What if it's just not a witch hunt?

rambot said:

But what if Trump is actually doingb things? Remember how his business practices are run? He's got lawsuits out the tuccous. Why should it be rational to believe anything else he touches would be free of this dishonesty? By his fruits you'll know the guy; it's not like his lying can be denied. Well, what if what is happening is actually happenning?


What if it's all real? What if every story we hear about trump's malfiscience is true? What if only half is true? Do governments hand impeachments out like candy or what if there is legal weight and fact supporting it?

What if he is a manipulative narcissist? Would it run counter to the story of his life this far? In what way has Donald Trump shone for the betterment of mankind? There are so many absolutely terrible stories about him. Where are all the bubbly stories of how great or compassionate he is. Where are the High school buddies saying he's a real stand up guy? Old school friends saying how much he cared about America.
Or what a considerate 1st, 2nd, or 3rd husband or father? What if is not those things. What if he was a dispassionate distant figure?

What if you were wrong and he was not "good"?

Would it matter? So long as your policies are supported?

If democracy was compromised by your party; if years of disenfranchisement of so many came to a head and you benefitted, would it matter to you?

Would anything else matter?

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JohnDB said:

Trump is not desperate for a job.

He hasn't even taken a salary for his position as president.

Joe Biden has been leeching off the public coffers his whole life. Yet somehow he is exceedingly wealthy.

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JohnDB said:

When the officials at the IRS stop their witch hunt we can finally see the tax returns.

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Kenny'sID said:

Oh, you mean like the evidence they had for russian collision.

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JackRT said:

Both the Trump administration and a very large portion of his base have become detached from reality. It is painful to see how easily people are duped and can't see it in spite of massive evidence to the contrary.

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rambot said:

Sound point.
The 34 indictments are DEFINITELY proof there wasn't ANY collusion whatsoever. DEFINITELY.

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rambot said:

Of COURSE it's proof of nothing Kenny. The PROOF is in the report. The "formal accusation" is based on the PROOF in the report.
If there was no PROOF in the report, there would be no indictments. And THEN you'd have a salient point.

I would not call what you do "answering" my posts. That's overly flattering.
And please, don't hang around on my account.

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rambot said:

Sound point.
The 34 indictments are DEFINITELY proof there wasn't ANY collusion whatsoever. DEFINITELY.

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dqhall said:

Numerous others have been arrested and jailed including former attorney and senior VP of the Trump organization Michael Cohen who testified about Trumps fraudulent accounting statements. Trump is being investigated for tax evasion.

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GoldenBoy89 said:

The media also don’t talk much about the secret cabal of lizard people who run the world behind the scenes. They must be trying to suppress the truth about them too.

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JackRT said:

No, I Won’t Agree To Disagree About This President. You’re Just Wrong.
October 19, 2020 / John Pavlovitz

To Whom It May Concern,

We recently found ourselves in a now-familiar location: hopelessly stuck in an unnavigable impasse on our respective paths, unable to find a way forward. And, as in so many times before, when the friction became too great and the exchange too heated and the tension too uncomfortable, you dropped an all-too-familiar final salvo designed to stop conversation and temporarily defuse the situation:

“We’re just going to have to agree to disagree.”

I disagree. I refuse these terms.

Such a concession assumes that we both have equally valid opinions, that we’re each mutually declaring those opinions not so divergent that they cannot be abided; that our relationship is of greater value than the differences—but that isn’t exactly true for me.

We don’t just disagree here—you’re wrong.

I believe you’re deeply, profoundly, and egregiously wrong; the kind of wrong about the kinds of things that I can no longer excuse or make peace with or overlook—because that would be a denial of who I am and what matters to me, the values I have spent a lifetime forming.

This is not a disagreement.

We are not simply declaring mismatched preferences regarding something inconsequential. We’re not talking about who has the best offensive line in the NFL, or whether Van Halen was better with Dave or Sammy, or about what craft beer pairs best with a cheesesteak, or about the sonic differences of CDs and vinyl. On such matters (though I will provide spirited debate), I can tolerate dissension.

We’re not even talking about clear misalignments on very important things: how to best address climate change or what will fix our healthcare system or how to reduce our national debt or what it will take to bring racial equity. Those subjects, while critically important, still have room for constructive debate and differing solutions. They are mendable fractures.

But this, this runs far deeper and into the marrow of who we each are.

At this point, with the past four years as a resume, your alignment with this president means that we are fundamentally disconnected on what is morally acceptable—and I’ve simply seen too much to explain that away or rationalize your intentions or give you the benefit of the doubt any longer.

I know what your reaffirmation of him is telling me about your disregard for the lives of people of color, about your opinion of women, about your attitude toward Science, about the faith you so loudly profess, and about your elemental disrespect for bedrock truth. I now can see how pliable your morality is, the kinds of compromises you’re willing to make, the ever-descending bottom you’re following into, in order to feel victorious in a war you don’t even know why you’re fighting.

That’s why I need you to understand that this isn’t just a schism on one issue or a single piece of legislation, as those things would be manageable. This isn’t a matter of politics or preference. This is a pervasive, sprawling, saturating separation about the way we see the world and what we value and how we want to move through this life.

Agreeing to disagree with you in these matters, would mean silencing myself and more importantly, betraying the people who bear the burdens of your political affiliations— and this is not something I’m willing to do. Our relationship matters greatly to me, but if it has to be the collateral damage of standing with them, I’ll have to see that as acceptable.

Your devaluing of black lives is not an opinion.
Your acceptance of falsehoods is not an opinion.
Your defiance of facts in a pandemic is not an opinion.
Your hostility toward immigrants is not an opinion.
These are fundamental heart issues.

I’m telling you this so that when the chair is empty this Thanksgiving, or the calls don’t come, or you meet with radio silence, or you begin to notice the slow fade of our exchanges, I want you to know why: it’s because I have learned how morally incompatible we are. It doesn’t mean I don’t respect you or even love you, but it means proximity to you isn’t going to be healthy.

I’ve been disagreeing with people all my life. That isn’t the issue here.

Were we talking about anything less than the lives of other human beings, I’d be more than willing to disagree with you and, but since we are talking about the lives of other human beings—I can’t.

I believe you’re wrong in ways that are harming people.
You’re wrong to deny the humanity of other human beings.
You’re wrong to justify your affiliation with this violence.
You’re wrong to embrace a movement built on the worst parts of who we are.

I simply can’t agree to that.

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Under One King said:

But here's the thing.
I say that you are wrong, and I believe it too.
Most of those points he raised about those on the right are completely false. He is wrong, and so are you if you agree with him.

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JackRT said:

The points raised did not attack all those on the right, just those who adamantly support Trump's policies without any consideration of the effects of those policies. There are a great many on the right who are waking up and speaking out.

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