Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

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Yes and that council has remained rejected by the Catholic Church to this day. The Roman Catholic Church is not the Catholic Church.

and the universal church is not the sect known as the Way...or as poor Stephen called it this ekklesia in the wilderness...which He was already Head of...and it was already full of those NOT of Jacob...
 
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Goodness another untrue statement. God has always had a people that have kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath unbroken to this present day. If you can be shown this through both the biblical and historical records will you believe and change your mind and believe Gods Word?

Ive asked this several times and still haven’t gotten an answer. Even in this post your addressing it and still not answering it.
 
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I never said He changed but the laws have definitely changed. Are we still required to observe the Passover rituals? Are we still required to offer animal sacrifices? Are we still required to be circumcised? Are we still required to stone people to death? Are we still under the Old Covenant? All of these have changed.

Just start with what was expected in the Garden...live as we were to live before the fall...

If that is too hard to for you to figure out...use Acts 15 as a guide...assuming you include the living oracles handed down by our Husband at Sinai...heard every Sabbath as James concluded...Acts 15:21
 
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No. The Christ’s true church has not failed. I don’t believe in Ellen White, I believe in the Lord of the Sabbath, His name is Jesus, the Lord’s Christ.

Why do you keep obsessing over this women? She is just another in a long line to theologians of this world. What is so special about her in your religious philosophy?

You still keep dodging the issue. This was not about Ellen White this was about a complete absence of any church teaching her theology for over 1500 years.
 
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That's not even a fair comparison because I am not Jesus, I don't walk on water or perform miracles. But if you're asking me if I strive to be more like Him, than yes I do as He is our example.

yeah but yeah but yeah but...no record of Him going to dentist...driving a car...going to movies either...always a fun game for juvenile minds trying to figure it out...what does it mean to follow Him?...live as He lived?

such a stumper right?

how about going to the bathroom...Maybe we shouldn't do that either as well...He didn't...NO RECORD OF IT...right?

these games were funner as rebellious teens...
 
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You still keep dodging the issue. This was not about Ellen White this was about a complete absence of any church teaching her theology for over 1500 years.

this was already asked and answered...

and you are being dishonest...there have been Sabbath keepers LONG before your fetish with Ellen...and throughout history...

and add to that...

were Baptists to reject adult immersion...et al

new light rejected because it was NOT presented prior is EXACTLY why they rejected Him

Sabbath however was presented prior...much prior
 
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this was already asked and answered...

and you are being dishonest...there have been Sabbath keepers LONG before your fetish with Ellen...and throughout history...

and add to that...

were Baptists to reject adult immersion...et al

new light rejected because it was NOT presented prior is EXACTLY why they rejected Him

Sabbath however was presented prior...much prior

No, Ellen White taught that keeping the Saturday Sabbath is MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. I’ve said this over and over. I never once said that no church kept the Saturday Sabbath. The Eastern Orthodox Church has kept the Sabbath since the beginning but no Christian Church has ever taught that IT IS MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. ARE YOU GETTING THIS? MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. Hopefully we are clear on the issue now.
 
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You still keep dodging the issue. This was not about Ellen White this was about a complete absence of any church teaching her theology for over 1500 years.

Are you OK? I mean, can you understand what I am typing?

Let me try again.

The Sabbath is not a creation of SDA. It is mentioned 147 times in the KJV, 55 times in the New Testament alone, long before Ellen White was even born. You claim it isn't about White, then you single out her theology. I have been faithful to the God of the Bible regarding HIS 10 Commandments, including HIS Sabbath that JESUS, not Ellen White, said was made for man for almost 30 years. I have not set foot in an SDA establishment ever. I don't believe in temples made with wood and stone, or the preachers who exalt themselves to the Chief seats therein.

Why are you so obsessed with her? It is the Christ who is Lord of the Sabbath Days, not Ellen White.

Of course religions of the world despise and pollute God's Laws and Sabbaths. Have you read the examples God had written for our admonition? How can a person study as directed and not see the importance of God's Sabbath to HIM, and for us?

But God's word doesn't return void so I will continue to let HIM speak for Himself.

Rev. 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Since the change or abolition of the Christ's Sabbath is not Prophesied anywhere, even once, in the entire Bible, I have to go outside the Bible to find it's origins. You can look into the historical supports given here to double check these references, so as to see for yourself. Surely this is the beginning of the prophesied "war" against those Saints.
Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

"When Emperor Constantine I—a pagan sun-worshipper—came to power in A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday-keeping law. His infamous Sunday enforcement law of March 7, A.D. 321, reads as follows: “On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.)"

You will find Constantine murdered anyone who was faithful to the Feast's of Christ that HIS First church gathered in. In other words, if Constantine would have been in power in Jerusalem when Peter and the Apostles gathered on Pentecost, Constantine would have murdered them, and he would have murdered Paul and Jesus as well. He slaughtered a lot of folks, but only those who walked even as HE Walked.

This is the founder of the religious philosophy you are promoting.

"The Sunday law was officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy. The Council of Laodicea in A.D. 364 decreed, “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ” (Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 [Edinburgh, 1876] 316)."

"Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.

Again, “The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).

“Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).

"The Catholic Church claims that “the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923)."

SDA, in spite of many of their religious traditions contrary to scriptures, are right about the Sabbath of the Christ. Not their observation so much, but certainly the Scriptures they use to support the "Way". I don't prescribe to the Catholic religion as I am not Catholic, just as I don't prescribe to the SDA because I am not of that religion either.

My Faith lies in the Christ of the Bible, and HIS Words. I know religious men have been polluting God's Sabbaths since the beginning, why would I want to take my instruction in righteousness from them, especially since I have HIS Word in my own home.

So as I said before, modern religions, in my view, are just an extension of the parts of the Levitical Priesthood that preserves religious power. They are about power and money and philosophies which promote religions. If a man follows the teaching of the Christ there would be no temples of wood and stone, HIS Temple is in our minds. Where two or more are gathered in His Name. We worship God in Spirit and Truth. He was killed for promoting this "Way of the Lord" which put an end to power of the Levite Priest and Pharisees who rode on their coat tails.

In my view, these religions are the "other " voice in the garden. This is why the Lord's Christ tells us to "come out from among them and be ye separate.

It's not about SDA for me, SDA has nothing to do with my beliefs. It is 100% about the Word's of the Christ which are Spirit and Truth.
 
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No, Ellen White taught that keeping the Saturday Sabbath is MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. I’ve said this over and over. I never once said that no church kept the Saturday Sabbath. The Eastern Orthodox Church has kept the Sabbath since the beginning but no Christian Church has ever taught that IT IS MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. ARE YOU GETTING THIS? MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. Hopefully we are clear on the issue now.

oh my...yes yes...the making the big letters bold AND underlining helps...

good...so which other Laws are we allowed to ignore and still be saved?

because unlike all other churches which claim the 10 need NOT be kept...having even changed the definition of what is understood as "Sabbath"...there is Ellen...I even think she might be ok with more laws still being kept to stay saved...what a party pooper she is...

cuz once saved you're allowed to do anything anytime right?...

or as long as you assist the Mass on Sunday...not doing so is a mortal sin...

thanks again for the big bold underlined letters to help clear this all up...
 
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Are you OK? I mean, can you understand what I am typing?

Let me try again.

The Sabbath is not a creation of SDA. It is mentioned 147 times in the KJV, 55 times in the New Testament alone, long before Ellen White was even born. You claim it isn't about White, then you single out her theology. I have been faithful to the God of the Bible regarding HIS 10 Commandments, including HIS Sabbath that JESUS, not Ellen White, said was made for man for almost 30 years. I have not set foot in an SDA establishment ever. I don't believe in temples made with wood and stone, or the preachers who exalt themselves to the Chief seats therein.

Why are you so obsessed with her? It is the Christ who is Lord of the Sabbath Days, not Ellen White.

Of course religions of the world despise and pollute God's Laws and Sabbaths. Have you read the examples God had written for our admonition? How can a person study as directed and not see the importance of God's Sabbath to HIM, and for us?

But God's word doesn't return void so I will continue to let HIM speak for Himself.

Rev. 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Since the change or abolition of the Christ's Sabbath is not Prophesied anywhere, even once, in the entire Bible, I have to go outside the Bible to find it's origins. You can look into the historical supports given here to double check these references, so as to see for yourself. Surely this is the beginning of the prophesied "war" against those Saints.
Rev. 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

"When Emperor Constantine I—a pagan sun-worshipper—came to power in A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday-keeping law. His infamous Sunday enforcement law of March 7, A.D. 321, reads as follows: “On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.)"

You will find Constantine murdered anyone who was faithful to the Feast's of Christ that HIS First church gathered in. In other words, if Constantine would have been in power in Jerusalem when Peter and the Apostles gathered on Pentecost, Constantine would have murdered them, and he would have murdered Paul and Jesus as well. He slaughtered a lot of folks, but only those who walked even as HE Walked.

This is the founder of the religious philosophy you are promoting.

"The Sunday law was officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy. The Council of Laodicea in A.D. 364 decreed, “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ” (Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 [Edinburgh, 1876] 316)."

"Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.

Again, “The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893).

“Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).

"The Catholic Church claims that “the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923)."

SDA, in spite of many of their religious traditions contrary to scriptures, are right about the Sabbath of the Christ. Not their observation so much, but certainly the Scriptures they use to support the "Way". I don't prescribe to the Catholic religion as I am not Catholic, just as I don't prescribe to the SDA because I am not of that religion either.

My Faith lies in the Christ of the Bible, and HIS Words. I know religious men have been polluting God's Sabbaths since the beginning, why would I want to take my instruction in righteousness from them, especially since I have HIS Word in my own home.

So as I said before, modern religions, in my view, are just an extension of the parts of the Levitical Priesthood that preserves religious power. They are about power and money and philosophies which promote religions. If a man follows the teaching of the Christ there would be no temples of wood and stone, HIS Temple is in our minds. Where two or more are gathered in His Name. We worship God in Spirit and Truth. He was killed for promoting this "Way of the Lord" which put an end to power of the Levite Priest and Pharisees who rode on their coat tails.

In my view, these religions are the "other " voice in the garden. This is why the Lord's Christ tells us to "come out from among them and be ye separate.

It's not about SDA for me, SDA has nothing to do with my beliefs. It is 100% about the Word's of the Christ which are Spirit and Truth.

tricky stuff all this adding and subtracting from His Word...first Eve was deceived now we have Ellen to deal with...wonder HOW and WHY man gets it wrong so often...
 
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No you are saying that the Sabbath was made for everyone since creation which is a false statement. That is not what Jesus said. That’s why you keep adding the word “ALL” before man. There is zero evidence to even suggest that anyone kept the Sabbath before Mt Sinai. Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man. He did not say the Sabbath was made for “all man” as you keep saying. The Sabbath was made for man at Mt Sinai not before.

These are your words above. I prefer to believe the Words of JESUS when he says he made the Sabbath for all mankind unless your trying to argue that the word "man" used in the Greek of Mark 2:27 "human race" really means Jew and there was Jews living when God made the Sabbath in Genesis 2:1-3 both claims of which have already been shown in the scriptures not to be biblical. There was only Adam and Even when God made the Sabbath. Sadly what you teach here is not biblical and can't be found in the bible.
 
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Yeah that’s exactly what the Judaisers would’ve said to the apostles in Acts 15. I never said there is a scripture that says the Sabbath would be abolished. Guess what there’s no scripture that said circumcision would be abolished before the Holy Spirit abolished it. There’s no scripture that said the Passover would be abolished. There’s no scripture that said animal sacrifices would be abolished. None of these were mentioned in the scriptures as being abolished until after they were abolished.
Thank you for proving my point and not answering my question. You have no scripture do you that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.
 
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Ive asked this several times and still haven’t gotten an answer. Even in this post your addressing it and still not answering it.
I did ask you a question first dear friend before I was considering showing you the biblical and historical records that God has always had a people since the death of JESUS that have kept God's 4th commandment. I asked you if I can show that God has always had a people all through time that have kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath would you then believe it? All you did here was avoid answering my question. If you answer yes I will provide the answer if you answer no then I would be wasting both our time. So what is your answer; YES or NO?
 
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SDA, in spite of many of their religious traditions contrary to scriptures, are right about the Sabbath of the Christ. Not their observation so much, but certainly the Scriptures they use to support the "Way". I don't prescribe to the Catholic religion as I am not Catholic, just as I don't prescribe to the SDA because I am not of that religion either.
I agree with most of your post accept what you have written above. What traditions would that be that are not biblical?
 
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These are your words above. I prefer to believe the Words of JESUS when he says he made the Sabbath for all mankind unless your trying to argue that the word "man" used in the Greek of Mark 2:27 "human race" really means Jew and there was Jews living when God made the Sabbath in Genesis 2:1-3 both claims of which have already been shown in the scriptures not to be biblical. There was only Adam and Even when God made the Sabbath. Sadly what you teach here is not biblical.

I am surprised some have not argued it was made for man ONLY and not woman...lol

The joke builds as WIFE is NOT included...

Exodus 20:10...On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.

Sabbath humor right?
 
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No, Ellen White taught that keeping the Saturday Sabbath is MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. I’ve said this over and over. I never once said that no church kept the Saturday Sabbath. The Eastern Orthodox Church has kept the Sabbath since the beginning but no Christian Church has ever taught that IT IS MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. ARE YOU GETTING THIS? MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. Hopefully we are clear on the issue now.

According to the scriptures, sin is the breaking of anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word when we have been given a knowledge of the truth *1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and according to James, if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. The bible does not teach anywhere that we are saved to continue in known unrepentant sin. According to the scriptures those who practice sin do not know God and will not enter into Gods kingdom because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31; Romans 6:23. Will murderers be in Gods' kingdom? *Revelation 22:15; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10. As the scriptures teach and have been shared with you already, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of words lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. These are God's Word not mine. If they are Gods' Word what excuse do you have not to believe them?
 
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According to the scriptures, sin is the breaking of anyone of God's 10 commandments and not believing and following God's Word when we have been given a knowledge of the truth *1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 4:17; Acts of the Apostles 17:30-31 and according to James, if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. The bible does not teach anywhere that we are saved to continue in known unrepentant sin. According to the scriptures those who practice sin do not know God and will not enter into Gods kingdom because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace *Hebrews 10:26-31; Romans 6:23. Will murderers be in Gods' kingdom? *Revelation 22:15; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-10. As the scriptures teach and have been shared with you already, we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of words lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. These are God's Word not mine. If they are Gods' Word what excuse do you have not to believe them?

Indeed...and I am keen to point out idolatry because that is what OT Israel constantly fell into...also understood as spiritual adultery...but believing they could ADD or change the WAY they worshipped the true God was the issue NOT following another...

Idolatry is counterfeiting HOW He wishes to be worshipped...into something else by changing both His times and Laws...

Galatians 5:19 The acts of the flesh are obvious:...20 idolatry

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: ... nor idolaters...

Revelations 21:8 But to the ... idolaters ..., their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.

Claiming another day is valid is EXACTLY IDOLATRY...which spreads throughout the rest

worshipping another god...one who does have differing laws
taking His name for NAUGHT
dishonoring our Father His will NOT done on earth as it is in heaven
killing the Spirit
adulterating His worship and love NOT AS He loved us...
stealing worship for personal gain authority and power
lying...obviously
coveting the world its acclaim and popularity prize...
 
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I did ask you a question first dear friend before I was considering showing you the biblical and historical records that God has always had a people since the death of JESUS that have kept God's 4th commandment. I asked you if I can show that God has always had a people all through time that have kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath would you then believe it? All you did here was avoid answering my question. If you answer yes I will provide the answer if you answer no then I would be wasting both our time. So what is your answer; YES or NO?

That’s not the question here. Your going to show that people kept the Sabbath. I don’t know how many times I have to say this. There was no church that taught that keeping the Sabbath IS MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. That’s why you keep avoiding the question and procrastinating.
 
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oh my...yes yes...the making the big letters bold AND underlining helps...

good...so which other Laws are we allowed to ignore and still be saved?

because unlike all other churches which claim the 10 need NOT be kept...having even changed the definition of what is understood as "Sabbath"...there is Ellen...I even think she might be ok with more laws still being kept to stay saved...what a party pooper she is...

cuz once saved you're allowed to do anything anytime right?...

or as long as you assist the Mass on Sunday...not doing so is a mortal sin...

thanks again for the big bold underlined letters to help clear this all up...

And my point remains. You haven’t got anything to back your false claims. I’m done here I’ve made my point to anyone with ears to hear.
 
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clefty

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That’s not the question here. Your going to show that people kept the Sabbath. I don’t know how many times I have to say this. There was no church that taught that keeping the Sabbath IS MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. MANDATORY FOR SALVATION. That’s why you keep avoiding the question and procrastinating.

can you please share which of the Living Oracles He handed His bride she can ignore...thanks
 
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