalom
 
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You lay a lot at Paul’s feet there. I can’t find that verse. Are you using extra biblical sources?



I don’t believe you can neuter moral verses pertaining to divorce, adultery and marriage. The rules were always different for men and women in the scriptures. I don’t think you can just swap man and woman in these verses and call it good. A man could have two wives in those days, a woman could not have two husbands, it would have been considered wickedness. So we disagree on that.

If you're going to quote Jesus, you have to quote Jesus. Jesus asserted marriage as a covenant between one man and one woman, joined inviolate, and that Mosaic exceptions, including polygamy, were a matter of the hardness of their hearts, not a matter of His absolute righteousness. And a hardened heart is also sin in the absolute righteousness of Christ.

In the absolute righteousness of Christ, every situation falling short of "one man, one woman joined inviolate" is sin. That is true of all divorces, because every divorce is a matter of a hardened heart on one or both parts, toward adultery or toward unforgiveness. If there is any argument to be had, Jesus spoke more strongly against unforgiveness as strictly as He did against adultery, asserting clearly that continued unforgiveness will also certainly lead to eternal hellfire.

When characterizing the situation of a woman unjustly divorced (that is, divorced for any reason other than unrepented adultery) Jesus said the woman is caused--by the unjust divorcing husband--to commit adultery. Jesus does not mearly identify the fact that sin is involved in that situation, He also identifies who caused the sin...and it's the hard-hearted husband who unjustly divorces her.

As for the consequences of the cause of the sin, Jesus asserts that it's better for such people to be thrown into the sea with a millstone around their necks.

Jesus is not a martinet. Jesus knows who is the cause of every sin, and it's that person who bears the guilt.
 
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I understand what you are saying. I am born again. I also test things according to the Word to see if they are so, as a good Berean, so to speak. This particular issue was discussed some in the New Testament, so I look to those verses to see what they say.

The fact that you come to the conclusion that these verses can be made gender neutral makes me question your understanding of the subject, because it most certainly was not a gender neutral moral subject in the times the scriptures were written, I give the example of a man with two wives in biblical times...one of the wives couldn’t claim he committed adultery with his other wife and bring him before the council for that...or divorce him for that and remarry...the rules were different, they always were, though I do understand most of the modern church has made it gender neutral, but then look at all the trespass in this area in the modern church...real trespasses are going on regarding this subject, in the church.

I wouldn’t judge your conclusion though, if you were the leader of the church and allowed an abandoned divorce woman to remarry. I wouldn’t say much at all on it...due its possible necessity. I wouldn’t be the one marrying her though, because I don’t see where it is allowed for me as an optional choice. I am not a church leader, so my thoughts stay with me mostly, but I felt I could discuss it on this thread, because it was specifically about this topic, maybe it rubs people wrong when I share my thoughts, but I see the church erring quite a bit on this subject, even in ways that many of us would agree are trespasses.

If you check the Old Testament, you will see that the only cases in which God recommended polygamy was when a woman was left widowed without children. In that case, the brother of the widow's deceased husband was to become her husband and thus provide children to care for her in her old age. In God's economy, the valid purpose of polygamy was to care for the widow. Jesus made it clear that any situation other than "one man, one woman, joined inviolate" was a variance from His absolute righteousness, and that included polygamy.

It became clear through scripture by the time of Christ that every other case of polygamy noted in scripture resulted in discord and unhappiness, even if God eventually turned the situation to His good. By the time of Jesus, polygamy had become rare among Jews.

And also, by the time of Jesus polygamy was already prohibited by law among Romans and Greeks--the people to whom Paul preached.

So you're actually incorrect when you assert that polygamy was a righteous state even then.
 
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Is this scripture below saying a Christian man should only marry a divorced woman if her divorce was because of sexual immorality or a Christian man should never marry a divorced woman full stop?

Because we are Christians, we have the ability to forgive others all their faults and not judge.

Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.

Luke 17:3-4
Pay attention to yourselves! If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him, and if he sins against you seven times in the day, and turns to you seven times, saying, ‘I repent,’ you must forgive him.”

Luke 6:37
“Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

Mark 11:25
And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”
 
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Do you have some biblical example?

Colossians 3:13
Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offenses.

Matthew 18:21-22
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.

Hebrews 10:17
Then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

Romans 5:20
Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
 
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So you're actually incorrect when you assert that polygamy was a righteous state even then.

Ephesians 4:32
Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
 
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I realise you are not meaning to judge another SL, but by accident you are. For to declare a lady that has been unjustly divorced as not being eligible for remarriage, you have effectively declared them as being in the wrong, whereas they were victims of the abuse and immorality of their husbands. You are inadvertently treating them unjustly.

You of course aren't personally obliged to marry a divorced lady, but God won't be impressed if we judge someone as unrighteous, albeit unintentially, when He has declared that person as righteous. Imagine the extra grief/hurt we will be causing the lady that has been mistreated this way, and she being a daughter of God too.

Thank you for your honesty, and openness.
Thank you for this, Tony <3
 
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I think you might have misunderstood my motivation for commenting on your post. And I fear I may have misinterpreted your motivation behind yours.

I'm not meaning to chastise you in any way, but I was keen to present an alternative interpretation to what you believe the scriptures say in respect of a divorced person.

And my interpretation of scripture is this...all the references made to divorced persons in the New Testament are of those that were found guilty of sin leading to divorce, or that divorced their partner even though it was not justified.

If you come to that same conclusion then you will also conclude that it would be unfair to force an 'innocent' party to a divorce to not remarry, they should be allowed to remarry without fear of being classed as an adulterer. Also, the person that marries them, providing they themselves are eligible to marry, will not be committing adultery either.

However, if any one marries a person that has been rightfully divorced because of their immorality, or marries a person that has divorced their partner unjustly, they will be committing adultery with that person.

Some people prefer not to 'get mixed up with a divorced person', even though the divorced person is eligible to remarry. That's up to them, no one will hold any incrimination against them...each to their own. But to forbid a divorced person to marry without understanding the background to their divorce, may well be prejudicial and unfair, and therefore ungodly.

You have every right to raise the thread and post. It is a discussion that needs to be had. There is much erroneous interpretation out there, and there is nothing wrong with having disagreements, for as the apostle indicated it is through these that the truth will out.

Shalom

Yes, well, those are good points to be made.

When I say I don’t judge someone for remarrying, I suppose what I am saying is that If I was at the wedding, I wouldn’t object, you know when they give a chance to object or forever hold your peace...I would just hold my peace. I would still talk to and interact with the people as my brothers and sisters. I wouldn’t hold it against them.
I would not try to stir up councils and trials for them and make problems for them, nor will it be me accusing them in heaven. Basically I wouldn’t think much on it at all.

And all of this because I realize sometimes there are shortcomings in sticking with the Word when people encounter certain necessities in life, though even in that area we must be extremely careful, because it is not always ok, probably a lot of times God doesn’t approve of what we decided was ok and sometimes it can get you in downright immediate trouble, like if someone worships the beast to save their own skin for instance.

One area where I think it is worth mentioning, is there are so many women who are divorcing their husbands because he committed some sexual immorality such as fornication or caught him looking at inappropriate contentography or something. Certainly not comfortable about marrying her. One thing, it was not considered adultery (remember adultery was a capital crime) for a married man to have sex with another woman in biblical times...unless the woman was married. It would have been called whoremongering or fornication if the woman was single, and he may have even been forced to marry her in certain circumstances (in addition to his first wife). Also, sometimes men were obliged to marry another woman if their brother’s wife died or such...would it have been ok for the first wife to then call that adultery and leave him and marry another? I think not, it would be a misunderstanding of what is adultery and what is not. Complicated issue.

Raises questions on a lot of what we see going on in the church. My main point being, much of the church is giving license for women to divorce their husbands and remarry for reasons that would not even have been accepted in Old Testament times...and the New Testament teachings are actually stricter on this subject.

It is dangerous out there. I am not completely sure it is ok for me to discuss all these things in a public forum like this, I don’t want to cause people distress, though I submit the Word might cause people distress on this issue as well...till someone dissuades them otherwise. Yes, let me ponder that some. In the meantime, if someone sees my first post and actually shows me where I am wrong with the actual Word, then I would be interested to see that, but it seems unlikely anyone could do that because I actually studied this quite a bit before speaking, making proper distinctions that a lot of people don’t seem to be making.
 
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Is this scripture below saying a Christian man should only marry a divorced woman if her divorce was because of sexual immorality or a Christian man should never marry a divorced woman full stop?
If the man does marry a divorced women would that mean his sins are going to be continuous in adultery as long as he is in that relationship, just as if someone carried on with fornication or any other sin after coming to and accepting Christ. Which would then make his sinning wilful after being saved.

31"Furthermore it has been said,
"Whoever divorces his wife, let him give
her a certificate of divorce.'
32But I say to you that whoever divorces
his wife for any reason except sexual
immorality causes her to commit
adultery; and whoever marries a woman
who is divorced commits adultery.
No.
 
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Some people prefer not to 'get mixed up with a divorced person', even though the divorced person is eligible to remarry. That's up to them, no one will hold any incrimination against them...each to their own.

I'm in that camp. I've seen this firsthand with a close friend. Her mother went through hell with his ex-wife. That isn't the case for everyone of course. But I saw enough to solidify my position. I don't date divorced men nor will I mentor someone considering a divorced prospect. That's my line but I won't prevent someone from acting on their convictions. To each his own.

Yours in His Service,

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If you check the Old Testament, you will see that the only cases in which God recommended polygamy was when a woman was left widowed without children. In that case, the brother of the widow's deceased husband was to become her husband and thus provide children to care for her in her old age. In God's economy, the valid purpose of polygamy was to care for the widow. Jesus made it clear that any situation other than "one man, one woman, joined inviolate" was a variance from His absolute righteousness, and that included polygamy.

It became clear through scripture by the time of Christ that every other case of polygamy noted in scripture resulted in discord and unhappiness, even if God eventually turned the situation to His good. By the time of Jesus, polygamy had become rare among Jews.

And also, by the time of Jesus polygamy was already prohibited by law among Romans and Greeks--the people to whom Paul preached.

So you're actually incorrect when you assert that polygamy was a righteous state even then.

There is a whole discussion on polygamy over in a different thread if we were to discuss the particulars, which I am not inclined to do. Here was one I saw:
Is polygamy a sin

My main point is that a man having more than one wife was not considered adultery. A woman having more than one husband would have not only been considered adultery, but against natural law and called wickedness.
Therefore due to these types of distinctions you can not neuter discussions on marriage, adultery and remarriage and call it good because the rules were always different. I will give two quick biblical type examples of how that could go wrong in a hurry:

A married man’s brother died and he takes his deceased brother’s wife to give his brother offspring, according to the law. His first wife tries to say that is adultery and leaves him and marries another....she is incorrect in her assessment.

A married man commits fornication with a virgin...the virgin’s family demands that he marry her. The mans first wife calls this adultery and drags him to the council saying he should be put to death for adultery...she is incorrect in her assessment.

My only point I am making on this, is not what is perfect, but that you cannot neuter the verses and think it’s all good, it doesn’t work that way, and it never has. But today this seems to slip people’s attention.

Even today there could be men who have multiple wives who come to the faith (this isn’t fanciful, many Muslim men have multiple wives and could convert to Christianity). It would be incorrect to tell him he is committing adultery. You can’t neuter the verses. If a woman today came to the faith, while having multiple husbands...she would have to make a change, that is not acceptable, and never has been. Again, my entire point, you can’t make these verses gender neutral and call it good.

And now back to Jesus’ words on marriage, adultery and remarriage. Based on what I mentioned, keep the genders in place, on his words, and on all the New Testament scriptures pertaining to this subject.
Also this brings up a good point, we must have an answer for the huge multitudes of men with multiple wives (there are hundreds of millions of Muslims, near two billion, it’s not an obscure thing) who will come to the Christian faith. With the churches current common gender neutral teachings on these subject it could lead to some dire mistakes, for instance if a person recommends he abandon all but his first wife, and leave them destitute. We must have an answer for these issues, and cannot make huge mistakes here.
 
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