abortion after being raped - what is your opinion?

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Halo everybody,

when I was young and I was just 18, not yet finished school and living with my parents, my mother gave me toxic mushrooms from russia to eat. We were in Russia in the woods. She did not know they have to be cooked 3 times and the water changed. I ate all of them. I had 3 days severe hallucinations. One hallucination was I would be pregnant, though I was not having any sex with anybody, believing in no sex before marriage LAUGH. But the pressure on me became so strong! I thought my mother will kill me. So I tried to buy abortion pills on the market in Russia, though I did not find any. Really I wonder why God made me mature when I am already 37. NOW I would not kill any child. But not at that time, where people usually get pregnant.

I did not judge women who do abortion and will not, because the pressure from all sides and at last financially(you can get your child taken away from you!) is devastating.

Well on another forum there is a woman, about 22 years or so. She was raped. And she is in the six week of pregnancy. I told her not to kill the child, for this was her question. But sincerely I could not judge her in any case. Because in Germany the law does not protect such women. Even in this case the man could fight for his rights to see the child and rape it again!!! And it happens! And nobody does anything!!! I also watched one time a video about Sabbatina James, the anti-islam fighter, who also hides such raped women, who do not want to deliver their childs to such a man.

Is it true what the church tells, that from the very beginning you should not even take the 24 ours pill after sex???? Or is church just telling this, that later on, it will not be allowed more and more and more delay to do abortion? What is your sincere thinking? I know we should all listen to the church but for me the 24 hours pill would be acceptable.
 
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A THREE day pyslosibyn trip?

I'm sceptical lol.
You are not the first one who is sceptical hearing my story. In another forum I was called a liar until a knowing person appeared and exactly told that with this mushrooms it was possible. I always forget their name. Their are considered deadly in Germany but are eaten in Russia.
 
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I talked to a doctor because I was eating normal mushrooms years later and the hallucinations came back. So the doctor told me it was because of the toxic of these mushrooms still in my body. But now I can eat normal mushrooms too.
 
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I talked to a doctor because I was eating normal mushrooms years later and the hallucinations came back. So the doctor told me it was because of the toxic of these mushrooms still in my body. But now I can eat normal mushrooms too.
to answer your question. Generally the church considers life to begin at conception. Abortion at any time is the killing of a child.
 
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You are not the first one who is sceptical hearing my story. In another forum I was called a liar until a knowing person appeared and exactly told that with this mushrooms it was possible. I always forget their name. Their are considered deadly in Germany but are eaten in Russia.

I wouldn't call you a liar, but generally a trip lasts about six hours. It depends entirely on your brain chemistry though - I mean, I've HEARD of an afterglow effect lasting for several days, but never a peak trip.

That isn't to say it doesn't happen.

Either way, you have nothing to prove to me. It's not my job to cast judgements regarding abortions OR life changing decisions pertaining to someone else's body - so if in doubt, ask your pastor or *a* pastor for sound advice. It's not my place to advise on that.
 
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I have a dear friend in Christ, a man a generation older than myself, whose daughter was raped and became pregnant by that rape. A complicating factor, truth of society being told, was that she is white and the rapist was black.

In her case, she chose to keep the baby. That baby is now a lovely woman in her late twenties who is the favorite grandchild of my friend and a delight in the community.

BUT...he is honest about how difficult the situation was, and that the outcome was possible only because they totally cocooned their daughter in love, support, and protection from the very beginning. They had to break off many friendships that turned out not to be friendships at all. He is also honest that he has seen clearly that a woman in that situation is so damaged and vulnerable in so many ways, and society is brutal in so many ways, he would not judge a woman for having an abortion without such support as the family gave to his daughter (and that wasn't easy for them, either).
 
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Halo everybody,

when I was young and I was just 18, not yet finished school and living with my parents, my mother gave me toxic mushrooms from russia to eat. We were in Russia in the woods. She did not know they have to be cooked 3 times and the water changed. I ate all of them. I had 3 days severe hallucinations. One hallucination was I would be pregnant, though I was not having any sex with anybody, believing in no sex before marriage LAUGH. But the pressure on me became so strong! I thought my mother will kill me. So I tried to buy abortion pills on the market in Russia, though I did not find any. Really I wonder why God made me mature when I am already 37. NOW I would not kill any child. But not at that time, where people usually get pregnant.

I did not judge women who do abortion and will not, because the pressure from all sides and at last financially(you can get your child taken away from you!) is devastating.

Well on another forum there is a woman, about 22 years or so. She was raped. And she is in the six week of pregnancy. I told her not to kill the child, for this was her question. But sincerely I could not judge her in any case. Because in Germany the law does not protect such women. Even in this case the man could fight for his rights to see the child and rape it again!!! And it happens! And nobody does anything!!! I also watched one time a video about Sabbatina James, the anti-islam fighter, who also hides such raped women, who do not want to deliver their childs to such a man.

Is it true what the church tells, that from the very beginning you should not even take the 24 ours pill after sex???? Or is church just telling this, that later on, it will not be allowed more and more and more delay to do abortion? What is your sincere thinking? I know we should all listen to the church but for me the 24 hours pill would be acceptable.


There are many reasons not to have sex with passers-by and killing your unborn child is a pretty good reason not to. And there are other mental and physical health reasons. One of my grandkids has severe mental maturity problems and I don't judge most of his violence against other family members and pets. Not everyone is perfect enough to judge others' faults.
 
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If a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant or not , it’s her choice . I have no say in the matter . Doesn’t matter how she got pregnant, all that matters is if she wants to be pregnant or to have a baby. If she does she has to decide if her support system is going to help her or abuse her. Some women and girls abort simply because they know that they’re going to be abused either emotionally or physically . No one else can make those decisions for the woman and they shouldn’t make those decisions.
 
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Halo everybody,

when I was young and I was just 18, not yet finished school and living with my parents, my mother gave me toxic mushrooms from russia to eat. We were in Russia in the woods. She did not know they have to be cooked 3 times and the water changed. I ate all of them. I had 3 days severe hallucinations. One hallucination was I would be pregnant, though I was not having any sex with anybody, believing in no sex before marriage LAUGH. But the pressure on me became so strong! I thought my mother will kill me. So I tried to buy abortion pills on the market in Russia, though I did not find any. Really I wonder why God made me mature when I am already 37. NOW I would not kill any child. But not at that time, where people usually get pregnant.

I did not judge women who do abortion and will not, because the pressure from all sides and at last financially(you can get your child taken away from you!) is devastating.

Well on another forum there is a woman, about 22 years or so. She was raped. And she is in the six week of pregnancy. I told her not to kill the child, for this was her question. But sincerely I could not judge her in any case. Because in Germany the law does not protect such women. Even in this case the man could fight for his rights to see the child and rape it again!!! And it happens! And nobody does anything!!! I also watched one time a video about Sabbatina James, the anti-islam fighter, who also hides such raped women, who do not want to deliver their childs to such a man.

Is it true what the church tells, that from the very beginning you should not even take the 24 ours pill after sex???? Or is church just telling this, that later on, it will not be allowed more and more and more delay to do abortion? What is your sincere thinking? I know we should all listen to the church but for me the 24 hours pill would be acceptable.

If you were under the old Law before church , you wouldn't be punished for taking 24h after sex pill , you would be alredy stoned to death for fornication btw.

Basically you are supposed to have husband , and your husband can use condom or you can use it , another option is castration of some sort.

There are no other options , when sperm meets egg there is flash of light and thats where life begins any 24h pill is simply murder so if you used it , each time you murder your baby.

About the rape and abortion:
- you can leave newborn baby in one of these windows in hospital which cause you to lose all rights to the baby but it will survive this way
- if you were forced to abort baby , the person who forced you is responsible and not you or the doctor who did this same way as Jews are responsible for killing Jesus and not roman soldiers who nailed him to cross
- if you were raped and nobody forced you to abort it , by aborting it yourself ,you commit murder simple as that
 
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If a woman doesn’t want to be pregnant or not , it’s her choice . I have no say in the matter . Doesn’t matter how she got pregnant, all that matters is if she wants to be pregnant or to have a baby. If she does she has to decide if her support system is going to help her or abuse her. Some women and girls abort simply because they know that they’re going to be abused either emotionally or physically . No one else can make those decisions for the woman and they shouldn’t make those decisions.
The obvious problem with this position is that it completely and utterly disregards the life of the unborn as a worthless inconvenience that has no moral worth and value on its own.

As Christians, we should take a much more sober approach to the topic. This isn't something we want to get wrong. I would be terrified to say the words that Brightmoon just said and find out, standing before God, that I was wrong. Imaging recommending to someone that it's no big deal for them to get an abortion, and to then find out that God considered the growing human being that He was knitting together in that womb as something morally precious.

We know Biblically that all human beings are created in His Image and possess inherent moral worth and value.

We know scientifically that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization, and spends a good 25 years growing and developing.

Put those two things together, that should give anyone advocating for abortion pause. Especially knowing that 98.5% of abortions are performed for convenience reasons.

It really comes down to who are we going to choose to listen to. Are we actually Christians? Do we actually believe in God? Do we actually believe Scripture is authoritative and inspired by the Holy Spirit? Or do we think its an archaic book and believe it in theory, but not really in practice.

Scripture tells us we are morally valuable. Scripture doesn't discriminate against humans based upon their age, level of development, location of residence - so why are we?
 
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In cases of rape, incest or the life of the pregnant woman, she should have the choice and no one else.
What about in cases where the pregnancy was the result of two happily married, wealthy, early 30s, without any sort of complication - should she also have the choice and no one else?
 
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What about in cases where the pregnancy was the result of two happily married, wealthy, early 30s, without any sort of complication - should she also have the choice and no one else?
The thread is about pregnancies involving rape.
 
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The thread is about pregnancies involving rape.
So why did you say "In cases of rape, incest or the life of the pregnant woman, she should have the choice and no one else." instead of "In cases of rape she should have the choice and no one else."

You seemed to choose to broaden the scope, so I was asking you to clarify. If you want to stick to just rape, then you should probably stick to.... just rape.
 
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So why did you say "In cases of rape, incest or the life of the pregnant woman, she should have the choice and no one else." instead of "In cases of rape she should have the choice and no one else."

Because I put those three things together.

You seemed to choose to broaden the scope, so I was asking you to clarify. If you want to stick to just rape, then you should probably stick to.... just rape.

Not really broadening the scope. Rape, incest and life of the pregnant woman are rather limited. If you don’t like my response just ignore it.
 
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If you don’t like my response just ignore it.
I didn't like or dislike your response. I was just asking you to clarify something else, in addition to rape. I figured since you had no problem addressing issues outside of rape that you wouldn't mind addressing some other issues outside of rape.

My bad!
 
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