Do People Believe Homosexuality Still Abomination To God?

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Now that we have established that homosexuality is considered a sin, let’s take a look at the Lord’s wrath being poured out because of this abomination. Understand brothers and Sisters what the Lord have done yesterday, he's going to do in the future.

Let take a look at Genesis 18:17.

And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do; (Genesis 18:17)
Why did the Lord stop to talk to Abraham? Make a special notation of the next few scriptures.

Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him? For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him. (Genesis 18:18-19)

The statement offered above gives us the explanation of why the Lord stopped to talk to Abraham. The reason is this, “that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.” Brothers and sisters if we do justice and judge righteously the Lord will also reveal His secrets to us. If we keep the commandments then we will be able to do justice. Let’s continue:

And the LORD said, “Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.” (Genesis 18:20-21)

Sisters and brothers, note what the verse says, “their sin is very grievous.” What is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4). This indicates to us that the law was around long before the Prophet Moses came into the picture. Let’s continue:

And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked? Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein? That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right? And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes. And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes: Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it. And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake. And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there. And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake. And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake. And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. (Genesis 18:22-33)

Abraham was pretty bold don’t you think? Let’s go right into the 19th chapter and see this grievous sin that was being committed.

And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground; And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night. And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: (Genesis 19:1-4)

Abraham could have asked the Lord if there was one righteous. Notice the verse states, “people from every quarter.” We see that there were none considered righteous and all were worthy of death.

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them. And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:5-8)

And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. Genesis 19:10 But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. (Genesis 19:9-11)

Note what the verse says, “they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.” They still made an attempt to break the door down to sodomize Lot and the two angels, after they were blinded.

This is an example of James 1:14, where it states, “But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.”

By the way brothers and sisters, if an individual commits any sin continually, after they have been informed or have the knowledge that it is sin; the Lord may kill an individual with the first death, which Adam past onto us all. And after that He may wake up the same individual in the second resurrection and will have an angel throw them into the lake of fire. So, we see that the men of Sodom were involved in homosexual activity. Let’s see this death that was brought about by the Lord because of sin. Let’s skip down to the 24th verse.

Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. (Genesis 19:24-25)

The Lord destroyed all the inhabitants of the city and all the plain, nothing escaped but Lot and his two daughters. Why? Because of sin, which brings about death? Jesus says in Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.












 
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A lot of bad faith arguing in this thread in defense of same-sex behavior which is clearly contraindicated by the Bible. From the slander of those who hold to the clear teachings of the Bible to the comparison of sexual acts to racial traits.

A good, logical and respectful debate can be good, and YouTube has many. Voddie Baucham and James White both do a good job of defending the traditional Biblical point of view (in separate videos) while expressing appropriate Christian love toward those with same-sex attraction.

The answer to the question in the thread's title is clear: Yes, many many faithful Christians still actually believe the words of the Bible. And yes, most of even those who do believe same-sex activity to be sinful still feel appropriate Christian love and compassion toward sinners of all types. Not all sins, however, have fabulously wealthy lobbying groups and scores of multimedia missionaries devoted to creating and enforcing total agreement that this sin must be uniquely and uniformly celebrated by everyone without fail. This causes a degree of pushback against the parades, propaganda, and grade-school curricula which is unnecessary when addressing most other sins.


Very interesting points you have and this is why the word of God have to be what correct us, because it will definitely judge us, whether we agree with it or not. And hopefully people will have a change of heart or repent. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (2 Corinthians 10:5)



 
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I believe in what the Bible says, and I believe in the interpretation of the scriptures throughout all of church history, which interpreted homosexuality to be sinful and abominable, despite modern mental gymnastics and reinterpretation.
Homosexuality only appeared in the bible in living memory not all through history
 
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Hi Quartermaine (and anyone else interested). Let me start by reiterating some of what I said earlier in this thread and in another: in every circumstance, we are commanded to be loving, gentle, and kind... even when we are correcting those who are in error. It sorrows my heart to see some of things said on this thread, and some of the things said in the broader society regarding this debate. To be honest, it also bothers me that this site does not allow for the free expression of a defense for the position of those who believe that LGBTQ+ sexuality is not sinful (even though I am convinced that the Bible is painfully clear on the subject, and they are wrong). Yet since this is the current situation, I want to be clear that I am not inviting you to debate me on the topic.

That said, if I could demonstrate to you with clarity that the New Testament absolutely declares same sex relations to be sinful, would it make any difference to you? I am asking this because it would take some time and effort for me to write it out in a clear way; and, if nobody cares, I would rather spend my time doing something more productive.

God bless you all as you seek Him;
Michael
to convince me would require actual evidence of the translation of a handful of words form the Ancient Greek actually do mean homosexual. There is no such evidence and a growing body of evidence showing that the words are not in reference to homosexuality.
 
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The only thing you saw in my post is two facts. Fact one, that in both the OT and the NT, homosexuality is a sin; and fact two, the church has always interpreted it as a sin until the modern era in which gay is supposed to be yay. Nowhere, at all, period, was it ever said or implied that we should hate sinners. There are lots of sins. Here in this thread about homosexuality we are talking about, surprise, homosexuality. "Yeah but THIS sin..." doesn't make a single difference and is a weak retort.
actually what is being currently interpreted as homosexuality has historically been interpreted to mean masturbation, prostitution, kidnapping and the paternal sexual abuse of daughters among other things
 
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God also says that lying is an abomination...like lying when trying to associate a minority with murders and thieves and rapists. or at least its wrong when it's done to SOME minorities.
It's more prevalent in this day and age to deny that certain groups are inherently violent. For example, much is said about right wing violence. When antifa physically attacks someone they are apparently justified. It's ok for a transgender person to assault Ben Shapiro on national TV but its the end of the world if a gay is attacked. It's called hypocrisy and the world is stuffed full of it.
 
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to convince me would require actual evidence of the translation of a handful of words form the Ancient Greek actually do mean homosexual. There is no such evidence and a growing body of evidence showing that the words are not in reference to homosexuality.
Don't bother about the Greek. The Hebrew is patently clear. Leviticus 18:22
 
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A lot of bad faith arguing in this thread in defense of same-sex behavior which is clearly contraindicated by the Bible. From the slander of those who hold to the clear teachings of the Bible to the comparison of sexual acts to racial traits.
homosexuality isn't an act, it is a state of being just like race. People are their orientation whether they are having any form of sex or even if they have never had any sexual relations at all.

A good, logical and respectful debate can be good, and YouTube has many. Voddie Baucham and James White both do a good job of defending the traditional Biblical point of view (in separate videos) while expressing appropriate Christian love toward those with same-sex attraction.
The same Voddie Baucham who in 2012 who said homosexuals deserve the death penalty?

The same Voddie Bucham who opposes school anti-bullying programs because they include the bullying of homosexuals?

The same James White who said that there is no difference between homosexuality and inappropriate behavior with animals?

The answer to the question in the thread's title is clear: Yes, many many faithful Christians still actually believe the words of the Bible. And yes, most of even those who do believe same-sex activity to be sinful still feel appropriate Christian love and compassion toward sinners of all types. Not all sins, however, have fabulously wealthy lobbying groups and scores of multimedia missionaries devoted to creating and enforcing total agreement that this sin must be uniquely and uniformly celebrated by everyone without fail. This causes a degree of pushback against the parades, propaganda, and grade-school curricula which is unnecessary when addressing most other sins.
wow talk about slander!
 
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It's more prevalent in this day and age to deny that certain groups are inherently violent. For example, much is said about right wing violence. When antifa physically attacks someone they are apparently justified. It's ok for a transgender person to assault Ben Shapiro on national TV but its the end of the world if a gay is attacked. It's called hypocrisy and the world is stuffed full of it.
and here is a picture of that assault:

07-21-zoeyturbenshapiro-01.jpg


Oh the humanity!!!
It's amazing Shairo survived this horrific physical attack.
 
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Don't bother about the Greek. The Hebrew is patently clear. Leviticus 18:22
it seems you didn't bother to read (what a surprise) Food4Thought's post: "if I could demonstrate to you with clarity that the New Testament absolutely declares same sex relations to be sinful."
or maybe you just aren't aware that the New Testament was written in Greek.
 
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and here is a picture of that assault:

07-21-zoeyturbenshapiro-01.jpg


Oh the humanity?
It's amazing Shairo survived this horrific physical attack.
Try watching the whole video. Also no one intervened to settle the situation down. Threats to beat up Shapiro in the car park? As Mrs Shapiro said, not very ladylike.

There is no justification for manhandling anyone else. And I use "manhandle" deliberately. Imagine the outcry if Shapiro had been the offender.
 
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Try watching the whole video. Also no one intervened to settle the situation down. Threats to beat up Shapiro in the car park? As Mrs Shapiro said, not very ladylike.

There is no justification for manhandling anyone else. And I use "manhandle" deliberately. Imagine the outcry if Shapiro had been the offender.
its kind of sad that he was so afraid of her
 
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it seems you didn't bother to read (what a surprise) Food4Thought's post: "if I could demonstrate to you with clarity that the New Testament absolutely declares same sex relations to be sinful."
or maybe you just aren't aware that the New Testament was written in Greek.[/QUOTE
Are you trying to be difficult? God's prohibition predates the NT and there is nothing in the NT to indicate that God has changed His mind.

2 Timothy 4:3 "For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires."

1 Timothy 1:9-10 "We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave traders and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching."

I'd say that the time Paul foretold has come.
 
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then maybe Shapiro should have thought of that before he spent the bulk of the program trying to provoke such a reaction.
That is no justification for assault. As far as I know, Shapiro has not filed charges. He could. Shapiro was trying to dismantle the rubbish arguments that somehow people can choose their gender just because. If someone has to resort to violence in order to dissuade someone from presenting an opposite point of view, then the violent individual has lost the argument. Jenner is male in every sense except in how he chooses to dress. By the way, cross dressing is prohibited in God's word also.
 
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How can you have a respectful debate when you think the other side isn’t operating in good faith? The Biblical case against Christian gays is based on removing text from its context. Pointing that out is hardly operating in bad faith.
Ignoring, of course, the Greeks (Orthodox) who always interpreted that to mean homosexuality and for 2,000 years have continued to do so, going off the original manuscripts. Mental gymnastics.
 
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That is no justification for assault. As far as I know, Shapiro has not filed charges. He could.

He did.

the police reviewed the footage and found no evidence of an assault. This didn't stop Shapiro from threatening multiple lawsuits and engaging in multiple personal attacks on Tur on social media. After several months of this kind of behavior her lawyers met with his and he was advised to stop because he would be facing a lawsuit for Court-Related Abuse and Harassment,and Harassment Through Court. In other words he was the one engaging in assault against her. He shut up - probably because there is no justification for assault.
 
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What does the God of the creation think about homosexuality? He is very clear on identifying the act of homosexuality as a sin. If an individual sows iniquity, they will reap corruption. Those of us that believe and know the Truth are not careful to say…“There is a pestilence in the land because of ‘homosexual’ activity.”

There has been an increase in the acceptance of homosexuality in our country as indicated by the figures collected by the U.S. Census.
NOV. 19, 2019 — For the first time, the U.S. Census Bureau released estimates of same-sex couples in its annual America’s Families and Living Arrangements tables package. According to estimates from the 2019 Current Population Survey Annual Social and Economic Supplement (CPS ASEC), there are 543,000 same-sex married couple households and 469,000 households with same-sex unmarried partners living together. This compares to 61.4 million opposite-sex married and 8 million opposite-sex unmarried partner households. In addition, 191,000 children live with same-sex parents.

The focus on same-sex couples reflects growing family diversity in the United States, which also includes unmarried partners living together. Among adults ages 18 and over, 18.5 million (7%) are living together, up from 14.2 million (6%) in 2009. Cohabiting couples also compose a larger share of all coupled households now, accounting for 12% of coupled households compared to 10% in 2009.

Even though the masses may accept this, do we believe the Most High God is accepting this?



I have not found one single verse where God said something was an abomination, and then later He said they weren't. The vision Peter had of all the unclean animals was not about food, but people. The Jews considered all Gentiles unclean. God never labeled Gentiles an abominatio0n, but He did say what they did was an abomination.

Mal_3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
 
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Ignoring, of course, the Greeks (Orthodox) who always interpreted that to mean homosexuality and for 2,000 years have continued to do so, going off the original manuscripts. Mental gymnastics.
The 6th-century Patriarch John IV of Constantinople, known as John the Faster wrote that arsenokoites is something happily married husbands and wives engage in....so....you might want to rethink your claim.
 
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