AMAZING FUN FACTS ON GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT AND SUNDAY WORSHIP!

Bob S · Nov 1, 2020

Wow! it takes all those long drawn out posts to explain away the truth of the context? Something has to be wrong there. In the first place who would read all of that stuff? Secondly we know that all the past posts have not proved anything.

What we do know about Heb 4 is that the writer was writing to Jews. We also know that Jews still thought they were under the laws of the Sinai covenant. The writer explains that even though the Jews were observing the Sabbath of the now defunct laws of the Sinai covenant they had not entered the Rest Jesus has for all mankind. All the years the Israelites were wandering around the desert and even when their children entered Canaan and even after Jesus gave them the new covenant they refused to enter that Rest. The writer was appealing to the Jews that they could still enter Jesus Rest. Jesus rest is not a day it is all days although we can enter His Rest today if we soften our hearts and receive Him as our Savior.

No, Heb 4 is not about the Sabbath day given only to Israel, it is about finding Jesus and resting in Him.

It is completely wrong to suggest that Heb 4 is about keeping the now defunct Sabbath. To try to make it do that makes it preaching to the already Sabbath observing Jewish choir and is nothing but nonsense.

clefty · Nov 1, 2020

Bob S said:
Wow! it takes all those long drawn out posts to explain away the truth of the context? Something has to be wrong there. In the first place who would read all of that stuff? Secondly we know that all the past posts have not proved anything.

What we do know about Heb 4 is that the writer was writing to Jews. We also know that Jews still thought they were under the laws of the Sinai covenant. The writer explains that even though the Jews were observing the Sabbath of the now defunct laws of the Sinai covenant they had not entered the Rest Jesus has for all mankind. All the years the Israelites were wandering around the desert and even when their children entered Canaan and even after Jesus gave them the new covenant they refused to enter that Rest. The writer was appealing to the Jews that they could still enter Jesus Rest. Jesus rest is not a day it is all days although we can enter His Rest today if we soften our hearts and receive Him as our Savior.

No, Heb 4 is not about the Sabbath day given only to Israel, it is about finding Jesus and resting in Him.

It is completely wrong to suggest that Heb 4 is about keeping the now defunct Sabbath. To try to make it do that makes it preaching to the already Sabbath observing Jewish choir and is nothing but nonsense.

Right...so a sabbatismos is NOT for you but His people...move along...some sayings were indeed TOO hard for His disciples and they left...

That Jewish choir ALSO needed reminding NOT to fall into the SAME example of disobedience as those in the OT who thought as you do “not for me” are His ways...but even now they were to be diligent and to enter that rest as Yah did His...after six days of work

Poor Paul even had to make a vow and pay for four others to prove he was NOT teaching what you claim...but walked upright according to myriads of believing Jews STILL zealous for the Law...which as he wrote the Romans our faith does NOT make void...go establish it...

This letter to the Jewish choir was EXACTLY because OTHER Jews were running around claiming what you believe that He “changed the customs Moses delivered”

Luke was clear that slander was FALSE WITNESS...and Peter knew Paul would be twisted by unstable minds as you do him...better it would be for them NOT to have heard the holy commandment and then return to their own like well...ya know...

And yet here you continue that Jewish false witness...

Titus 1:14

Despite His “think NOT that” but you insist...

clefty · Nov 1, 2020

RBPerry said:
I was raised SDA, including their schools, MBA and Loma Linda.
We all know Constantine changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday to appease the sun god worshipers.
I suggest we worship God seven days a week, if you can only have Tuesdays off, then make that your day of rest. The day of rest was made for man.
Since Jesus broke the Sabbath laws and clearly stated that the day of rest was for man. Think about it, don't get stuck on tradition.

the day of rest was NOT made for man...the Sabbath was made for man and happens to be the seventh day to rest but after six of work...and was made Holy by the Creator and not WHOSEVER believes in Him...to reassign at their own will...HIS Will be done ya dig?

LoveGodsWord · Nov 1, 2020

Bob S said:
Wow! it takes all those long drawn out posts to explain away the truth of the context? Something has to be wrong there. In the first place who would read all of that stuff? Secondly we know that all the past posts have not proved anything.

What we do know about Heb 4 is that the writer was writing to Jews. We also know that Jews still thought they were under the laws of the Sinai covenant. The writer explains that even though the Jews were observing the Sabbath of the now defunct laws of the Sinai covenant they had not entered the Rest Jesus has for all mankind. All the years the Israelites were wandering around the desert and even when their children entered Canaan and even after Jesus gave them the new covenant they refused to enter that Rest. The writer was appealing to the Jews that they could still enter Jesus Rest. Jesus rest is not a day it is all days although we can enter His Rest today if we soften our hearts and receive Him as our Savior.

No, Heb 4 is not about the Sabbath day given only to Israel, it is about finding Jesus and resting in Him.

It is completely wrong to suggest that Heb 4 is about keeping the now defunct Sabbath. To try to make it do that makes it preaching to the already Sabbath observing Jewish choir and is nothing but nonsense.

Not really. There is a lot of scripture that disagrees with your teachings that God's 10 commandments are abolished and that is why the CONTEXT that was being left out was provided for all to see it is not saying what some are claiming. If you disagree with the scriptures shared with you, your welcome to show why and address the last two posts from page one. Simply stating I have provided a lot of scripture does not really support your cause it only demonstrates that I am providing God's Word which are not my words and telling you the truth. The scriptures were provided to show context and turn on the light to interpretations of darkness to help those who seek to know the truth of God's Word see the light of His truth. What is it from the scriptures in the last two posts on page one that you disagree with and why? You have yet to prove your views from scripture. Yet the scriptures (not me) show yours is not biblical. Is your argument now really that we should not bother reading Hebrews because it was written for the Jews when God (not me) says all scripture is written for our admonition upon who the ends of the world have come?

klutedavid · Nov 1, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed most who follow man-made teachings and traditions that are not biblical will indeed disagree with what Gods' Word says. Yet here they are with no scripture to support their position. Make one want to ask the question if we are not following God's Word who are we following? For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS warns us about doing this in Matthew 15:3-9. Even in your own post here you claim that the decrees that are against us are the 10 commandments. The ten commandments were never against. In the new covenant they have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken according to Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and 1 John 3:4 and if we break anyone of them according to James including God's 4th commandment we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Now please show me a single scripture in Colossians 2 that is talking about the 10 commandments?

I can show you an identical verse from Ephesians, that is saying exactly the same point.

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in decrees (G1378)...

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of decrees (G1378) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

So Paul is definitely stating that the ten commandments are the decrees, the ordinances, that were against us.

Circumcision does not carry a death penalty, circumcision is not against us.

Please stop using the phrase, 'ceremonial law', the scripture never uses or mentions that phrase. That phrase is misleading and is a tradition that reformation churches follow.

Ordinances, decrees, are simply the law. The ten commandments are decrees and also ordinances, the ten commandments were decreed by God at Mt Sinai.

The ten commandments were against us.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 1, 2020

klutedavid said:
I can show you an identical verse from Ephesians, that is saying exactly the same point.

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in decrees (G1378)...

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of decrees (G1378) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

So Paul is definitely stating that the ten commandments are the decrees, the ordinances, that were against us.

Circumcision does not carry a death penalty, circumcision is not against us.

Please stop using the phrase, 'ceremonial law', the scripture never uses or mentions that phrase. That phrase is misleading and is a tradition that reformation churches follow.

Ordinances, decrees, are simply the law. The ten commandments are decrees and also ordinances, the ten commandments were decreed by God at Mt Sinai.

The ten commandments were against us.

This only supports the scriptures shared with you in post 19 of page one proving that G1378 in the Greek is not in reference to God's 10 commandments. If you read my last post (post 19) on this it also shows through both the context and the Greek that the laws in "ordinances" is from the Greek Word δόγμα dogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means ordinance; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS. Both the chapter and scripture context as well as the Greek Words used here disagree with your interpretation that these chapters are talking about the 10 commandments. Sorry dear friend it seems like God's Word disagrees with you. Your interpretation that God's 10 commandments are abolished pretty much disagrees with all of the bible all the prophets, JESUS and the Apostles as can be shown through the scriptures elsewhere (e.g. *Matthew 5:17-20; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Romans 8:1-4; Hebrews 8:10-12; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:10-11 etc etc..). It is the ceremonial laws in ordinances d̮og'-ma that were shadows of things to come that have been fulfilled in the new just as much as the death penalty for sin has been abolished for those who believe in JESUS who is the true lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world *John 1:29; 36. It is the penalty of sin and condemnation that is abolished in Christ, not God's law that gives us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. According to God's Word in the new covenant if we break anyone of God's 10 commandments or do not believe and follow his Word we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Sin will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's Kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-31.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed.

SabbathBlessings · Nov 1, 2020

klutedavid said:
I can show you an identical verse from Ephesians, that is saying exactly the same point.

Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in decrees (G1378)...

Colossians 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of decrees (G1378) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

So Paul is definitely stating that the ten commandments are the decrees, the ordinances, that were against us.

Circumcision does not carry a death penalty, circumcision is not against us.

Please stop using the phrase, 'ceremonial law', the scripture never uses or mentions that phrase. That phrase is misleading and is a tradition that reformation churches follow.

Ordinances, decrees, are simply the law. The ten commandments are decrees and also ordinances, the ten commandments were decreed by God at Mt Sinai.

The ten commandments were against us.

So than its okay to murder, lie, steal, cheat, worship false idols, covet etc. Are you saying God is okay with this immoral behavior? Does that really make sense? Do these things seem like something that would be important yesterday, today, tomorrow?

The Bible says Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

God seems to think His commandments are important and reminds us of that often in the Bible.

klutedavid · Nov 1, 2020

You will need to address this quotation from the KJV. There appears to be serious error in the translation.

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

The text does not say, 'For if Jesus', it should say, 'For if Joshua'.

The rest that Joshua gave Israel.

Joshua 23:1
And it came to pass a long time after that the Lord had given rest unto Israel from all their enemies round about, that Joshua waxed old and stricken in age.

Are you saying that there is no rest in Jesus?

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 1, 2020

imge said:
So than its okay to murder, lie, steal, cheat, worship false idols, covet etc. Are you saying God is okay with this immoral behavior? Does that really make sense? Do these things seem like something that would be important yesterday, today, tomorrow?

The Bible says Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

God seems to think His commandments are important and reminds us of that often in the Bible.

These are good points you raise here sis and thanks for sharing them. They are common sense and the scripture you provided in Revelation 22:14 show that God's people keep all of his commandments through faith in JESUS.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 1, 2020

klutedavid said:
You will need to address this quotation from the KJV. There appears to be serious error in the translation.

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

The text does not say, 'For if Jesus', it should say, 'For if Joshua'.

The rest that Joshua gave Israel.

Joshua 23:1
And it came to pass a long time after that the Lord had given rest unto Israel from all their enemies round about, that Joshua waxed old and stricken in age.

Are you saying that there is no rest in Jesus?

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

Already addressed in post 20 linked through the scriptures on page 1 and written summarized in the answer at the bottom. You did not read it did you.

klutedavid · Nov 1, 2020

imge said:
So than its okay to murder, lie, steal, cheat, worship false idols, covet etc. Are you saying God is okay with this immoral behavior? Does that really make sense? Do these things seem like something that would be important yesterday, today, tomorrow?

You have already broken all those commandments. Your flesh is in opposition to God at every point.

That is why Jesus came to save us from our sin and the penalty of death.

I am not self righteous like you. I never claim that I could obey any commandment. I was rightly condemned by the law, by the ten commandments. If I even look at a woman with lust or think of someone as a fool, then I am condemned.

The ten commandments were the decrees against us.

No one is good, no one is righteous, not one person.

The ten commandments show us what sin is. The ten commandments are impossible to obey and they will always be broken by us.

If you claim to be free form sin, if you claim to be obedient to the law. Then you are a liar.

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

klutedavid · Nov 1, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Already addressed in post 20 linked through the scriptures on page 1 and written summarized in the answer at the bottom. You did not read it did you.

Yes I did read it and that is why I quoted you. Here it is again.

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

That verse should say 'For if Joshua'.

klutedavid · Nov 1, 2020

imge said:
So than its okay to murder, lie, steal, cheat, worship false idols, covet etc. Are you saying God is okay with this immoral behavior? Does that really make sense? Do these things seem like something that would be important yesterday, today, tomorrow?

The Bible says Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

God seems to think His commandments are important and reminds us of that often in the Bible.

You quoted from Revelation.

Revelation 22:15
But outside are dogs and sorcerers...

Dogs are Gentiles.

Sorcery is condemned in the law but not in the ten commandments.

What are you trying to say in that quotation Revelation 22:15?

clefty · Nov 1, 2020

klutedavid said:
You will need to address this quotation from the KJV. There appears to be serious error in the translation.

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

The text does not say, 'For if Jesus', it should say, 'For if Joshua'.

The rest that Joshua gave Israel.

Joshua 23:1
And it came to pass a long time after that the Lord had given rest unto Israel from all their enemies round about, that Joshua waxed old and stricken in age.

Are you saying that there is no rest in Jesus?

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

Yup...He did give them rest...AND spoke of another day...of rest

Joshua 23:6 “Therefore be very courageous to keep and do all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses...

Yup...the Lord of Sabbath gave them rest...and Joshua still spoke of another day...of rest...

As in Joshua 22:4-5 “the Lord your God has given rest to your brethren...take diligent heed to do the commandments and the Law which Moses...commanded you...to LOVE the Lord your God, to walk in ALL His ways, to keep His commandments...with all your heart and with all your soul”

SEE?!!! There is rest in the Lord of the Sabbath...given to man by Him even BEFORE it was earned OR needed...

Neat eh?

Is why a sabbatismos a Sabbath keeping remains but only for His people...a Hebrew Greek linguistic mashup for a Jew Greek joining IN HIM into a New Creation a citizen of Israel...

Also neat...right?

LoveGodsWord · Nov 1, 2020

klutedavid said:
Yes I did read it and that is why I quoted you. Here it is again.

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

That verse should say 'For if Joshua'.

Here let me cut and paste from the post you did not quote me from that already addressed your question in detail. Perhaps you missed it. It may help if the key sections are highlighted in red or underlined.

HEBREWS 4:1-11
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: ALTHOUGH THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
[4], FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE (GENSIS 2:1-3) OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
[5], And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:1-5

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week and those who did not enter into God’s rest (Sabbath) did not do so because they did not believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel). The CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD (the Gospel that was preached unto them as well as unto us, with those of us entering into God’s Sabbath rest!

Let’s continue…

[6], SEEING THEREFORE IT REMAINS THAT SOME MUST ENTER THEREIN, AND THEY TO WHOM IT WAS FIRST PREACHED ENTERED NOT IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF

NOTE: Following on from the earlier contexts therefore it remains that some (those who believe and follow God’s Word – the gospel) and those who God’s Word (the gospel) was first preached did not enter in because of unbelief.

[7], Again, HE LIMITS A CERTAIN DAY, SAYING IN DAVID, TO DAY, AFTER SO LONG A TIME; AS IT IS SAID, TO DAY IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, HARDEN NOT YOUR HEARTS.

NOTE 1: He limits a certain day is in reference to David in Psalms 95 where David says…
[8], Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
[10], Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
[11], To whom I swore in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

Compare this with Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4:1-11. This reference is a warning not to harden our hearts as those in the wilderness that did not enter into God’s seventh day Sabbath rest because of their unbelief and because they did not believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel).

HEBREWS 4:1-7 CONTEXT SUMMARY

(1). Both God’s people in the wilderness and us “today” have had the Gospel preached to us “for to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them” v2

(2). The gospel did not profit those in the wilderness because they did not believe and follow God’s Word.

(3). God’ rest is defined in the scripture context as God’s “seventh day Sabbath rest” v4-5

(4). Those who do not believe and follow the gospel do not enter into God’s “seventh day Sabbath rest” and those of us (today) that do believe and follow Gods’ Word (the gospel) do enter into God’s Sabbath rest v3

(5). Paul is also referencing David in Psalms 95 which is a warning not to harden our hearts to believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel) so that we can enter into Gods’ rest (the seventh day Sabbath) v8

Ok all of the above is the context so far lets continue.

[8], FOR IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, THEN WOULD HE NOT AFTERWARD HAVE SPOKEN OF ANOTHER DAY.

Let’s put it all together. Both those in the wilderness and those of us “today” that have received the gospel of God’s Word have both had the gospel (Word of God) preached to us. Those who JESUS gave rest (Sabbath rest) are those of us who believe and follow God’s Word. By believing and following God’s Word we enter into Gods “seventh day Sabbath rest” as defined in Hebrews 4:4-5. The "another day" therefore is in reference to the gospel being preached "unto us" at the coming of the Messiah “Today if you will hear HIS VOICE {JESUS} harden not you’re your heart as in the day of the wilderness (Psalms 95; Hebrews 3). It is those of us that believe and follow God’s Word (the gospel) in JESUS "today" that enter into God’s rest which the context defines as the “seventh day sabbath”

[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
[10], For he that is entered into HIS REST, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[11], LET US LABOR THEREFORE TO ENTER THAT REST, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].

KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9
Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

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ANSWER:The another day is the coming of the messiah and the Gospel of our Lord JESUS Christ and only those who believe and follow his Word enter into his seventh day Sabbath rest. “Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

Your welcome.

LoveGodsWord · Nov 1, 2020

klutedavid said:
You quoted from Revelation.

Revelation 22:15
But outside are dogs and sorcerers...

Dogs are Gentiles.

Sorcery is condemned in the law but not in the ten commandments.

What are you trying to say in that quotation Revelation 22:15?

Indeed and in contrast to those who keep God's commandments, what law are murderers condemned by? Hint *Exodus 20:13 - Yep 10 commandments. You know what James says, you break anyone of them including the Sabbath we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them *James 2:10-11.

SabbathBlessings · Nov 1, 2020

klutedavid said:
You have already broken all those commandments. Your flesh is in opposition to God at every point.

That is why Jesus came to save us from our sin and the penalty of death.

I am not self righteous like you. I never claim that I could obey any commandment. I was rightly condemned by the law, by the ten commandments. If I even look at a woman with lust or think of someone as a fool, then I am condemned.

The ten commandments were the decrees against us.

No one is good, no one is righteous, not one person.

The ten commandments show us what sin is. The ten commandments are impossible to obey and they will always be broken by us.

If you claim to be free form sin, if you claim to be obedient to the law. Then you are a liar.

1 John 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Jesus would have died in vain if there was no law to save us from. 1 John 3:4 Jesus came to forgive us of our sins as a sacrifice, but that does not mean because He died it's okay to continue to sin. God is love and how we show God love is to keep His commandments 1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. We do not show God love by sinning! Ask God to help you keep His commandments and He will give you the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. No one is perfect, but God knows our heart and if you TRY to keep His laws the Holy Spirit will help you! If you break one of His laws asks for forgiveness and keep trying. You can not fool God, He knows our hearts. Have you ever tried to keep all 10 of His commandments? You say its impossible, which one do you struggle with? God can help YOU! He wants to! He died for you! What He asks for in return is so little compared to what He gave up for US!

clefty · Nov 1, 2020

imge said:
Jesus would have died in vain if there was no law to save us from. Jesus came to forgive us of our sins as a sacrifice, but that does not mean because He died it's okay to continue to sin.

IF the law could be changed or abolished why NOT change it BEFORE He had to suffer and die? Make the wages of sin a party with cake and balloon drop AND a pony...spare the life of His Son

God is love and how we show God love is to keep His commandments 1 John 5:3 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

yup..His descriptions of WHO He is and what His kingdom its lifestyle looks like...His LIVING ORACLES

We do not show God love by sinning! Ask God to help you keep His commandments and He will give you the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. No one is perfect, but God knows our heart and if you TRY to keep His laws the Holy Spirit will help you! If you break one of His laws asks for forgiveness and keep trying. You can not fool God, He knows our hearts. Have you ever tried to keep all 10 of His commandments? You say its impossible, which one do you struggle with? God can help YOU! He wants to! He died for you! What He asks for in return is so little compared to what He gave up for US!.

First it’s the Law is changed even abolished...WE ARE FREE...LIBERTY... LAW NOT FOR ME and then it’s NO ONE CAN KEEP IT...

Both David and Paul thought otherwise and delighted in His Law...Paul grateful through Him he could serve the Law...and establish the Living Oracles which our faith does NOT make void...to teach ALL to observe ALL He commanded us...ALL not just 9/10ths or less

obviously He expected we could...

never to be sinless but to sin less...

RBPerry · Nov 1, 2020

clefty said:
the day of rest was NOT made for man...the Sabbath was made for man and happens to be the seventh day to rest but after six of work...and was made Holy by the Creator and not WHOSEVER believes in Him...to reassign at their own will...HIS Will be done ya dig?

What did Jesus say about the Sabbath?
Mark 2:27-28 (NIV) Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
28 So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."

Jesus picked grain on the sabbath, performed miracles on the sabbath, those were all considered works by the Jews and it violated the Jewish customs. So, yes I do "dig", I had eight years of SDA shoved down my throat.
I could go on, we now know the Keto diet is one of the healthiest especially for weight control, lot's of meat, no or very few carbs, and you will be a lot healthier.
The SDA looks for holiness on the exterior with a bunch of man made rules that came out of the holiness movement. We have freedom in Christ.

RBPerry · Nov 1, 2020

I have a question, why is it the non denominational churches and Pentecostal churches are growing and the SDA and Baptist are declining? Please don't say it is separating the wheat, those brothers and sisters love the Lord every bit as much as any of my SDA friends.

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