AMAZING FUN FACTS ON GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT AND SUNDAY WORSHIP!

clefty, could you fix the middle part of your post? I really do not want anyone reading the post to get the wrong impression of what I was responsible for writing

Bob S said:

Well that is really not true. Jesus plainly stated in Jn5:24 24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, the one who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

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True, God not only wants us to hear His words but DO His words Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Bob S said:

clefty, could you fix the middle part of your post? I really do not want anyone reading the post to get the wrong impression of what I was responsible for writing

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done...yes yes let’s not misrepresent around here...

imge said:

True, God not only wants us to hear His words but DO His words Revelations 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

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There WERE a lot of commandments imge. Would you step up to the plate and clarify "His commandments". Out of the 613 commands God gave to Israel, which ones do not merit our keeping. If I would want to follow the beliefs you hold true I need to know how SDAs are able to only choose certain commandments and cull the remainder.

clefty said:

done...yes yes let’s not misrepresent around here...

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You are welcome.

RBPerry said:

I was raised SDA, including their schools, MBA and Loma Linda.
We all know Constantine changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday to appease the sun god worshipers.
I suggest we worship God seven days a week, if you can only have Tuesdays off, then make that your day of rest. The day of rest was made for man.
Since Jesus broke the Sabbath laws and clearly stated that the day of rest was for man. Think about it, don't get stuck on tradition.

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Total propaganda, can you please provide evidence that Constantine made this decision? The truth is Constantine didn’t make any decisions at Nicaea. The church was persecuted for over 200 years because they rejected pagan worship and now your saying that they all the sudden unanimously embraced it with no resistance whatsoever. Can you provide a single shred of evidence that the church ever proclaimed that it was acceptable to worship any other god than the One True God of Israel? No you can’t because it doesn’t exist. Why do you say they agreed to worship the sun god?

Bob S said:

You are welcome.

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lol...actually thought you were ignoring me...

glad an error on my part is still noted by you...please feel free to find others...

oh and good to be wrong about you...cuz you DO care about proper representation

BNR32FAN said:

Can you provide a single shred of evidence that the church ever proclaimed that it was acceptable to worship any other god than the One True God of Israel? No you can’t because it doesn’t exist.

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2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 § 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

This claim establishes that the One True God of Israel changed His day...

He did NOT...

Thus the universal Church worships another god who DID change the day he is worshipped...and in accordance to the false witness of slandering Jews that claimed "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" Luke however was clear it was FALSE WITNESS...Acts 6:13-14 as the One True God of Israel did NOT change His day made for WHOSOEVER believes...and obeys

ironically the Jews themselves no longer worship the One True God of Israel...as He begot a Son...and their god did NOT...

Titus 1:14 is good advise...sadly rejected ALL this time...ALAS

clefty said:

2192 "Sunday . . . is to be observed as the foremost holy day of obligation in the universal Church" (CIC, can. 1246 § 1). "On Sundays and other holy days of obligation the faithful are bound to participate in the Mass" (CIC, can. 1247).

This claim establishes that the One True God of Israel changed His day...

He did NOT...

Thus the universal Church worships another god who DID change the day he is worshipped...and in accordance to the false witness of slandering Jews that claimed "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered" Luke however was clear it was FALSE WITNESS...Acts 6:13-14 as the One True God of Israel did NOT change His day made for WHOSOEVER believes...and obeys

ironically the Jews themselves no longer worship the One True God of Israel...as He begot a Son...and their god did NOT...

Titus 1:14 is good advise...sadly rejected ALL this time...ALAS

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You quoted Vatican II which was rejected by the Orthodox Catholic Church, however this particular subject was not rejected but then again this council took place 1600 years after Nicaea. Nothing here says anything about Constantine making any decisions at Nicaea or worshipping any God other than the One True God of Israel. So you haven’t provided anything to support these false accusations. You did however provide your own personal opinion on the matter which is of absolutely no benefit to anyone seeing how you’ve already demonstrated that you don’t even know the basics about church history. Which leaves us exactly where I said we’d be with absolutely no evidence to support these false claims.

LoveGodsWord said:

Constantine did not change the day of worship. The person you are responding to is not SDA. According to the historical records, Constantine made a civil Sunday law that the Roman Catholic Church adopted in order to practice and promote Sunday worship over the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment...

First Sunday Law enacted by Emperor Constantine - March, 321 A.D.

“On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits; because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain-sowing or for vine-planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost. (Given the 7th day of March, Crispus and Constantine being consuls each of them for the second time [A.D. 321].)” Source: Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol.3 (5th ed.; New York: Scribner, 1902), p.380, note 1.

Now a professed Christian, Constantine nevertheless remained a devout sun worshipper. “The sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine,” notes Edward Gibbon in his classic Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, ch. xx, par. 3.

Constantine even printed coins which “bore on the one side the letters of the name of Christ, on the other the figure of the sun god.” Arthur P. Stanley, History of the Eastern Church, lect. vi, par. 14.

Again, Constantine’s promotion of Sunday observance was part of his definite strategy to combine paganism with Christianity: “The retention of the old pagan name of dies Solis, or 'Sunday,' for the weekly Christian festival, is in great measure owing to the union of pagan and Christian sentiment with which the first day of the week was recommended by Constantine to his subjects, pagan and Christian alike, as the ‘venerable day of the Sun.’” – Stanley’s History of the Eastern Church, p. 184.

In spite of the rising popularity of Sunday sacredness, Church historian Socrates Scholasticus (5th century) wrote: “For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrate the sacred mysteries [of the Lord's Supper] on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, have ceased to do this.” – Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History, Book 5, ch. 22.

Another historian also confirmed this by stating, “The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria.” – Sozomen, Ecclesiastical History, Book 7, ch. 19. Thus even in the 5th century, Sabbath keeping was universally prevalent (except in Rome and Alexandria) along with Sunday keeping. Many Christians kept both days, but as the centuries wore on, Sunday keeping grew in prominence and especially within Roman Catholic territories.

In 330 A.D., Constantine moved his capital from Rome to Constantinople (modern Istanbul), thus preparing the way for the Roman Catholic Popes to reign in Rome as the successors of Constantine. As the Papal Church grew in power, it opposed Sabbath observance in favour of Sunday sacredness and made the day change official in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 363-364). Constantine's law had now been fully integrated into the Papal Church and the final step of the Sabbath to Sunday change was complete.

So around the year A.D. 364, the Catholic Church outlawed Sabbath keeping in the Council of Laodicea when they decreed 59 Canon laws. The following is the relevant Canon law: Canon XXIX: “Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.” (Percival Translation).

Four hundred years after the death of Christ and one hundred years after Constantine's linking of Church and State by his Sunday law edict, Rome and Alexandria were the only places in the world where many of the Christians kept only Sunday and not the true Sabbath. Why was it that Rome and Alexandria were also the first locations that Sunday worship began? Because this is where the pagan practices of Babylon eventually landed after it was conquered. And what was the dominant pagan practice that the Babylonian priests brought with them? Sun worship which was done on Sun-day! See the history of Sunday worship for more detail.

So one can understand why Rome and Alexandria did not bother to keep the true Sabbath as they had not done so for 200 years. Throughout the entire history of the changeover from Sabbath to Sunday, Rome and Alexandria had worked together. Alexandria provided the philosophical reasons for the changes and Rome provided the decrees and anathemas. Constantine's help was given only to the worldly Church leaders at Rome and those Christians that resisted the errors that were being introduced into the Church met with his opposition. “Unite with the bishop of Rome or be destroyed,” was Constantine's position.

“Great as were the favors which Constantine showed to the church, they were only for that strong, close-knit, hierarchically organized portion that called itself Catholic. The various [so-called] heretical sects could look for no bounty from his hands.” – Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church, page 105.

The change of the Sabbath to Sunday was totally completed by the seventh century as the Popes consolidating their enormous power persecuted all who resisted their innovations. Did Satan use Constantine to play a key part in his plan to change the Sabbath to his day being Sunday? The answer is clear! From sun worship 2000 B.C., to Sunday worship in the Church. Satan infiltrated the Christian Church and most are oblivious to the fact that this has happened or understand the relevance. Sunday or “dies solis”, the day of the sun came from Satan worship and is his day. (more from here).

Hope this is helpful.

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Wow that’s really interesting since Laodecia was an Eastern Church and the eastern churches have always kept the Saturday Sabbath. Another thing I find very interesting about the canons of Laodecia is canon 16

Canon 16. The Gospels are to be read on the Sabbath [i.e. Saturday], with the other Scriptures.

No what was actually forbidden in canon 29 was Judaism.

Canon 29. Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Seems kind of funny that they would make the Saturday Sabbath illegal but declare that the gospel and other scriptures must be read on the Sabbath especially when the eastern churches have kept the Saturday Sabbath to this very day. So your wrong again. Next time try viewing it from both sides of the story so you can get the full picture.

BNR32FAN said:

You quoted Vatican II

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but answers your "Can you provide a single shred of evidence that the church"

you asked for evidence I provided it...because you and your Orthodox Catholic Church reject it matters not...but ACTUALLY proves MY point that bickering continues as it has throughout history over various topics...Sabbath being but ONE of them and one of the EARLIEST

[/quote]which was rejected by the Orthodox Catholic Church,[/quote] who ALSO worships a god who has changeable laws from Sabbath to sunday observance for whatever reason they claim...ALSO following the Jewish false witness that "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered"

however this particular subject was not rejected but then again this council took place 1600 years after Nicaea.

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again...councils and pow wows held throughout history mere PROVE new understanding or a return to old...

many currently wish to return to prior tradition...LATIN but NOT Greek...certainly NOT Aramiac its Hebrew roots...that would be TOO Jewish...LOL...as if Hebrew is Jewish...or the Sabbath...

Nothing here says anything about Constantine making any decisions at Nicaea or worshipping any God other than the One True God of Israel.

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yes to the former and NOPE to the latter...if it is concluded that the One True God of Israel is worshipped any other WAY or any other TIME it is no long the ONE TRUE...ya dig? Israel thought a golden calf would be appropriate...it was GOLD right? lol...how many other times was the One True God of Israel NOT worshipped appropriately or more specifically AS HE COMMANDED TO WORSHIP

So you haven’t provided anything to support these false accusations.

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just did AGAIN...and YOU DEMONSTRATED my point that throughout history VARIOUS issues were quibbled over...and by quibbled I mean MANY DIED were KILLED for dissenting or defending...

You did however provide your own personal opinion on the matter which is of absolutely no benefit to anyone seeing how you’ve already demonstrated that you don’t even know the basics about church history.

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oh my...how about using some of this triggered counter attack to defend poor the poor Armenian church of its current crises...

Which leaves us exactly where I said we’d be with absolutely no evidence to support these false claims.

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On the Fourth Commandment.
536. Why is it commanded to keep the seventh, rather than any other day, holy to God?

Because God in six days made the world, and on the seventh day rested from the work of creation.

537. Is the Sabbath kept in the Christian Church?

It is not kept, strictly speaking, as a holy day; but still in memory of the creation of the world, and in continuation of its original observance, it is distinguished from the other days of the week by a relaxation of the rule for fasting.

538. How, then, does the Christian Church obey the fourth commandment?

She still to every six days keeps a seventh, only not the last of the seven days, which is the Sabbath, but the first day in every week, which is the Day of the Resurrection, or lord's Day.

539. Since when do we keep the Day of the Resurrection?

From the very time of Christ's resurrection.

540. Is there any mention in holy Scripture of keeping the day of the Resurrection?

In the book of the Acts of the Apostles it is mentioned that the disciples--that is, the Christians--came together on the first day after the Sabbath, which was the first day of the week, or Day of the Resurrection, for the breaking of bread, that is to say, for the celebration of the Sacrament of the Communion. Acts xx. 7. The Apostle and Evangelist John also in the Apocalypse mentions the Lord's Day, or the Day of the Resurrection.

541. Is there not yet something more to be understood under the name of the seventh day, or Sabbath?

As in the Church of the Old Testament the name Sabbath was understood to include divers other days appointed like the Sabbath for festivals or fasts, as the festival of the Passover, and the day of Atonement, so likewise are we now in the Christian Church bound to keep, besides the Lord's Day, certain others also, which have been appointed as festivals to the glory of God and the honor of the Blessed Virgin and other saints, or as days of fasting. (See Orthod. Confess. Pt. III. Q. 60; Pt. I. Q.

24. Why is tradition necessary even now?

As a guide to the right understanding of holy Scripture, for the right ministration of the sacraments, and the preservation of sacred rites and ceremonies in the purity of their original institution.

St. Basil the Great says of this as follows:

Of the doctrines and injunctions kept by the Church, some we have from written instruction. but some we have received from, apostolical tradition, by succession in private. Both the former and the latter have one and the same force for piety, and this will be contradicted by no one who has ever so little knowledge in the ordinances of the Church; for were we to dare to reject unwritten customs, as if they had no great importance, we should insensibly mutilate the Gospel, even in the most essential points, or, rather, for the teaching of the Apostles leave but an empty name. For instance, let us mention before all else the very first and commonest act of Christians, that they who trust in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ should sign themselves with the sign of the cross--who hath taught this by writing? To turn to the east in prayer--what Scripture have we for this? The words of invocation in the change of the Eucharistic bread and of the Cup of blessing--by which of the Saints have they been left us in writing? for we are not content with those words which the Apostle or the Gospel records, but both before them and after them, we pronounce others also, which we hold to be of great force for the sacrament, though we have received them from unwritten teaching. By what Scripture is it, in like manner, that we bless the water of baptism, the oil of unction, and the person himself who is baptized? Is it not by a silent and secret tradition? What more? The very practice itself of anointing with oil--what written word have we for it? Whence is the rule of trine immersion? and the rest of the ceremonies at baptism, the renunciation of Satan and his angels?--from what Scripture are they taken? Are they not all from this unpublished and private teaching, which our Fathers kept under a reserve inaccessible to curiosity and profane disquisition, having been taught as a first principle to guard by silence the sanctity of the mysteries? for how were it fit to publish in writing the doctrine of those things, on which the unbaptized may not so much as look? (Can. xcvii. De Spir. Sanct. c. xxvii.)


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yup...tradition...

is NOW a good time to discuss Acts 20:7 as to why it was NOT taught to replace the Sabbath...as is the tradition?

BNR32FAN said:

Wow that’s really interesting since Laodecia was an Eastern Church and the eastern churches have always kept the Saturday Sabbath. Another thing I find very interesting about the canons of Laodecia is canon 16

Canon 16. The Gospels are to be read on the Sabbath [i.e. Saturday], with the other Scriptures.

No what was actually forbidden in canon 29 was Judaism.

Canon 29. Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Seems kind of funny that they would make the Saturday Sabbath illegal but declare that the gospel and other scriptures must be read on the Sabbath especially when the eastern churches have kept the Saturday Sabbath to this very day. So your wrong again. Next time try viewing it from both sides of the story so you can get the full picture.

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what's funnier is that you think reading the gospels with other scriptures before going to the WORK YOU MUST is keeping the Sabbath holy...THAT is funny...

LOL...resting is Judaizing despite it was given to more than 1/12th of Isreal...and even those NOT of Jacob...REMEMBER...those "strangers within thy gates"

So they keep the Sabbath by a "must work on that day so as not to be Jewish"...

yes yes the East..."kept the Saturday Sabbath TO THIS VERY DAY"...oh boy...you mean like include it in their daily planner?

or a legitimate ALL day of rest/fellowship/worship as there has been throughout history a sabbatismos keeping which remains for His people and those that follow Him His way...accepting what was made for man at creation...

LoveGodsWord said:

Sorry I am not sure how your post here relates to the post you are quoting from? Did you wish to clarify your position?

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Did you not read what you copied & pasted?

So around the year A.D. 364, the Catholic Church outlawed Sabbath keeping in the Council of Laodicea when they decreed 59 Canon laws.

The council of Laodecia did not outlaw the Sabbath.

LoveGodsWord said:

This is an easy one Bob and surprised you do not know the answer. How many commandments are there in God's 10 commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) spoken and written with the finger of God alone on two tables of stone *Exodus 32:16? The hint is in the question. Is there 9, 10, 613 or 1050? (hidden clues provided). The answer to these questions from the scriptures for those interested can be found here *Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4.

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Another good text is the Acts 15 decisions...4 things concluded which included the dietary prohibitions as you can't expect to make a pig clean by draining all its blood or rat stew ok to eat by making sure they were not strangled...or carcasses...

carcasses were given 3 catagories

Deut 14:21 Do not eat anything you find already dead. You may give it to the alien residing in any of your towns, and they may eat it, or you may sell it to any other foreigner. But you are a people holy to the Lord your God...

1. Native were NOT to eat
2. Alien given to eat
3. Foreigner sold to eat

so the disciples INCLUDED Gentiles as NATIVE by NOT allowing them to eat flesh not properly killed...

oh and of course it was expected Gentiles would keep hearing Moses every Sabbath Acts 14:21

LoveGodsWord said:

Nonsense your own earlier post even contradicts your claims here when you quoted Canon 29..

Canon 29. Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Want to try again?

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but but but they could read the gospels and other scriptures...just not play Jew

cuz Sabbath is Jewish right?