{Christians} Do Biden voters have bloody hands before God?

You are trying to guilt.

This is why I don't like religion, the "guilt" factor.

And you are wrong.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

I don't mean to guilt anyone here. But considering the tens of thousands of babies that are killed in the womb each year and the abomination of homosexuality that runs rampant in this country, do you as a professing believer in Christ have bloody hands when voting for someone that not only supports these agendas but has openly declared to give more "rights" to these sins?

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Bloody hands, arms dealers and all that.

Absolutely not. There is the issue of morals vs ethics, not only that but what might be the biggest issue for one person isnt always going to be the biggest issue to the person next to them

John MacArthur pretty much said what the op mentions but i think a shepherd shouldn't be telling Christians who to vote for. I think the bigger issue is how we handle things with people who vote differently, and that we dont add to the guaranteed chaos. We need to serve as salt to the world and preserve it, instead of acting like fuel to the worldly fire

Edit: John MacArthur video

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

No. I'm actually not trying to guilt. Why am I wrong though?

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The policies of Biden will lead to fewer unwanted pregnancies, which will lead to fewer abortions.

Homosexuality is not an abomination. I know several same-sex couples and they are wonderful people. If your church doesn't like SSM, fine, they don't have to do them. But that doesn't mean the government should outlaw it.

There is more than one way to deal with an issue than to make it black and white, to make it punishable. That is one of the issues I have with religion, it makes people rigged in their thinking. There is more than one way to do things. Some churches even see that.

And the only soul you are responsible for is your own. No need to make everyone else miserable by trying to put them in the same mold that you went through.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

I don't mean to pigeon hole answers here. But is 1 Timothy 4:2 an indication of the type of people we're seeing that could care less about these issues?

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I do care about the issues you refer to, but my position seems to be the exact opposite of yours. (Given the discussion rules here, I really can't say anything more on them.)

Echoing Paulos, I will say that:

I don't follow any religion because I don't find their claims believable.
It's because of things like the OP that I don't like religions. (At all.)
I will continue to defend your right to practice your religion as I would for any American,
but I will continue to fight for the things you oppose in the OP, but not on this site.

Paulos23 said:

The policies of Biden will lead to fewer unwanted pregnancies, which will lead to fewer abortions....

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Hardly anyone on the R side cares about actually reducing numbers of abortions.

We'd have a different looking society if they did.

Lord Give Me A Sign said:

Absolutely not. Their is the issue of morals vs ethics, not only that but what might be the biggest issue for one person isnt always going to be the biggest issue to the person next to them

John MacArthur pretty much said what the op mentions but i think a shepherd shouldn't be telling Christians who to vote for. I think the bigger issue is how we handle things with people who vote differently, and that we dont add to the guaranteed chaos. We need to serve as salt to the world and preserve it, instead of acting like fuel to the worldly fire

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Good comment, Sign. I feel the media has tried so hard to seed a despisement of not only Trump but his supporters that many of both sides have been lulled into high outrage at the other side. It's nice to see you speak up about adding salt vs fuel.

Of course, the left would say the right disparages them, but in my observations the disparagement is unbalanced. I noticed shortly after the 2016 election that the left seemed to have marching orders to include "racist" "misogynist" "homophobic" "dangerous" "terrifying" etc into their headlines to frame the public opinion of Trump... and eventually his supporters...which I presumed was in preparation for 2020.

I follow realclearpolitics almost every day which aggregates the headlines of media all over the political spectrum, and the shift to that type of imagery was as if all of the left was in one accord. And they have kept it up ever since then.

I'm not saying that right wing media doesn't have disparaging headlines, but the left is swinging in lock step and it seems to be coordinated, as if there is a joint effort.

I was searching for an article that exposed how 100+ writers of the left were getting together to coordinate their stories in a previous election and came across this video illustration of the coordination.

Here is an article about Journolist, which was a group of left leaning reporters from most publications coordinating their stories for the best impact to help Obama win the election.

https://nypost.com/2010/07/25/the-fix-was-in/

There are other articles out there if you are curious to search further on "journOlist"...journalist spelled with an O in the middle.

Endeavourer said:

Here is an article about Journolist, which was a group of left leaning reporters from most publications coordinating their stories for the best impact to help Obama win the election.

https://nypost.com/2010/07/25/the-fix-was-in/

There are other articles out there if you are curious to search further on "journOlist"...journalist spelled with an O in the middle.

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Ah k won't vote for Obama then

Endeavourer said:

Good comment, Sign. I feel the media has tried so hard to seed a despisement of not only Trump but his supporters that many of both sides have been lulled into high outrage at the other side. It's nice to see you speak up about adding salt vs fuel.

Of course, the left would say the right disparages them, but in my observations the disparagement is unbalanced. I noticed shortly after the 2016 election that the left seemed to have marching orders to include "racist" "misogynist" "homophobic" "dangerous" "terrifying" etc into their headlines to frame the public opinion of Trump... and eventually his supporters...which I presumed was in preparation for 2020.

I follow realclearpolitics almost every day which aggregates the headlines of media all over the political spectrum, and the shift to that type of imagery was as if all of the left was in one accord. And they have kept it up ever since then.

I'm not saying that right wing media doesn't have disparaging headlines, but the left is swinging in lock step and it seems to be coordinated, as if there is a joint effort.

I was searching for an article that exposed how 100+ writers of the left were getting together to coordinate their stories in a previous election and came across this video illustration of the coordination.

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The alternative is that Trump really is just a grotesquely ignorant jerk of an individual. Thats what I go with because I could see that well before his entry into politics.

durangodawood said:

The alternative is that Trump really is just a grotesquely ignorant jerk of an individual. Thats what I go with because I could see that well before his entry into politics.

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So where does that put his supporters, in your opinion?

Fun few facts.

According to Guttmacher about 18pc of pregnancies in the US are aborted.

However, out of all fertilised eggs (or "babies", to use the antichoicer term) anything from up to 50 to 75pc of them fail to implant or are otherwise unviable.

So we've got humans responsible for about 9-12% of "babies" not making it to term, Vs God responsible for about 50-75% of them not making it.

You want to reduce the number of dead "babies"? Start praying. And resume bothering the humans when your deity has done something about the odds he controls.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

I don't mean to guilt anyone here. But considering the tens of thousands of babies that are killed in the womb each year and the abomination of homosexuality that runs rampant in this country, do you as a professing believer in Christ have bloody hands when voting for someone that not only supports these agendas but has openly declared to give more "rights" to these sins?

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How many tens of thousands of babies are you concerned about?

The Trump administration has cut the number of refugees we resettle to this country by over 85%:
Fact Sheet: U.S. Refugee Resettlement - National Immigration Forum

We went from ~85,000/yr in 2016 to less than 12,000 in 2020; and they want to reduce the cap next year by another 3,000 or 16.7%.

That's over 70,000 people per year fleeing violence and persecution on whom we've turned our backs - some of whom have, presumably, died because of their inability to escape their condition. Do you and other Trump supporters have their blood on your hands?

Endeavourer said:

So where does that put his supporters, in your opinion?

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They are all over the map. Some of them like Trumps rank indecency, for instance the guy in the truck in front of me yesterday with the huge "Trump! F*** Your Feelings" flag. I see a lot of that.

I think decent people have been dragged down somewhat by maintaining their commitment to that creep. Theyve had to lower their sense of what they will tolerate in our nation. I do think many remain fundamentally decent tho.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) said:

I don't mean to guilt anyone here. But considering the tens of thousands of babies that are killed in the womb each year and the abomination of homosexuality that runs rampant in this country, do you as a professing believer in Christ have bloody hands when voting for someone that not only supports these agendas but has openly declared to give more "rights" to these sins?

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Pfffft

Laughably ..no

Why don't you blame the teenage Christian girls and give them the complex of the guilt that they had to hide all of it in cause otherwise their community would disown them

Go get angry at the teenage girls.


You are so concerned about casting judgement on liberals for voting for someone.

Listen, I can tell you are really passionate about this so if you really want to ruin someone's life while really not doing anything but managing to make yourself feel righteous you should definitely target the 54% of abortion service receivers who self identifies as Catholic or protestant (much higher than the some total of all other religion identities at 9%).

Frankly christian liberals find this thought experiment simplistic and ill conceived so we won't be swayed. It's those poor women who choose the abortions, THATS where you need to turn the screws of guilt.

That will definitely fix the situation and bring them closer to God

After 4 years Trump administration I can honestly say Pro-life evangelical Christian has ZERO interest in LIFE!

Thousands of babies in cages doesn’t makes these pro life Christian sad.

Thousands of babies separated from their parents doesn’t make these pro-life evangelical to speak out.

225K Americans dead doesn’t make these pro-life Christian feel bad. As a matter of fact they go to Trump rally to spread the virus.

And now they talk about they care about baby in the womb .. give me a break!

Triumvirate said:

Fun few facts.

According to Guttmacher about 18pc of pregnancies in the US are aborted.

However, out of all fertilised eggs (or "babies", to use the antichoicer term) anything from up to 50 to 75pc of them fail to implant or are otherwise unviable.

So we've got humans responsible for about 9-12% of "babies" not making it to term, Vs God responsible for about 50-75% of them not making it.

You want to reduce the number of dead "babies"? Start praying. And resume bothering the humans when your deity has done something about the odds he controls.

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This^ exactly.

If babies are dying in these astronomical numbers from miscarriage or implantation failure.... then where the heck is the hue and cry from Christians to solve this colossal loss of innocent life. Its like cancer but 10x worse, yet no institutes, no fund raisers, no nothing when youd expect them to be screaming bloody murder IF it really were innocent people dying.

Some say its God's will or whatever. Hogwash. All the other causes of death we move heaven and earth to prevent may as well be called Gods will too. But this one... Christians - and everyone else - just sit on their hands.

Therefore I don't think most Christians really think people are at stake in early term pregnancies.