The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Oseas said:

What prevails is the Word of God. Your words are irrelevant and signifies nothing. The Word is God, do you understand?

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Keras - I've decided that this guy probably just isn't worth it. What say we just block him?

keras said:

What confirms the 'day equals 1000 years', is hindsight.

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You haven't proved that the New Testament even gives us the expectation of asking that question in the first place!

We HAVE had the 2 days of heavenly time,

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No. We. Haven't.
We have had 2020 + 4 BC = 2024 years since Jesus was born, - 30AD at crucifixion = 1994 years. Not two 'days', as Peter isn't giving us a code. Honestly, we've been over this! What Peter is saying is pastoral, not Da Vinci code. He is explaining that God sees the whole of history from beginning to end, all gazillion years of it, and yet can focus on each day like he has a gazillion years to explore it. He sees the whole of history, and yet can zoom in on you and I praying. The infinite God, stooping down to you and me and our messy conversation.

I can barely comprehend that! While Peter is discussing the last day, he is also saying God cares about each and every day.

Also: don't do the typical futurist thing and ignore the context. This is the 2 age model - I'll highlight the relevant bits.

There's now, then there's heaven, and the only thing in-between is the day of the Lord. That's it! The Lord returns, and it all happens in an instant!


See?

2 Peter 3 contradicts you totally.
Rather than some Da Vinci code for predicting when the lord will return, it actually says it will come like a thief.

The very passage you're trying to force to predict it says it is unpredictable!

The third 'day', will be the many prophesied Millennium reign of King Jesus.

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Nope - Jesus is still pushing on. Vs 33 shows it. What do you do when you've been comprehensively shown to be wrong - just wince and rinse and repeat? OK - I'll rinse and repeat what Jesus himself says happens on the 3rd day in the very next verse you stubbornly refuse to read because the context is devastating to your (dare I say it?) 'case'.

33 In any case, I must press on today and tomorrow and the next day—for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem!"

What's he doing on the third day? This is year 6 English. He's still pressing on. Not resting and ruling in some hypothetical Millennium here on earth that doesn't fit with a single ounce of New Testament theology - a Millennium futurists have constructed from one metaphorical paragraph and used to warp the entire 25 other books of the New Testament! No! He's still PRESSING ON!

If you just rinse and repeat your claims again, you are in effect admitting you can't do anything but cherrypick.

His reward and at the end of it, He hands the kingdom back to God. 1 Corinthians 15:24

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Remember that the next verse says "24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."

That's what he is doing now. Reigning. That's what the Millennium in Rev 20 is. Jesus reigning on the earth as his gospel goes out. Read Ephesians. Were are we already seated? Heaven! Where are we citizens? Heaven! We're already there - but in eschatological tension. Satan is bound - with regard to being able to deceive the nations. The gospel goes out. Also please note that 1 Cor 15 shows the 2 ages model.

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Except there's no way we know when Adam was created - as there is ambiguity in the genealogies. Genesis 1 to 11 is true - but theological truth. It's highly symbolic writing with creative narrative, creative ancient middle-eastern cosmology, floodgates to heaven, talking snakes, and chiastic structure in the flood narrative.

Things happened - but these things have been interpreted by theological narrative to cast emphasis on the theological meaning in the passages - not the engineering realities.

I'm a theistic evolutionist.

That immediately adds 13.4 billion years to your 'timetable'.


So much selective jiggery-pokery, as Dr Who would call it.
What an utterly appalling waste of time!

Oh but please - don't answer my questions why on earth you bother with all this - just use talking to me as an excuse to copy and paste your favourite obsession!


And why do you do all this?

To avoid the fact that I nailed your '2nd day' verse for what it is - a gospel foreshadowing with absolutely NO commentary on the last day!

It's just what you do, isn't it? Avoid, then copy and paste. Rather than stopping and actually proving an individual verse means what you blindly assert it means, you just move on to your next subject and reassert that. Just stop it. Go back and admit that bit of Luke 13 has nothing to do with eschatology.

eclipsenow said:

It is patronising to hear someone ask "Do you understand?" all the time - do you understand?
People don't like being patronised. It means the speaker thinks they are inferior to the speaker.
Do you understand?
I understand.

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There are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in One. If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. For there are three that bear record in heaven(Ephesians 1 v.3-4-heaven is not the physical sky as you think), yeah, there are three that bear record in heaven, God the Father, the Word(God made flesh), and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person similar to JESUS): and these three are One. 1John 5:v.7-9

The Word is God, yeah, see within Scriptures how the Word is in Person, look to the image of God Almighty, for He - the Word - was made flesh, whose image is expressed, it is written in the Bible, the Book of the Lord. You need to know the Word as He is in Person.

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Oh he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaks of the earth: he that comes from heaven is above all. And what he has seen and heard, that he testifies; and no man receive his testimony. He that has received his testimony has set to his seal that God is true.

I work with the Word of God. The Word is God. God is a devouring fire. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

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What you have posted is not accurate, but a cunningly devised fable. I work with the Word of God. I do not know word more powerful than the Word of God. The Word is God, understand? The Word of God is true and the times God the Father has put in His own Power.

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years already concluded) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).
According biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow::
Adam lived …........................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived ………………….....…...........105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived .............................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived..............................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ........................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ............................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived .............................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived...................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived .........................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood.......600 yrs.
Total yrs from Adam to the Flood = 1,656 yrs.
I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God,
It is not human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not
by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES -------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood----------------------------1,656 years (as was showed above)
II - From the Flood to Abraham------------------------.427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus--------------------------430 years - Gal.3:17
IV - From Exodus to king Saul ---------------- --------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem -------------.-508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ------.------587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus --- 4,004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)----. 2,020 years
Total from Adam to our days -------------------------- 6,024 years

Jesus -the Greater Light- came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after the beginning of creation. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2.000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), totalizing 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums, or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,020 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.020. So, we have entered in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance. The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium,it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS assume the government of the Universe. JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.

The kingdoms of THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever. (Rev.11:15) verse 18 And the nations were (will be) angry, and God's wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should DESTROY them which destroy the earth. It's it.

John 2:v.19-21
19 Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

eclipsenow said:

That immediately adds 13.4 billion years to your 'timetable'.

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Oh no, if you are trying to determine the age of the planet or of the Universe as 13,4 billion years you are completely wrong. The planet Earth or the Universe have much much much more than 13,4 billion years, as men say, I would say what you wrote it's a joke.

God is from Eternity to Eternity, He has not beginning neither ending. JESUS is the beginning and the ending. In the fourth Day of God's plan to restoration all things, JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. John 5:v.17. Today we are in the FIRST century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day.

eclipsenow said:

I'm a theistic evolutionist.

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You mean one deceived by Satan, hook, line and sinker?

Only the opening of the 6th seal will shatter that deception.

Keras refuses to Remember the Sabbath Day. The 7th day in Genesis does not have an evening and morning time stamp. In Genesis 2 it is referred to as the Day set apart to Adonai the Lord. The first Day of the Lord, a Lord's Day, literally the first 1000 years. After the beginning of a finite creation of physical out of nothing. Not even a recycled universe. While God ceased creating, the creation went on for 1000 years, and then God created the Garden of Eden.

Sunday to Sunday. Sunday was the first forgotten 1000 years. Then 6000 years, and the last Sunday of 1000 years. The Law of Moses, turned the command into a false emphasis on a Sabbath given to man, but not set apart to God. That is why they went into captivity. The command is: 6 days shalt thou labor. It was the continuation of Adam's punishment of 6000 years, although coincides with the actual 6 days of Creation. God would not add any more time, than God Himself used to create heaven and earth.

But we cannot say that each day of creation itself was 1000 years, because God defined them as evening and morning. All things being equal darkness was from 6pm to 6am, light was from 6am to 6pm. A clock was set, and humans later realized that as a day. Even without the sun in the sky. Which is only an artificial light as opposed to God Himself dividing light from darkness. God would make light 100% of the time, no? See Revelation 21-22. Why is there no more sun or moon in the NHNE? Some think we will be in the same reality, not a totally different reality.

keras said:

You are not clear on the 'coming of Jesus'. His birth - the commencement of His Ministry, or His death?
I contend the critical date is when He was baptized. I fix that at 29.5 AD.

Remember the God uses numbers in a very accurate way. He has given mankind 7000 years - 7000 orbits of the earth around the sun.
Be assured that it will be exactly fulfilled and we also see that there are exact periods in that time:
2000 years from Adam to Abraham - 2000 years Abraham to Jesus - 2000 years Jesus; 1st to 2nd Advent - then 1000 years of Godly reign over mankind.

I suggest you look carefully at your timeline to see why it doesn't add to those exact time periods.

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The Word of God is the true source, your source is not true, about the times God the Father has put in His own Power. The only truth is the expressed biblical Chronology.

God is from Eternity to Eternity, He has not beginning neither ending. JESUS is the beginning and the ending. In the fourth Day of God's plan to restoration all things, JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.John 5:v.17. Today we are in the FIRST century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day.

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years already concluded) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

Oseas said:

He said that his disciples hear His voice, and He knows them, and they follow Him, and He gives unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of His hand, understand?

I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou has hid these things from the wise and prudent, and has revealed them unto babes. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

Amen

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Hi Oseas,
some advice from your master.

Oseas said:

Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years (Psalm 90:4; II Pet. 3:8; Heb. 4:4) so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years already concluded) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

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Except that the word of God you claim to value so much never ever says to count a timetable like this and abuse God's word like this. In fact, Jesus says he will return like a thief, when everyone is full of self confidence and saying "Peace, peace" disaster will come upon them. To claim to know otherwise is the doctrine of demons. Do you understand?

keras said:

Obadiah 1:15-21 The Day of the Lord is at hand for all the nations, they will be treated as they have treated others and their wrong actions will recoil upon themselves. My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath, then all the nations in turn will drink of it and be devastated by it. But in Jerusalem there will be a holy remnant, the Lord’s people will be like a flame while the House of Esau will be burnt up with no survivors. My [Christian] people will possess all of the holy Land that was given to Abraham and those in Jerusalem who lead My people will control the lands of the Edomites, but the Kingdom belongs to the Lord.

Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise as He did at Mt Perazim and in the valley of Gibeon, and storm with rage to do what He must do, to perform His task – a strange and alien deed. But now, have done with all arrogance and pride or the Lord will increase His punishment, for destruction is decreed over the whole Land. Jeremiah 10:18

Isaiah 26:10-11 Lord: Your hand is lifted high and Your enemies can’t see Your good will toward Your people. [Let them see and be ashamed.] Let the fire reserved for Your enemies consume them. The wicked are destroyed, they have never learnt justice, they are corrupt and blinded to Your Majesty and power.

Micah 4:11-12 Now, many nations are massed against Israel, they say: Let Zion suffer outrage, we will gloat over their demise. They are unaware of the Lord’s plans, for His purpose is to gather them like sheaves to the threshing floor.

Nahum 1:5 The earth quakes before the Lord, the world and all who live in it are in tumult. Who can stand before His wrath? Who can resist the fury of His anger, poured out as fire?


‘The Lord will arise and storm with rage, as He did in ancient times’. Jeremiah 30:23-24

‘His task, strange and alien’. We know God as a God of love, but also of justice and it is just to punish those who do not obey Him and who attack His Land. Isaiah 34:5

‘destruction is decreed’. The entire Middle East will be burnt and devastated. Ezekiel 30:3-5, Isaiah 17:1, Amos 1:3-15

‘fire reserved for the Lord’s enemies will consume them, His anger poured out as fire’. A massive sunstrike CME will fulfill all these prophesied effects. Deut. 32:22, Isaiah 66:15-16, Malachi 4:1

‘My people will drink the wine of God’s wrath’. This will be the third ‘swing of the sword’ Ezekiel 21:14, the final judgement/punishment of the Jewish people. Jeremiah 2:9, Eze.24:14

‘now, many nations are massed against Israel’. This perfectly describes the situation today and they want to ‘gloat over her demise’. Psalm 83:1-18

‘The House of Esau, burnt up – no survivors’. Those attacking Israel will be totally wiped out. Isaiah 63:1-6, Zephaniah 2:4-5

‘those who lead My people’. Another proof that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11

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I agree. Or i'm fairly certain you are correct. Someone told me they thought it would be less than 20 years. He wasn't saying for sure but its not a sin to give a ball park figure if you call it a guess.

Uriah123 said:

I agree. Or i'm fairly certain you are correct. Someone told me they thought it would be less than 20 years. He wasn't saying for sure but its not a sin to give a ball park figure if you call it a guess.

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Someone said?
What about the Lord Jesus who said he would come like a thief in the night, when everyone was saying "peace, peace"? No one will know. Claiming to know 20 years before seems fraudulent to me - but also sets the church up for ridicule when it fails.

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Hi Oseas,
some advice from your master.

Matthew 6:
5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.​

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Hi EN(?) My name is Oseas(Hosea) really, but yours is an enigma. I am so glad to hear the Word of God from you, now you posted what is true and is light. The Word is God, God is light. Even JESUS, the Word made flesh, said: John 12:v.48-50 - 49 I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 - Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. 48 - He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that Judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall Judge him in the last Day. (that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium, in which we have already entered, by the way, now He is at door).

If the Word of God -God is light- is really within our heart, not the letter but the Spirit, the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, I mean the Holy Spirit of God, then having light and oil in the heart it will be of great joy to speak of the Scriptures, for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

The Master said to the Pharisees: Matthew 12:v.33-37:
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. (This Day arrived, that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium. 1Corinthians 6:v.2-3 - 2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?) 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? By the way, 5 of the 7 angels of the Churches of Asia were reproved)

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Oseas said:

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He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that Judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall Judge him in the last Day.

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Please don't add to God's word - you should have left the quote there and not added the junk in purple. Also, the NIV is a pretty good translation, there's no need to addeth alleth theeth eth's to everythingeth weeth tryeth to sayeth.

(that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, or seventh and last millennium, in which we have already entered, by the way, now He is at door).

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Fail - adding to God's word.
Might not go well for you if you continue this.

If the Word of God -God is light- is really within our heart, not the letter but the Spirit, the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, I mean the Holy Spirit of God, then having light and oil in the heart it will be of great joy to speak of the Scriptures, for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

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I thinketh I mighteth getteth my pastoral care frometh othereth placeseth.

The Master said to the Pharisees: Luke 12:v.33-37:
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

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The abundance of your heart likes to add words to scripture. I wouldn't do that!

37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

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In the context of the whole bible it's nothing we do that saves us - but Jesus death on the cross.

keras said:

This is a gross and libelous accusation.

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Then why do you not include the first 1000 years between the 6 days of creation and the Garden of Eden? That is the Lord's Day Moses instructed the people to Remember.