The Different Inheritances.

Marilyn C · Nov 1, 2020

I was asked this question on another thread, and so as to not get that thread off topic I have decided to make a separate one. Many people many have not studied this subject so I think it will be good to look into it from God`s word.

What is God` s Purpose?

First, we all know that God`s purposes are all in Christ.

`God…. He made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in Himself, with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth. ` (Eph. 1: 9 & 10 NAS)

`…the purpose which He (Father) has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ.` (Eph. 1:10 Wey)

We also know that - Christ is pre-eminent. (Col. 1: 18)

Christ is `far above all principality and power and might and dominion and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And (God the Father) put all things under His feet and gave Him as Head over all things…` (Eph. 1: 21 & 22)

Thus there will be a `summing up of all things in Christ,` they will come under the Headship of Christ. We know in Colossians that `all things,` involve many realms.

`For by Him (Christ) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.` (Col. 1: 16)

Marilyn C · Nov 1, 2020

So are God`s people all in the same realm or in different places?

I believe God`s word tells us that He has promised His people a place in His great Kingdom, an inheritance.

The Highest realm, the third heaven where the angels reside. The Lord Jesus Christ has His throne there and promised that those in the Body of Christ that they will be there also.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on His throne.` (Rev. 3: 21)

The Universal heavens, lower down. This is where the planets and stars are. This realm has been promised to the Old Testament saints.

`Now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

`Then I, John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,..` (Rev. 21: 2)

There we see that the city comes down out of the (higher) heaven from God. This is God`s rulership in the Universal realm over the earth.

The Earth. There we are told that `the nations of the saved,` will be on the new earth. These are those who did not know of Christ but lived according to their conscience and were judged according to their works.

` And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 13)

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its(NJ) light, and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it.` (Rev. 21: 24)

So we see that each realm that the Lord made will have those in rulership under His Headship. They are all in God`s family and in His great kingdom encompassing all of His creation and realms.

An interesting topic to discuss…..

keras · Nov 1, 2020

Our heritage; the promises of God:
Ephesians 1:11-14 In Christ we have been given our share in the heritage, as was decreed in His design …for it was God’s will that we, who were the first to set our hope on Jesus and to praise His glory.

And, in Christ, you Christians also, once you believed and received the Holy Spirit, the promise of the inheritance that will be ours, when God has redeemed all of His own, to His glory and praise.

Ephesians 3:6 Through the Gospel, the Gentiles are joint heirs with the Jews, part of the same body, sharers together in the promises made through Jesus.

Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit of God affirms that we are His children and if children, then also the heirs of God and fellow heirs with Jesus, but we must share His suffering if we are to share His glory.

Romans 8:19 The Created universe is waiting with eager expectation for God’s sons to be revealed.

Our greatest hope as born again Christians, is the promise of eternal life. John 3:16,Titus 3:5-7, +

But we also inherit the Land promises, Psalms 37:29, Ezekiel 36:8-12, Ezekiel 34:11-31 It is we Christians, from every tribe, race, nation and language, that are the vast multitude seen waving palm branches in Jerusalem. Revelation 7:9

We are the ones who have passed thru the great ordeal of the Sixth Seal disaster and have earned the white garments by standing firm in our faith. Revelation 7:14

Note: in Romans 8:19, that God’s true children are not yet made known, Jesus will come with His winnowing fork and sift the wheat from the chaff. Matthew 3:12 Those Christians who stood strong in their faith when He comes in fire, Luke 12:49, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-8, are the wheat that will be gathered into the granary of the holy Land. The chaff of the ungodly peoples will be as ashes under our feet. Isaiah 66:17, Malachi 4:3, 2 Peter 3:7

Marilyn C · Nov 2, 2020

God`s word warns us -

`Let no one defraud you of your reward......(Col. 2: 18)

`knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance,...` (Col. 3: 24)

`Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 3 & 4)

keras · Nov 2, 2020

Marilyn C said:
God`s word warns us -

`Let no one defraud you of your reward......(Col. 2: 18)

`knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance,...` (Col. 3: 24)

`Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 3 & 4)

But heaven is not our place, the earth is the place we were made to inhabit. God has angels to serve Him in heaven.
Our citizenship is kept in heaven, in the Book of Life and those whose names are Written in it, will receive immortality. God will then come to dwell with mankind on earth. Revelation 21:1-7
All AFTER the Millennium.

Marilyn C · Nov 2, 2020

`Thus says the LORD:
"Heaven is my throne and earth is my footstool." (Isa. 66: 1)

`To Him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on MY THRONE, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.` (Rev. 3: 21)

sovereigngrace · Nov 2, 2020

Marilyn C said:
So are God`s people all in the same realm or in different places?

I believe God`s word tells us that He has promised His people a place in His great Kingdom, an inheritance.

The Highest realm, the third heaven where the angels reside. The Lord Jesus Christ has His throne there and promised that those in the Body of Christ that they will be there also.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on His throne.` (Rev. 3: 21)

The Universal heavens, lower down. This is where the planets and stars are. This realm has been promised to the Old Testament saints.

`Now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

`Then I, John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,..` (Rev. 21: 2)

There we see that the city comes down out of the (higher) heaven from God. This is God`s rulership in the Universal realm over the earth.

The Earth. There we are told that `the nations of the saved,` will be on the new earth. These are those who did not know of Christ but lived according to their conscience and were judged according to their works.

` And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.` (Rev. 20: 13)

`And the nations of those who are saved shall walk in its(NJ) light, and the kings of the earth shall bring their glory and honour into it.` (Rev. 21: 24)

So we see that each realm that the Lord made will have those in rulership under His Headship. They are all in God`s family and in His great kingdom encompassing all of His creation and realms.

An interesting topic to discuss…..

All nations, all peoples, all mankind, are one in Christ from the beginning. You have been shown that repeatedly and have repeatedly rejected it, choosing rather to divide up the people of God for some strange reason. There is no apartheid with God. We are all one. All outside this group have one birth, are birthed in Adam, and are destined for a lost eternity.

Marilyn C · Nov 2, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
All nations, all peoples, all mankind, is one in Christ from the beginning. You have been shown that repeatedly and have repeatedly rejected it, choosing rather to divide up the people of God for some strange reason. There is no apartheid with God. We are all one. All outside this group have one birth, are birthed in Adam, and are destined for a lost eternity.

Hi sg,

Mmmm no scriptures or relating to what I have posted. Just your opinion it seems.

sovereigngrace · Nov 2, 2020

Marilyn C said:
Hi sg,

Mmmm no scriptures or relating to what I have posted. Just your opinion it seems.

You normally ignore any Scripture I submit. Why even try?

Marilyn C · Nov 2, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
You normally ignore any Scripture I submit. Why even try?

Hi sovereigngrace,

I don`t think you would intentionally lie, so I believe we have been misunderstanding each other when we discuss. I`m sorry about that. Now if you would like to discuss, then I will try specifically to reply to your scriptures before I post mine.

Hope we can discuss. Marilyn.

sovereigngrace · Nov 3, 2020

Marilyn C said:
Hi sovereigngrace,

I don`t think you would intentionally lie, so I believe we have been misunderstanding each other when we discuss. I`m sorry about that. Now if you would like to discuss, then I will try specifically to reply to your scriptures before I post mine.

Hope we can discuss. Marilyn.

I believe the same of you. Thanks. I am on vacation so do not have access to a computer.

sovereigngrace · Nov 3, 2020

Marilyn C said:
Hi sovereigngrace,

I don`t think you would intentionally lie, so I believe we have been misunderstanding each other when we discuss. I`m sorry about that. Now if you would like to discuss, then I will try specifically to reply to your scriptures before I post mine.

Hope we can discuss. Marilyn.

Ok. Let's start here.

Jesus said prior to the cross, speaking to His Jewish converts, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

This is talking about there merging of faithful Israel with the faithful Gentiles.

The continuation of the believing Israeli flock, and its morphing into the New Testament congregation, confirmed the expansion of faithful Israel in the new covenant period. It also explains the Israeli identify of the new covenant people of God and demonstrates the sense of continuity that existed between both covenant eras. Gentiles were now to be corralled into faithful Israel in extraordinary numbers. They trusted in Israel’s Messiah, they joined the old covenant flock, and became the New Testament people of God. This was a radical overhaul for even the most open-minded of Christ’s disciples. We saw that in their parochial response to Christ’s kingdom teaching in Acts 1:6 and with their struggle in the book of Acts to come to terms with accommodating Gentiles joining the congregation (ekklesia) on an equal basis to that of Jews.

Marilyn C · Nov 3, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
Ok. Let's start here.

Jesus said prior to the cross, speaking to His Jewish converts, in John 10:14-16, “I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

.

Hi SG,

Good. Thank you for your comments which lay out in summary your thoughts. So now I will look at what you are saying and write what I think you say, to make sure I am hearing you correctly. These points I think we agree on.

So to John 10: 14 - 16. We see that the Lord is actually talking to the Pharisees. (John 9: 40, 10: 1, 7) However I do think like you that there were Jesus` disciples there also.

The `sheep fold.` Jesus is the `door` and those who enter are His `sheep.` (John. 10: 7 - 14) So I believe that all who come to the Lord are His `sheep` and thus `one fold.`

I also believe that in the Body of Christ there is no Jew or Gentile distinction.

So far, some agreement, I think.

Marilyn.

BABerean2 · Nov 3, 2020

Marilyn C said:
The Highest realm, the third heaven where the angels reside. The Lord Jesus Christ has His throne there and promised that those in the Body of Christ that they will be there also.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne as I also overcame and sat down with my Father on His throne.` (Rev. 3: 21)

The Universal heavens, lower down. This is where the planets and stars are. This realm has been promised to the Old Testament saints.

`Now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.` (Heb. 11: 16)

`Then I, John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,..` (Rev. 21: 2)

There we see that the city comes down out of the (higher) heaven from God. This is God`s rulership in the Universal realm over the earth.

Have you erased the verses below from your Bible, in order to make your Three Peoples of God doctrine work, or do you redefine it, or do you ignore it?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Where did you come up with this idea?

.

Marilyn C · Nov 3, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Have you erased the verses below from your Bible, in order to make your Three Peoples of God doctrine work, or do you redefine it, or do you ignore it?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Where did you come up with this idea?

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BB,

I think you need to be gracious and not continually putting down others who see things differently from you.

Now we see in Ps. 2 that the Father has set His Son as King on Mount Zion. And we see in the scriptures that you posted that Mount Zion is in the highest heaven.

So can you please show me where in scripture we see Mount Zion coming down out of heaven from God?

BABerean2 · Nov 3, 2020

Marilyn C said:
BB,

I think you need to be gracious and not continually putting down others who see things differently from you.

Now we see in Ps. 2 that the Father has set His Son as King on Mount Zion. And we see in the scriptures that you posted that Mount Zion is in the highest heaven.

So can you please show me where in scripture we see Mount Zion coming down out of heaven from God?

Can you show me where Paul was wrong in the verse below?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

.

Marilyn C · Nov 3, 2020

BABerean2 said:
Can you show me where Paul was wrong in the verse below?

Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

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If you answer me I will answer you.

BABerean2 · Nov 4, 2020

Marilyn C said:
If you answer me I will answer you.

We have been through all of this before.

There is only one people of God in John 10:16, instead of three.

The inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16, is the same as ours in Galatians 4:26, and Hebrews 12:22-23, and Revelation 3:12.

Your Three Peoples of God doctrine is something I have never heard from any other source.
It is a private interpretation of the text, which must ignore scripture to work.

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sovereigngrace · Nov 4, 2020

Marilyn C said:
Hi SG,

Good. Thank you for your comments which lay out in summary your thoughts. So now I will look at what you are saying and write what I think you say, to make sure I am hearing you correctly. These points I think we agree on.

So to John 10: 14 - 16. We see that the Lord is actually talking to the Pharisees. (John 9: 40, 10: 1, 7) However I do think like you that there were Jesus` disciples there also.

The `sheep fold.` Jesus is the `door` and those who enter are His `sheep.` (John. 10: 7 - 14) So I believe that all who come to the Lord are His `sheep` and thus `one fold.`

I also believe that in the Body of Christ there is no Jew or Gentile distinction.

So far, some agreement, I think.

Marilyn.

Ok. According to Jesus, mankind is either sheep or goats. There is no other individual. These represent saved and lost.

Marilyn C · Nov 4, 2020

BABerean2 said:
We have been through all of this before.

There is only one people of God in John 10:16, instead of three.

The inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16, is the same as ours in Galatians 4:26, and Hebrews 12:22-23, and Revelation 3:12.

Your Three Peoples of God doctrine is something I have never heard from any other source.
It is a private interpretation of the text, which must ignore scripture to work.

.

Hi BB,

I realise this is new to you. It was a revelation that came out of the Welsh Revival, early last century. We, the Body of Christ have had quite a lot of clarification of truth by the Holy Spirit during last century and you would know of them. The eternal purposes as I`ve been writing is the last great clarification of truth before the Body comes to full maturity of the knowledge of Christ and His purposes.

`...till we all come to the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God to a perfect, (mature) man, to the measure of the fullness of Christ.` (Eph. 4: 13)

So I`ll answer my question to you, concerning Mount Zion and then we will see that it also answers your question to me regarding `Jerusalem the mother of us all.`

Mount Zion.

(God the Father says ) ` I have set my King on my holy hill of Mount Zion.` (Ps. 2: 6)

`(God the Father ) seated Him, (Jesus) at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all principality and power and might and dominion and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come, and He has put all things under His feet...` (Eph. 1: 20 - 22)

Thus we see that the Lord Jesus has been placed by the Father `far above all,` as King, on Mount Zion.

You then rightly posted Hebrews 12: 22 - 24.

`...you have come to Mount Zion AND to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels..` (Heb. 12: 22)

So there we see that Mount Zion is in the highest realm and then we also see that the `city` is there too. Together, Mount Zion AND the city are called, the heavenly Jerusalem.

Note: on earth Mount Zion AND the city make up Jerusalem. People have only thought of the city part, but Mount Zion is very much included in Jerusalem, for it was where God`s Kings ruled. And this is but a type of the heavenly Jerusalem - Mount Zion AND the city.

The City.

Next we see that the city will come down out of heaven from God to near the earth in the NHNE.

Mount Zion DOES NOT come down for the Lord Jesus` throne, has been set by the Father on Mount Zion in the highest realm, far above all.

Thus we realise that Jerusalem above is the mother of us all, as -

the Body of Christ has been promised to sit with the Lord on His own throne (Mount Zion) far above all. (Rev. 3: 21)

while the OT saints have been promised the city which comes down to the lower heavens. (Heb. 11: 16)

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