Self-Deceit and Legalism

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You don't have to say it. James DID say it. Do you not know the scriptures? He didn't use the term "destroyed." He put it another way:

Jas 2:10 KJV - For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all.

You should learn the scriptures before trying to be a teacher who is allegedly authorized and empowered to change the scriptures, and to nullify what the scriptures teach.

You keep getting caught in your inconsistencies, and continue to speak as if you were never wrong.

Don't you know when to stop. be silent, and learn?

Jr

You say this because you have no respect for the God of the Bible and you have no love for Him.

For me, I have hope in this God, not disdain as you preach to the world each day.

Ex. 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Another Lie you claim God told Abraham's Children. But for me, hope that God is a merciful God.

As Paul teaches.

Phil. 3:And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, (purchasing my own forgiveness by taking my best goat to a Levite Priest) but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

The difference between your understanding and mine is that you have no respect for the God of the Bible, or His Mercy, you do not Glorify Him as God, and you promote absolute falsehoods about Him and His instructions every time to open your mouth.

For me, I'm OK with His instruction, I don't have to tell lies about Him in order to exalt some religious philosophy not found in the Holy Scriptures.

The fact that you believe the God of the Bible requires absolute obedience or He destroys us, is proof positive that you know nothing about Him or His Words, just as the mainstream preachers who killed Jesus knew nothing about Him.

We are all guilty, we all need salvation. You can ride the Pope into heaven if you believe it will get you there, it is certainly a path followed by "many". But for me, I'll trust Jesus' Father, and my Father for instruction in Righteousness, as Paul teaches.

Even if the popular "ministers of righteousness" in the religions of the land I was born into, preaches against Him.
 
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There is no Law of Moses which commanded Israel to go to Jerusalem.

My Hebrew Roots friends would disagree with you on that one who also don't obey the Law they claim to follow, as well as Deuteronomy:

According to the Law of Moses, God commanded the Israelites: “Three times a year shall all your men appear before the Lord your God in the place that God will choose [referring to the Temple in Jerusalem], on the festivals of Pesah (Passover), Shavuot (the Feast of Weeks), and Sukkot (the Festival of Booths). They shall not appear empty handed. Each shall bring his own gift, appropriate to the blessing which the Lord your God has given you” (Deuteronomy 16:16).

It's never any fun to find out you aren't obedient to the Law of Moses, and that you are therefore guilty of it ALL!

Jr
 
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You say this because you have no respect for the God of the Bible and you have no love for Him.

Oh, but you are judgmental, aren't you? I quoted James right from the Bible where you are proven wrong, and you sound as though you relegate him into the halls of the apostates. My, my, but that is indeed telling of your position. Tell me, do you consider all the apostles to be apostates, or just James?

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My Hebrew Roots friends would disagree with you on that one who also don't obey the Law they claim to follow, as well as Deuteronomy:

According to the Law of Moses, God commanded the Israelites: “Three times a year shall all your men appear before the Lord your God in the place that God will choose [referring to the Temple in Jerusalem], on the festivals of Pesah (Passover), Shavuot (the Feast of Weeks), and Sukkot (the Festival of Booths). They shall not appear empty handed. Each shall bring his own gift, appropriate to the blessing which the Lord your God has given you” (Deuteronomy 16:16).

The very first Passover was kept in the place God chose. It wasn't Jerusalem as you so zealously preach. Neither was the first Feast of Unleavened Bread, or Pentecost. Why? Because at that time they were appearing "before the Lord their God in the place that God chose".

Paul says the Law and Prophets are Spiritual. They they were specifically written for our admonition, and that the things that happened to them, happened as examples specifically for us. The Earthly Jerusalem rejected their God, as the Christ tells us.

Mal. 2:11 Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god.

12 The LORD will cut off the man that doeth this, the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth an offering unto the LORD of hosts.

And this same Christ again;

Matt. 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The earthy Jerusalem is corrupted.

Gal. 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. (Bondage to sin and deception)

Snared by satan to do it's will.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

God has removed His Name from the Earthly Jerusalem, and revoked the Covenant He made with Levi.

Mal. 2:7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.

8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.

We are in the New Covenant now, waiting for the New Jerusalem.

Rev. 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Jesus tells those interested in this truth.

John 4:20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And again;

Heb. 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, (Caleb, Abraham, Gideon, David, etc., examples of Faith written for our admonition)

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

And again;

Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So now, "Three times a year shall all your men appear before the Lord your God in the place that God will choose " is no longer the earthly Jerusalem, or Egypt (Sin) but in our mind as Paul teaches.

Ron. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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It's never any fun to find out you aren't obedient to the Law of Moses, and that you are therefore guilty of it ALL!

Jr [/QUOTE]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

In other words, men can obey the Father, and worship Him according to HIS Dictates, where ever God has scattered them. So your righteousness which preaches that it is a sin against God not to fly to Jerusalem to honor the Feast's of the Christ is just that, your righteousness.

His people are free to worship HIM in Spirit and Truth wherever they are. As the Prophets and Paul teaches:

1 Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

8 Therefore let us keep the feast, (Jew and Gentile, wherever we are) not with old leaven, (Like what happened in the Earthly Jerusalem) neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

In closing, I am corrupted, guilty of Sin no doubt. It is written that this corruption must put on in-corruption. Like Joshua with his dirty clothes standing before the Christ in the written vision. It is my Hope that the Christ of the Bible will remove my filthy garments and replace them with clean ones. But Until then I will "Strive" to walk even as He walked, as directed by HIS Word, not mine. And "Endure to the end" resisting all the darts thrown by the devil to convince me to listen to the "other" voice in the garden.

It is not against the God of the Bible to honor HIS Holy Instructions in the place HE has chosen to place HIS Name, and write His Laws, that is, the minds of repentant men.
 
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The very first Passover was kept in the place God chose. It wasn't Jerusalem as you so zealously preach. Neither was the first Feast of Unleavened Bread, or Pentecost. Why? Because at that time they were appearing "before the Lord their God in the place that God chose".

We weren't talking about the first passover. You know that good and well. This bait-n-switch game of yours is nothing but a straw man to distract away from the fact that the men were required to go do Jerusalem each year. I proved it with scripture, and here you are wandering around somewhere else.

Paul says the Law and Prophets are Spiritual. They they were specifically written for our admonition, and that the things that happened to them, happened as examples specifically for us. The Earthly Jerusalem rejected their God, as the Christ tells us.

You continue rejecting the Law written in hearts, and you have gone back to the letter. How pathetic.


Oh, yes. Here we go with "replacement theology." Figures!

You don't know what you are talking about.

Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

In other words, men can obey the Father, and worship Him according to HIS Dictates, where ever God has scattered them. So your righteousness which preaches that it is a sin against God not to fly to Jerusalem to honor the Feast's of the Christ is just that, your righteousness.

You are the one who points to the Law of Moses, and a return to that, as if THAT can make you righteous and acceptable before the Father.

[Mat 5:17 KJV] 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

You know nothing of what you speak. You don't even rightly discern the meaning of what Jesus meant when He spoke of His fulfillment of the Law. The language is clear, and you don't even understand.

In closing, I am corrupted, guilty of Sin no doubt. It is written that this corruption must put on in-corruption. Like Joshua with his dirty clothes standing before the Christ in the written vision. It is my Hope that the Christ of the Bible will remove my filthy garments and replace them with clean ones.

We don't have to "hope" for that. We WAIT for it, because it's a promise irrespective of earthly doubts. His promises are absolutely that.

But Until then I will "Strive" to walk even as He walked, as directed by HIS Word, not mine. And "Endure to the end" resisting all the darts thrown by the devil to convince me to listen to the "other" voice in the garden.

Our inadequacies and weaknesses are what makes His Power perfect.

It is not against the God of the Bible to honor HIS Holy Instructions in the place HE has chosen to place HIS Name, and write His Laws, that is, the minds of repentant men.

No, not just in the minds, but in the heart, in the "inward parts," as it is written.

Jr
 
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Oh, but you are judgmental, aren't you? I quoted James right from the Bible where you are proven wrong, and you sound as though you relegate him into the halls of the apostates. My, my, but that is indeed telling of your position. Tell me, do you consider all the apostles to be apostates, or just James?

Jr

Any person who claims to be a man of God, that preaches or implies that the God of the Bible lied to Israel, telling them they could keep His Laws they preach are impossible to keep, and then slaughtered those who didn't keep them, have a rebuke coming, for their own good. He says to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Teaching others such a falsehood about such a Merciful God, is certainly not how you would like to be treated, at least I wouldn't think you would like God telling others untruths about you.

We are all guilty. The difference between your religious philosophy and God's Word, is that you blame God and HIS Laws for the sin of the world, while God blames mans stubborn, stiff necked spiritually uncircumcised mind. I hope you might consider.

Heb. 12:12 Wherefore lift up the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees;

13 And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.

14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
 
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Any person who claims to be a man of God, that preaches or implies that the God of the Bible lied to Israel, telling them they could keep His Laws they preach are impossible to keep, and then slaughtered those who didn't keep them, have a rebuke coming, for their own good. He says to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Teaching others such a falsehood about such a Merciful God, is certainly not how you would like to be treated, at least I wouldn't think you would like God telling others untruths about you.

Again, you know nothing of which you speak. I never even implied God lied to Israel or anyone else. I simply disagree with you. Lying about what I have said will not shine a favorable light on your posts.

Jr
 
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We weren't talking about the first passover. You know that good and well. This bait-n-switch game of yours is nothing but a straw man to distract away from the fact that the men were required to go do Jerusalem each year. I proved it with scripture, and here you are wandering around somewhere else.

Duet. 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, (Pentecost) and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

None of which even exist without Passover. No bait and switch, just the powerful Sword of the Lord.


You continue rejecting the Law written in hearts, and you have gone back to the letter. How pathetic.

Wow, you use select scriptures to promote your own religious philosophy and are blameless, yet when I post scriptures you say I've "gone back to the letter". How typically hypocritical.


Oh, yes. Here we go with "replacement theology." Figures!

Fascinating. I quote the Christ's own Words, and you Judge Him now. First His Father, and now His Son. Wow.

You are the one who points to the Law of Moses, and a return to that, as if THAT can make you righteous and acceptable before the Father.

I let the Word's of Jesus guide my footsteps.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

As it is to this day!!

"[Mat 5:17 KJV] 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

You know nothing of what you speak. You don't even rightly discern the meaning of what Jesus meant when He spoke of His fulfillment of the Law. The language is clear, and you don't even understand.

Yes, "Think Not that HE came to destroy the Law" we should be a doer of His instruction, not a hearer only. Your entire religious philosophy is founded on the falsehood that Jesus destroyed the Law. He just told you not to even think such blasphemy, and yet you not only think it, but you preach it to the whole world.

We don't have to "hope" for that. We WAIT for it, because it's a promise irrespective of earthly doubts. His promises are absolutely that.

Again, you have your own religious philosophy, and the Christ of the Bible has HIS.

Rom. 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

And again;

Rom. 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

And again;

Gal. 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

I "Hope" God's Words are more righteous than the religions of the land you promote. Because I'm all in for Him.

Our inadequacies and weaknesses are what makes His Power perfect.

1 Cor. 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

No, not just in the minds, but in the heart, in the "inward parts," as it is written.

Jr

The heart is a muscle, meat. Surely you know this. Our minds are the inward parts of HIS People that God places His Laws in. As Paul says.

Rom. 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

And again.

Phil 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
 
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Again, you know nothing of which you speak. I never even implied God lied to Israel or anyone else. I simply disagree with you. Lying about what I have said will not shine a favorable light on your posts.
Jr

Your preaching implies that God's Laws are the Yoke of Bondage which caused the fall of Israel. That after God saved Israel from the sin and deception of Egypt, He tortured them for 40 years by placing 613 laws on their necks that were impossible to keep. Yet God told them not only to keep them, but also told them they could keep them, which you preach is not true.

duet 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

Your religious philosophy and this thread you started falls apart under any honest examination of scriptures because so much of what you espouse contradicts the Word's of the Christ of the Bible Himself.

At times like this, we are given a choice just as Eve was given a choice. Do we believe the Word's of God and reject the religious philosophy of men? Or do we cherish and preserve the religion of the land and their religious philosophies, and reject God's Word, as the mainstream preachers of Jesus time did?

We disagree because you are promoting a religious philosophy which requires the believer thereof to reject many Words of God, something I have been persuaded not to do. By the "letter of the Law" a man who does this evil is cut off from among God's People. But the Mercy of this same God gives us a chance to repent and "turn to God".

As it is written, Moses gave us the Laws of God, but Jesus gives us Grace and Mercy

"if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

I hope you might consider the path less followed, the path Jesus walked.
 
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Your preaching implies that God's Laws are the Yoke of Bondage which caused the fall of Israel.

I'm not sure what your agenda is to lie about what I said, but it is what it is.

If you don't like it that Peter declared the Law of Moses the burden they and their forefathers could not bear, then take that up with him.

That after God saved Israel from the sin and deception of Egypt, He tortured them for 40 years by placing 613 laws on their necks that were impossible to keep. Yet God told them not only to keep them, but also told them they could keep them, which you preach is not true.

duet 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Deuteronomy-30-14/

They learned the hard way that they could not live the Law perfectly. If they had, then why the sin sacrifices, peace offerings, etc.? You really need to do a reality check.

[Mat 19:17-21 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [NOTICE JESUS DID NOT SAY ALL THE LAW OF MOSES.] 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

Did you get that? The last item is/was not in the Law of Moses. Only God is good, and the boy says, "Me too! Been that way since I was a young boy." Rather than to argue with the boy, the Lord laid down one more item not even in the Law of Moses, and here you are pretending that the Law of Moses is something that must be adhered to in addition to what is actually the finished work of the cross. Your gospel is a false one! Does it not stand that your gospel brings about only the condemnation Paul spoke of for being accursed?

If the Law of Moses were still required upon us, what purpose did it serve for Jesus to fulfill it? You don't even understand the meaning of that word "fulfill", as is evident in your continued copy and past of all that stuff you post. There's no substance behind your religion.

The boy was asking about what it would take to have eternal life, and he was told to go and do something that was not even commanded in the Law of Moses.

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I'm not sure what your agenda is to lie about what I said, but it is what it is.

If you don't like it that Peter declared the Law of Moses the burden they and their forefathers could not bear, then take that up with him.

Peter didn't direct the Gentiles away from Moses, he just turned them away from the white washed walls who claimed to be from Moses. He actually gave them some Laws of Moses to follow, knowing that they would learn "instruction in righteousness", not from the mainstream preachers of the land, but from the mouth of Moses himself, read every Sabbath. That is why he and James directed the New Converts to hear Moses, which was also a directive Jesus gave to them.

My Agenda is to address your religious philosophy that ignores and hides from these truths, in order to diminish the God of the Bible. Peter did not do or teach such things.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Of course, you must bury these Word's as they don't promote your own religious philosophy.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

This of course would explain why Peter and James sent the New Converts to hear from Moses, and away from the mainstream religious men of his time. Because Peter believed Jesus, he knew these men "said", but did not do. And that their religious philosophy had led God's People astray, not God as you preach to the world.

What is your agenda? Why would you pick one sentence from Peter, take it out of context, ignore the rest of his Spirit inspired teaching, and build an entire religious philosophy around it?

I have asked this before but you can't even discuss it. How were God's Laws a Yoke of Bondage that Caleb or Joshua or Gideon or David or Zacharias, or Simeon, or Anna couldn't bear? Why is it necessary for me to erase so much of God's Words to be in agreement of your religious philosophy?
They learned the hard way that they could not live the Law perfectly. If they had, then why the sin sacrifices, peace offerings, etc.? You really need to do a reality check.

I'm not interested in your mainstream religious reality. I am interested in seeking the Kingdom of God and HIS Righteousness. That is why I believe "ALL" that is written for my admonition, not just the few scriptures which can twisted to prop up a religious philosophy which implies that God's Laws brought Israel down, not their own stubborn, selfish stiff necked ways.

God provided atonement for His People because HE Loves them, and wishes all to be saved. He gave His only Son to die so I would have another chance to choose, and choose HIM this time around. Why are you so against these truths?

[Mat 19:17-21 KJV] 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [NOTICE JESUS DID NOT SAY ALL THE LAW OF MOSES.] 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me.

Did you get that? The last item is/was not in the Law of Moses. Only God is good, and the boy says, "Me too! Been that way since I was a young boy." Rather than to argue with the boy, the Lord laid down one more item not even in the Law of Moses, and here you are pretending that the Law of Moses is something that must be adhered to in addition to what is actually the finished work of the cross. Your gospel is a false one! Does it not stand that your gospel brings about only the condemnation Paul spoke of for being accursed?

Jesus didn't call it the Law of Moses, because it was God's Law, not Moses as you are constantly preaching as though Moses created his own laws. He also didn't tell the man to Love God with all his heart, and love thy neighbor as thyself. But even a child, if you were to be honest, would have no doubt about "WHICH" Law Jesus said to Follow to inherit Life.

It is true this man had been convinced he was already saved by the mainstream preachers of his time, as he claimed obedience to God as did the Pharisees in Acts 15. But Jesus knew he placed his religion above the God of the Bible. He was in violation of the First Commandment.

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

So your preaching that Jesus was promoting Laws not given by God to Moses is again, False.

Of course in your religious philosophy Jesus was lying to this man, as you preach these same Laws He told the crowd to follow, are the same Laws you preach to the world are the Yoke of Bondage that Israel couldn't bear.

If the Law of Moses were still required upon us, what purpose did it serve for Jesus to fulfill it? You don't even understand the meaning of that word "fulfill", as is evident in your continued copy and past of all that stuff you post. There's no substance behind your religion.

I know for certain that "Fulfill" and "Destroy" have opposite definitions in the context Jesus used them. But you preach they mean the same.

Jesus became my High Priest as Prophesied throughout the Law and Prophets, did HE Fulfill these Prophesies regarding HIMSELF? Sure He did. He also "Became obedient unto death" or as HE says in another place "Endured to the end", and instructed me to do the same.

Your hatred and enmity against God's Laws is common, especially among religious men and Paul warned about it. There is a cost in this life for following the Christ of the Bible, there is no cost in this life in following the religious philosophies and doctrines of men.

The boy was asking about what it would take to have eternal life, and he was told to go and do something that was not even commanded in the Law of Moses.
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Placing religions, family, money, fame, pride, selfishness above the Word of God is one of the very pillars of God's Law given to Moses. For you to preach otherwise is just more proof of how out of touch you really are regarding the "Righteousness of God.

Paul describes this man perfectly in Rom. 10.

Rom. 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

God's Law, as inspired by the Spirit of the Christ Himself in David, is God's Righteousness.

Ps. 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness. 173 Let thine hand help me; for I have chosen thy precepts. 174 I have longed for thy salvation, O LORD; and thy law is my delight.

Given that you preach to the world that God's Law David Cherished is the Yoke of Bondage that Israel couldn't bear, it is obvious that you are ignorant of God's Righteousness and are going about to establish your own.

Jesus didn't direct the guy in the scripture you referenced to "establish his own righteousness" as you do, Jesus directed this man to "submit himself to the righteousness of God". The same "righteousness" you preach is a Yoke of Bondage Caleb and Joshua and Zacharias couldn't bear.

You will never find a place where Jesus is directing His People to ignore the instructions from God. The serpent? Yes! satan? Yes! Religious men? Yes! But not Jesus.

What if HE is actually telling the truth. You might want to consider this possibility.
 
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Peter didn't direct the Gentiles away from Moses, he just turned them away from the white washed walls who claimed to be from Moses.

Allow me to quote the scriptures you disagree with, in context:

[Act 15:5-20, 22-29 KJV] 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood. ... 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell [you] the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You words are false, for it was the MESSAGE to the Gentiles those judaisers stated, which is to be circumcised and follow the Law of Moses. Perhaps YOU can't read the clear language of this context, but most others can, and your false teachings are laid bare for all to see.

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Allow me to quote the scriptures you disagree with, in context:

[Act 15:5-20, 22-29 KJV] 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses. 6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men [and] brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. 12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men [and] brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood. ... 22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; [namely], Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 23 And they wrote [letters] by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren [send] greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell [you] the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

You words are false, for it was the MESSAGE to the Gentiles those judaisers stated, which is to be circumcised and follow the Law of Moses. Perhaps YOU can't read the clear language of this context, but most others can, and your false teachings are laid bare for all to see.

Jr.

Of course you can't post the entire Chapter, nor can you consider any other Word's of God because you are here to promote your own religious philosophy, and you must omit any Holy scriptures which bring your own righteousness into question.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Of course to recognize this verse would cause your entire religious philosophy to fall apart because it is exposing the falsehood you preach that Peter is turning men away from Moses, only to turn them back to Moses. You must also omit from your religion what JESUS Himself directed Peter to do, which explains why Peter directed these men away from the religious men who "SAID" they promote God's Laws, when Peter knew they didn't, and directed them to the Synagogues to hear directly from the Law of Moses, instead of the men Jesus said "Say, but do not do".

Matt. 24:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,

2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:

3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

This is why Peter turned the New Converts away from the religious preachers of his time, because Peter knew they were trying "to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?". And directed them to Moses because, as Jesus said, " If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Since I'm not here preaching that God lied to Israel, and deceived them into follow a "Way of the Lord" that caused their destruction, I am free to listen to and believe "ALL" that is written, and not just take a few verses here and there to promote ancient religious philosophies of men.

You are free to do so as you have chosen. But I am going to follow the instructions of the Christ of the Bible.

"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word which proceeds from the mouth of God". When a man does this, it becomes clear what the "Yoke of Bondage" was, and who placed it on the necks of men.
 
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Of course you can't post the entire Chapter, nor can you consider any other Word's of God because you are here to promote your own religious philosophy, and you must omit any Holy scriptures which bring your own righteousness into question.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Acts-15-21/

That was not in my quote because it's legalists who see that as a promotion of their warped and twisted theology. That was a statement for what was at that time. In every city "...of old time..." throughout Israel, were synagogues where Moses was preached. Yes. Dare you try to promote that sentence as a command to return back to what was preached in every city since old times, and you will be seen as a false teacher, for you will have then revealed the very nature of false teaching.

The letter sent to the Gentile churches said nothing about returning to the teachings in synagogues. That letter was specific, and was a lead-in to what Paul later taught. That letter stated ONLY "24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell [you] the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

All your other demands for going to the Law of Moses is an argument from utter silence.

[Rom 8:3-4 KJV] 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

That speaks loud volumes. It clearly states that the Law of Moses could not do for the people what only Christ would do, and did, later, which is now past. The righteousness of the Law is accomplished in us ONLY by the Spirit from the finished work of Christ Jesus. Nowhere did the apostles direct that Jews and non-Jews continue the feasts and dietary laws penned by Moses. Your words ring hollow and from the deafening silence of legalism.

You really have nothing else you can say that will ever negate what is written. My religion is that of what is written in the Bible. I'm a biblicist, not a baptist, pentacostal, roman catholic or anything else. Your false accusations are meaningless. They lack the merit of truth.

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That was not in my quote because it's legalists who see that as a promotion of their warped and twisted theology. That was a statement for what was at that time. In every city "...of old time..." throughout Israel, were synagogues where Moses was preached.

Yes, that was then. Now we all have copies of the Book of Moses in our very own homes. We don't need to hear a self proclaimed preacher read to us the Oracles of God and omit whatever parts of God's Word which teach contrary to their religious philosophy, we can read for ourselves. And when we do read it for ourselves, we find that the "Yoke" the fathers couldn't bear, was the doctrines and traditions of men the Pharisees taught, that they called the Law of Moses. Peter knew how to combat their cleaver deception, and that was by exposing new converts directly to Moses, being read directly from the Book of the Law, as Jesus directed them to do.

Matt. 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, 2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, (they preach Moses) and do not.

Peter knew who placed the Yoke of Bondage and deception on the necks of the fathers, because HE listened and believed in the Christ of the Bible, and he also knew the Law and Prophets.

4 For they (Pharisees, not God as "many" falsely preach) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Peter knew who they were because he believed and understood the "leaven of the Pharisees".

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

So Peter knew the Prophesies about restoring the "way of the Lord" that the religious leaders of that time had corrupted.

Acts 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, (Not religious men who transgress God's Commandments by their own traditions) and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

So Peter pretty much ignored the religious philosophies of the Pharisees and went straight to Moses.

Acts 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (All directly from the Law of Moses)

21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Exactly how Jesus directed them, only "Do as they say, but not as they do", because they say they follow Moses, but they do not.

Yes. Dare you try to promote that sentence as a command to return back to what was preached in every city since old times, and you will be seen as a false teacher, for you will have then revealed the very nature of false teaching.

Yes, how dare I post the Word's of the Christ inspired Holy Scriptures which expose ancient religious philosophies as from man and not from the God of the Bible?

The letter sent to the Gentile churches said nothing about returning to the teachings in synagogues. That letter was specific, and was a lead-in to what Paul later taught. That letter stated ONLY "24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, [Ye must] be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no [such] commandment: 25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell [you] the same things by mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

All your other demands for going to the Law of Moses is an argument from utter silence.

It was Jesus Himself, and Peter who directed men to the Law of Moses. At least, according to the Christ of the Bible.

Your anger and disbelief at the teaching of Peter, that God gives His Holy Spirit to those who obey HIM, is common among religious men.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.33 When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.


[Rom 8:3-4 KJV] 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Yes, the Law of God could not take away sin. If I killed a man yesterday, but not today, I am still guilty. Just because I didn't kill anyone today, doesn't mean I am free from the consequences of my action yesterday. My actions today do not erase my actions yesterday. Keeping God's Commandment today, doesn't release me from the consequences of breaking them yesterday. I still need atonement.

Since the Laws of God can not grant atonement, in that it is weak through the flesh, (the law can only take life, not give it to those already dead) God did by sending His Son to pay the death penalty for me. Now that I am "free from sin", that is my past transgressions have been removed, remembered no more, I am now free to "change" my WALK, and strive now to WALK a different path, the path Jesus walked.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

That speaks loud volumes. It clearly states that the Law of Moses could not do for the people what only Christ would do, and did, later, which is now past. The righteousness of the Law is accomplished in us ONLY by the Spirit from the finished work of Christ Jesus. Nowhere did the apostles direct that Jews and non-Jews continue the feasts and dietary laws penned by Moses. Your words ring hollow and from the deafening silence of legalism.

As is your custom, you have omitted a very important part of Paul's Words here in order to promote popular religious philosophy..

"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." And according to Paul what is Spiritual.

Rom. 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, (Not a Yoke of Bondage as "many" falsely preach) and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. (That means no) But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Paul taught against transgressing God's Commandments. He taught that transgression is evil, really really bad, Exceedingly sinful. This is why the penalty was so steep for transgressing God's Commandments. When the Lamb of God shed His Blood for the sins of the world, we were all freed from this death, free from sin and the penalty the Law placed on us. Without this Blood, repentance has no place. Becoming a "new man" would be a vain exercise. But now we are free to become a "new man", a man who "WALKS" a different path. A man who is not just a hearer of God's Laws, as before, but a "doer".

Of course the prince of this world preaches against this concept as it did from the very beginning with Eve. It has convinced "many" they "shall surely not die" that they are eternally secure. And that God's Laws are a Yoke of Bondage that makes men blind.

Many, who come in Jesus' Name, are furthering this same religious philosophy today, as Jesus, the Prophets, and Paul warns about over and over and over and over and over and over again.. For me, I don't care about popular religious philosophy of men, I care about being right with God.

You really have nothing else you can say that will ever negate what is written. My religion is that of what is written in the Bible. I'm a biblicist, not a baptist, pentacostal, roman catholic or anything else. Your false accusations are meaningless. They lack the merit of truth.
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I'm not negating anything written. I don't believe your religious philosophy that the God of the Bible lied to Israel, and deceived him by placing impossible to keep, "yoke of Bondage" on their necks that they could bear for 40 years, told them they could keep them, then slaughtered them when they didn't. Yet this is the implication of the very foundation of your religious philosophy.

I know you will not be persuaded of the Righteousness of God. Not because I think so, but because Jesus said so.

Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

But God says His Word doesn't return void, so there is always hope.
 
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Yes, that was then. Now we all have copies of the Book of Moses in our very own homes.

And nowhere in that Book does it say that Gentiles and Jews must continue trying to live the Law of Moses. What IS said in that Book is that the old was inferior to what has come to us that was new, and that we are to live by that Spirit rather than the letter that kills.

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And nowhere in that Book does it say that Gentiles and Jews must continue trying to live the Law of Moses. What IS said in that Book is that the old was inferior to what has come to us that was new, and that we are to live by that Spirit rather than the letter that kills.

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That is your religious philosophy, not the Christ's.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

The problem with the mainstream preachers of Jesus' time was their refusal to submit to the God of the Bible, including the very first of the 10 Commandments.

Ex. 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

The preachers of Jesus time placed their own power, money and religion, their own religious philosophy, before the God of the Bible and HIS Word. This religion was their most precious possession, was their god.


This still goes on today but in a much bigger scale. Our arguments are the perfect example with you refusing to consider ANY Scriptures which doesn't further your religious philosophy, that is, that God lied to and deceived Israel by commanding them to follow a Law which "killed them", when HE told them they would "live" and be blessed, if they followed His Laws as Abraham did. Your stubborn, stiff necked refusal to even consider God's Words which expose this philosophy as false, is a perfect reflection of the Pharisees, and religions in general.

God's Laws, Commandments, and Statutes that Abraham obeyed, but Israel didn't, are not become obsolete as you, and Benny Hinn preach to the world. What changed was the atonement "LAW" God "ADDED", because of Transgessions of God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments. A Priesthood Law, ADDED 430 years after Abraham, which specifically dealt with the manner in which God's Law is administered (Levite Priests) and the manner in which transgressions of God's Laws were atoned for. (Death of animals)

The mainstream preachers of Jesus time couldn't accept the Scriptures which Jesus pointed out, that they "omitted" from their religion, just as you can't accept the Scriptures I have posted which expose your religious philosophy.

As it is written, Truly there is nothing new under the sun.
 
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