Dispensationalist Only WHAT IS PAUL'S MEANING IN 1 TIM 1:4 ?

If you read the verses that precede and the verses that follow you find that Paul is talking about the necessity to teach sound doctrine.
He continues by saying that many have become fakirs. They are no longer devoted to Christ, they are confused, their faith is a mess, and from this situation they then pretend to be teachers,.... yet they teach nothing that is related to His Gospel, His doctrine, The Cross, or Truth.

Dan Perez said:

Hi and the sound doctrine found in verse 3 , is that they TEACH NO OTHER DOCTRINE and verse 4 calls it GODLY DISPENSATION .

dan p

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There is a lot sound doctrine in the NT, all given by Paul.
Most of what Paul is telling Titus and Timothy, is related to Hebrews 13:9.
These were Paul's "preacher boys", and they were trained to talk about one certain thing, exactly as im doing it on this forum.
They were to advise about and administer and contend for "Grace Through Faith". The Gospel of the Grace of God.
See, this truth is the dragon slayer.
Its the Blood of Jesus Doctrine, that is the "Gift of Righteousness", that destroys CULT Theology and CULT mentality.
It also shows the careful believer who to trust and who to distrust.

Here is how you know who to trust.
Never trust anyone who tries to make you believe that you can lose your salvation.
And why is that?
Because to teach that lie, you have to reject the Cross and Eternal Life, BY teaching that the blood atonement is only as good as you are... that in fact its Temporary, and goes and come and comes and goes, based on your devotion to repenting and confessing to get it back.

See, the devil's lie, is always to try to deny the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, by denying it, or replacing it with water, self effort, Torah keeping, commandment keeping....ect.

So, when you are looking for a good teacher, only look to the one who always gives Jesus, The Cross, and The Blood Atonement, the full credit DUE THEM for saving you and keeping you saved..

And when you read where someone is trying to get you to keep yourself saved......by repenting, or enduring, or working, or they are trying to convince you that your salvation is kept by YOU, or lost by YOU< then you are dealing with a devil lead teacher.

Behold said:

There is a lot sound doctrine in the NT, all given by Paul.
Most of what Paul is telling Titus and Timothy, is related to Hebrews 13:9.

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Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Where does Paul teach sound doctrine ( the Gospel of Christ) is found, according to his own words.

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Where is it written "The Just shall live by Faith"? It is written in the Law and Prophets. (Habakkuk)

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Where is the Wrath of God revealed? Law and Prophets. (Sodom and Gomorrah, Great Flood, Children of Israel who fell in the Wilderness)

What Scriptures did Paul believe?

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they (Mainstream Preachers of his time) call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Where does Paul tell Timothy to go to become wise in Salvation which is Faith in Jesus?

2 Tim. 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (The Just shall live by Faith)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

What did Paul teach both Jew and Gentiles to do to be saved?

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (ALL) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Who was the Gospel preached to?

Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Who are the "Them" who received the preaching of the Gospel of Christ but didn't mix Faith with it?.

Heb. 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

And why did these things happen to them?

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I am with you are far as Paul teaching sound doctrine, and warning against "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines" which did not prophet the Examples written for our admonition of folks who were given the Gospel, but didn't mix "belief/Faith" with it.

But the rest of your post teaches almost the exact opposite of what Paul taught.

I hope you might reconsider your preaching here, and consider all that Paul really said.

Studyman said:

But the rest of your post teaches almost the exact opposite of what Paul taught.

I hope you might reconsider your preaching here, and consider all that Paul really said.

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If you are going to accuse me of teaching something that does not align itself with "God's Grace" then you need to quote me.

Here is what you can quote.

"dead faith" is not "dead salvation".
"backsliding" is not "lost and going to hell".
"repenting and confessing" is not how you restore God's forgiveness.
"working to stay saved" is heresy.
Teaching that you can lose your salvation is the devil's lie.
teaching that "abiding" is how you keep yourself saved, is denying the Grace of God.

Now, start there, and quote me, and then you're being honest..
Otherwise.... You're not.

Behold said:

If you are going to accuse me of teaching something that does not align itself with "God's Grace" then you need to quote me.

Here is what you can quote.

"dead faith" is not "dead salvation".
"backsliding" is not "lost and going to hell".
"repenting and confessing" is not how you restore God's forgiveness.
"working to stay saved" is heresy.
Teaching that you can lose your salvation is the devil's lie.
teaching that "abiding" is how you keep yourself saved, is denying the Grace of God.

Now, start there, and quote me, and then you're being honest..
Otherwise.... You're not.

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I don’t play the popular “my verse beats your verse” game.

Paul is simply teaching the Law and Prophets the Shepherds corrupted. He is furthering Jesus teaching which furthered His Fathers teaching.

Jesus was called the devil by the mainstream preachers of His time for teaching the law and Prophets. Paul was stoned for doing the same thing. I think it is important to understand this Biblical truth.

Dan Perez said:

In verse 4 it begins with a verb , GIVE HEED /PROSECHO in the PRESENT TENSE and means CONTINUALLY give heed to what it written by Paul.
It means to NOT give heed to FABLES, GENEALOGIES, which minister questionsthan to GODLY DISPENSATION and just check the Greek text and see .
The HOLY SPIRIT through Paul calls it , THE GODLY DISPENSATION , which is in FAITH and since we want to be in the FAITH , we have to be DISPENSATIONALIST like the message given to Paul >

The Greek word DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA is also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE which means we are to LIMIT our message to preach the gospel and save the lost !
dan p

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To the Lost, yes the gospel message is the priority. People do nto get saved in having intellectual knowledge of Biblical Doctrine. But with Believers we are commanded to train them in osound doctrine so they may have the answers for the hope in them.

And also as Jude sai that hose who oppose themselves within the visible church- we are to earnestly contend for the faith!

Studyman said:

But the rest of your post teaches almost the exact opposite of what Paul taught.

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He responds to your accusation, and then you act like "how dare he respond".

Studyman said:

I don’t play the popular “my verse beats your verse” game.

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Then it would probably be a good idea not to start it, because that implies that when you quote a number of verses there's nothing more to say about it, and no one should even question your interpretation.

Ed Parenteau said:

He responds to your accusation, and then you act like "how dare he respond".

Then it would probably be a good idea not to start it, because that implies that when you quote a number of verses there's nothing more to say about it, and no one should even question your interpretation.

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I welcome any questions about my understanding and honest discussions about scriptures. I'm not so fond of the scriptures I post being ignored when they bring questions about a religious philosophy of man.

I'll take your judgment of my response, although I disagree with it, under advisement.

Thanks

Dan Perez said:

In verse 4 it begins with a verb , GIVE HEED /PROSECHO in the PRESENT TENSE and means CONTINUALLY give heed to what it written by Paul.
It means to NOT give heed to FABLES, GENEALOGIES, which minister questionsthan to GODLY DISPENSATION and just check the Greek text and see .
The HOLY SPIRIT through Paul calls it , THE GODLY DISPENSATION , which is in FAITH and since we want to be in the FAITH , we have to be DISPENSATIONALIST like the message given to Paul >

The Greek word DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA is also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE which means we are to LIMIT our message to preach the gospel and save the lost !
dan p

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I am a Dispensationalist, but to make Paul's word mean what you are saying is unnecessarily restrictive. Paul was warning against getting involved in a lot of foolish arguments (social media ABOUNDS with them) which do not lead to godliness, but to preach the word, just he would later plainly state to young Timothy, "Preach the word!"

G3622
οἰκονομία
oikonomia
oy-kon-om-ee'-ah
From G3623; administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy”: - dispensation, stewardship.

This is what I'm assuming you're referring to by dispensations, it was only translated as dispensation, you see after a hyphen in a strongs definition it is only what the word was translated as elsewhere in the Bible , not what the word is in the manuscripts. Definition of the Greek word oikonomia is not dispensation, it is: administration (of a household or estate); specifically a (religious) “economy”
the same word is translated dispensation in 4 places in the Bible 1 cor 9 17, eph 1 10, 3 2, col 1 25

Dan Perez said:

In verse 4 it begins with a verb , GIVE HEED /PROSECHO in the PRESENT TENSE and means CONTINUALLY give heed to what it written by Paul.
It means to NOT give heed to FABLES, GENEALOGIES, which minister questionsthan to GODLY DISPENSATION and just check the Greek text and see .
The HOLY SPIRIT through Paul calls it , THE GODLY DISPENSATION , which is in FAITH and since we want to be in the FAITH , we have to be DISPENSATIONALIST like the message given to Paul >

The Greek word DISPENSATION / OIKONOMIA is also in the ACCUSATIVE CASE which means we are to LIMIT our message to preach the gospel and save the lost !
dan p

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Hi Dan:

I don't know where you got your parsing info from but it is way off!

Yes prosecho is the Present active infinitive which simply defines it as a statement of fact! the infinitive is the limiting factor.

and edifying is oikonomia (a managed house hold or stewardship) and it is the accusative, but the accusative is:
The accusative case refers to the case used for a noun or pronoun that is a direct object.
E.g. His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple.

So to put in modern English Paul was simply saying- stop paying attention to foolish stuff which do not minister a godly order!

Dan Perez said:

Hi and many of the Greek CASES do have many different interpretations , like in the Genative case and many scholars also do disagree and are they also RIGHT and it depends on which scholar you believe and the DISPENSATION also includes the NYSTERY , in Rom 16:25 and Col 1:25 and 26 >

dan p

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Well some do disagree with the standard accepted rules of grammar (grammar is never wrong but people will misuse it for promotion of an agenda). The genetive can only mean possession, unless it is modified by the verb or noun or pronoun or adjective in the sentence it is found. But the cases are inherently stable UNLESS there is a specific modification.

That kind of modification does not appear in 1 Tim. 1:4.

When a "scholar" disagrees with the accepted standard rules of grammar- 99.99 X out of 100 they have an agenda that they are trying to promote.

Studyman said:

Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

Where does Paul teach sound doctrine ( the Gospel of Christ) is found, according to his own words.

Rom. 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Where is it written "The Just shall live by Faith"? It is written in the Law and Prophets. (Habakkuk)

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Where is the Wrath of God revealed? Law and Prophets. (Sodom and Gomorrah, Great Flood, Children of Israel who fell in the Wilderness)

What Scriptures did Paul believe?

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they (Mainstream Preachers of his time) call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Where does Paul tell Timothy to go to become wise in Salvation which is Faith in Jesus?

2 Tim. 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (The Just shall live by Faith)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

What did Paul teach both Jew and Gentiles to do to be saved?

Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:

20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should (ALL) repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Who was the Gospel preached to?

Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Who are the "Them" who received the preaching of the Gospel of Christ but didn't mix Faith with it?.

Heb. 3:17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?

18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?

19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

And why did these things happen to them?

1 Cor. 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

I am with you are far as Paul teaching sound doctrine, and warning against "Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines" which did not prophet the Examples written for our admonition of folks who were given the Gospel, but didn't mix "belief/Faith" with it.

But the rest of your post teaches almost the exact opposite of what Paul taught.

I hope you might reconsider your preaching here, and consider all that Paul really said.

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I would offer..

The wrath of God which is continually being revealed from heavenly perspective is every time a person looks in the mirror. A dying creation sufferings corruption. If they deny it is dying hold the truth in unrighteousness. None is righteous. No man will be found with a righteousness of there own. All have sinned and continue to fall short of the glory of God .

In that way they changed the glory of the uncorruptible God Creator who is not a man into an image made like to corruptible man, (corrupted flesh and blood) the temporal things seen

Romans1: 18-23 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

At 72 I can feel like 12 but the mirror is the tell tale sign I have not received the end of faith the promise of our new uncorruptible bodies According to Hebrews 11:39 all die having not received His eternal foundation of youth .

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garee said:

I would offer..

The wrath of God which is continually being revealed from heavenly perspective is every time a person looks in the mirror. A dying creation sufferings corruption. If they deny it is dying hold the truth in unrighteousness. None is righteous. No man will be found with a righteousness of there own. All have sinned and continue to fall short of the glory of God .

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I am more interested in furthering the Word's of God, that is why I posted the Scriptures. You are promoting the popular religious philosophy that "None is righteous".

This doctrine is taken from the Christ inspired Word's of David.

Psalms 14:1(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge?

God is speaking about a certain people here. Fools, who do not seek God. Let's continue.

who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

But wait, who are God's People? Are they "children of Men" who "call not upon the Lord? Or are they a different people?

5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.

6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge.

But Garee, you just said there is "none righteous". You looked in the mirror and did not find a repentant "child of God", a man that feared his God, a man who made God His Refuge. If you see this man, then God sees this man too. Do you not "seek God"? Are you a "worker of iniquity"? When you look in the mirror, do you see a fool who says there is no God?

My friend, shall we not let God define righteousness? Have we not read about the Wrath of God in the Gospel of Christ?

Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

The Truth in Love "for God is in the Generation of the Righteous".

In that way they changed the glory of the uncorruptible God Creator who is not a man into an image made like to corruptible man, (corrupted flesh and blood) the temporal things seen

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Creating images of some long haired men's hair shampoo model and calling him Lord, is an example of changing the Glory of the incorruptible God into an image male unto corruptible man, in my view.

Romans1: 18-23 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

At 72 I can feel like 12 but the mirror is the tell tale sign I have not received the end of faith the promise of our new uncorruptible bodies According to Hebrews 11:39 all die having not received His eternal foundation of youth .

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But do His Children not Hope for the Promise IF we "Endure to the End" of our lives? If we Glorify God as God? If we "continue in HIS Goodness"? If we "depart from iniquity"?

Are these not those who have great fear for the Lord, and make HIS Word our refuge? Are these not of the "Generation of the Righteous" where God resides?

And if we don't really believe His Words, are we not the "Fool who has said in his heart, there is no God"?

Food for thought my friend.

Studyman said:

But do His Children not Hope for the Promise IF we "Endure to the End" of our lives? If we Glorify God as God? If we "continue in HIS Goodness"? If we "depart from iniquity"?

Are these not those who have great fear for the Lord, and make HIS Word our refuge? Are these not of the "Generation of the Righteous" where God resides?

And if we don't really believe His Words, are we not the "Fool who has said in his heart, there is no God"?

Food for thought my friend.

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For Gods children there is no more if. There is only when1 When we become a child of God we remain a child forever!

We may become disobedient children and lose the assurance of our salvation because sin blocks our fellowship- but we never lose the guarantee of our salvation! When a child of God lives in unacknowledged sin- we lose the hope but not the promise!

nolidad said:

For Gods children there is no more if. There is only when1 When we become a child of God we remain a child forever!

We may become disobedient children and lose the assurance of our salvation because sin blocks our fellowship- but we never lose the guarantee of our salvation! When a child of God lives in unacknowledged sin- we lose the hope but not the promise!

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I understand how popular this religious philosophy is, and it sure sounds good. And I would say those religious men who called Jesus Lord, Lord, in Matthew 7, also believed the same thing. But I believe we should place the Holy Scriptures before the religious philosophies of men.

Rom. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Paul is directly contradicting your post Nolidad. Shouldn't this be of concern?

Heb. 12:
14Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;

16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

Matt. 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Be careful my friend, of the religious philosophies of men.

Col. 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Studyman said:

I am more interested in furthering the Word's of God, that is why I posted the Scriptures. You are promoting the popular religious philosophy that "None is righteous".

This doctrine is taken from the Christ inspired Word's of David.

Psalms 14:1(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge?

God is speaking about a certain people here. Fools, who do not seek God. Let's continue.

who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the LORD.

But wait, who are God's People? Are they "children of Men" who "call not upon the Lord? Or are they a different people?

5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.

6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the LORD is his refuge.

But Garee, you just said there is "none righteous". You looked in the mirror and did not find a repentant "child of God", a man that feared his God, a man who made God His Refuge. If you see this man, then God sees this man too. Do you not "seek God"? Are you a "worker of iniquity"? When you look in the mirror, do you see a fool who says there is no God?

My friend, shall we not let God define righteousness? Have we not read about the Wrath of God in the Gospel of Christ?

Eph. 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

The Truth in Love "for God is in the Generation of the Righteous".



Creating images of some long haired men's hair shampoo model and calling him Lord, is an example of changing the Glory of the incorruptible God into an image male unto corruptible man, in my view.




But do His Children not Hope for the Promise IF we "Endure to the End" of our lives? If we Glorify God as God? If we "continue in HIS Goodness"? If we "depart from iniquity"?

Are these not those who have great fear for the Lord, and make HIS Word our refuge? Are these not of the "Generation of the Righteous" where God resides?

And if we don't really believe His Words, are we not the "Fool who has said in his heart, there is no God"?

Food for thought my friend.

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I thanks for the reply.

Yes declared righteous (imputed) no man will be found with the righteousness of one self. And the fool that says there is no God in there heart can represent like for instance a foolish Galatian or any Christians who sins denying the will of God.

All have sinned foolishly and continue to fall short of the glory of God in this life,.

There are fools who never coming to a saving knowledge called ashiest. But when are person starts calling believers fools when they do foolish things (judging )they are in danger of falling from grace. God alone can see into the hearts of all men and move them according to His righteous will.

I will offer a couple of verse you can look at that could aid in not judging a brother or sister

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Galatians 3 King James Version (KJV)O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Philipians3:9 And be found in him, not having "mine own righteousness," which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

The righteousness of believing, hearing the gospel. . the understanding of God not seen .

Be careful on how you use words. Search the entire scriptures comparing and then make a decision .Don't be a foolish and have a need to be called back to the righteous of Christ.

Fools are those that do trust in a righteousness of there own. Fools (atheist) like Cain who had no righteousness displayed by the murdering his brother Abel . Or Esau who saw no value in the things not seen (faith) and sold the birth rite for a cup of goat soup.