Mail-in voter fraud....how effective can it be?!?!?!?

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I was thinking to myself this morning that if indeed the mail-in voter fraud that is projected happens, how effective could it be? Please forgive my ignorance here but i'm thinking that it would only affect the popular vote, the Mrs. says "doesn't that affect the electoral college"?

Can someone please explain how it works for a guy whose generation had a civics class?

How does the popular vote affect the electoral? How does the electoral beat out the popular vote when the popular vote is bigger? How does a bunch of mail-in ballots profound affect the election?


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I was thinking to myself this morning that if indeed the mail-in voter fraud that is projected happens, how effective could it be? Please forgive my ignorance here but i'm thinking that it would only affect the popular vote, the Mrs. says "doesn't that affect the electoral college"?

Can someone please explain how it works for a guy whose generation had a civics class?

How does the popular vote affect the electoral? How does the electoral beat out the popular vote when the popular vote is bigger? How does a bunch of mail-in ballots profound affect the election?


Thank in advance
It matters WHERE a vote is cast. Five million fraudulent votes in California will not matter because California's electoral votes will all go to the Democrats anyway. A few thousand fraudulent votes in Nebraska won't be able to push the state Democratic because it is overwhelmingly Republican. A couple of hundred fraudulent votes in a very close race could turn that state one way or the other and thus sway the electoral college numbers. The fraud has to be done in all the right places to really matter.
 
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Ballot Harvesting is one way it will happen.

A 3rd party volunteers to pick up ballots and claims to mail them in.
The problem is, they don't mail all of them, especially in districts which they feel
are going to go for the candidate they don't like.
 
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I can only speak of NY because I live in this state and the local News has verified these facts: No absentee ballots will be counted until after all polls close. Then each and every one will be checked against the voting record as people sometimes change their minds. Once double voting is removed these are checked for deceased voters next. Only after these have been so check will they be counted.

Still I also heard the number of voter fraud cases are not likely to go up but the rumor they will may indeed effect the election. This is because Trump and Republicans have so frightened wood be voters from using these earlier voting methods which have increase convenience and thus higher voting overall is likely to help Democrats.

These posts are part of the problem so if indeed, this is true, Republicans have no one but themselves to blame when they loose big! Still, I myself would prefer to tank this party system and have politicians run on only their records and their ideas and not the parties!
 
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I voted early yesterday. It went very smooth !

However, the concern I have is that I had to fill out an envelope with my name and address on it, then put the ballot inside and seal it, with the water stick they provided.

So with my name and address, some one could see how I voted if they wanted to.

I didn't like that part of the experience.
 
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[QUOTE="JimR-OCDS, post: 75462858, member: 234068"]I voted early yesterday. It went very smooth !

JS: Thank you for voting early, it means every ones voices can be heard.

However, the concern I have is that I had to fill out an envelope with my name and address on it, then put the ballot inside and seal it, with the water stick they provided.

JimR-OCDSL So with my name and address, some one could see how I voted if they wanted to.

I didn't like that part of the experience
.[/QUOTE]

We fill out out ballot then feed it into a machine. Even mailed in ballots go into these machines for counting so the only slow down and why we have to wait a week after election for results to to verify the ballots are kosher. Once they have that feeding them in is all they have to do.

Still demanding this on voting day is ridiculous (they maybe able to see who voted for whom). Is this even illegal?
 
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[QUOTE="JimR-OCDS, post: 75462858, member: 234068"]I voted early yesterday. It went very smooth !

JS: Thank you for voting early, it means every ones voices can be heard.

However, the concern I have is that I had to fill out an envelope with my name and address on it, then put the ballot inside and seal it, with the water stick they provided.

JimR-OCDSL So with my name and address, some one could see how I voted if they wanted to.

I didn't like that part of the experience
.

We fill out out ballot then feed it into a machine. Even mailed in ballots go into these machines for counting so the only slow down and why we have to wait a week after election for results to to verify the ballots are kosher. Once they have that feeding them in is all they have to do.

Still demanding this on voting day is ridiculous (they maybe able to see who voted for whom). Is this even illegal?[/QUOTE]

But mailed in ballots and early ballots, include the name and address of the voter.

When we vote in person on Election Day, such is not the case.

We go to the registration clerk of the precinct and give our name and address. They gave us a ballot and we go into a booth and vote where no one can see. Then we take the ballot and go to another clerk and again give our name and address. However, we feed the ballot into a ballot machine and no one sees how we voted.

It may not be a big deal to have my name and address on the envelope which has my ballot inside, but it could be used by a deviant person in charge of the counting.
 
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In tight races, generally speaking, voter fraud exists on both sides of the issue/people being voted for.

Several mail carriers have already been sent to prison and voting box arsonists as well.

In a few places there have been more people voting than they have of residents. (Dead people voting)

But usually neither side actually challenges the vote counts. Because if all the fraud is removed both sides lose due to the fracturing of american society.

In this election cycle we have had an unprecedented number of people voting.

Which, generally speaking again, means that whoever is elected will disappoint massively. And voters will be disillusioned from voting... except for an angry mob who will see to it that whoever is elected will be removed from office.

Just natural expectation of emotions of american society.
 
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We fill out out ballot then feed it into a machine. Even mailed in ballots go into these machines for counting so the only slow down and why we have to wait a week after election for results to to verify the ballots are kosher. Once they have that feeding them in is all they have to do.

Still demanding this on voting day is ridiculous (they maybe able to see who voted for whom). Is this even illegal?

But mailed in ballots and early ballots, include the name and address of the voter.

When we vote in person on Election Day, such is not the case.

We go to the registration clerk of the precinct and give our name and address. They gave us a ballot and we go into a booth and vote where no one can see. Then we take the ballot and go to another clerk and again give our name and address. However, we feed the ballot into a ballot machine and no one sees how we voted.

It may not be a big deal to have my name and address on the envelope which has my ballot inside, but it could be used by a deviant person in charge of the counting.[/QUOTE]

What state are you in?
 
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But mailed in ballots and early ballots, include the name and address of the voter.

When we vote in person on Election Day, such is not the case.

We go to the registration clerk of the precinct and give our name and address. They gave us a ballot and we go into a booth and vote where no one can see. Then we take the ballot and go to another clerk and again give our name and address. However, we feed the ballot into a ballot machine and no one sees how we voted.

It may not be a big deal to have my name and address on the envelope which has my ballot inside, but it could be used by a deviant person in charge of the counting.

What state are you in?[/QUOTE]

Massachusetts
 
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Some states these days actually require identification to vote. (Depending upon the state)
Usually the democratic party hates this as they tend to rely upon dead people voting moreso than the Republicans who tend to rely upon gerrymandering and blocked polling places. (Road construction and sewer/water line repair)

There's a lot of games that officials play.

But in the end... usually the fraudulent votes equal out.
 
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Some states these days actually require identification to vote. (Depending upon the state)
Usually the democratic party hates this as they tend to rely upon dead people voting moreso than the Republicans who tend to rely upon gerrymandering and blocked polling places. (Road construction and sewer/water line repair)

There's a lot of games that officials play.

But in the end... usually the fraudulent votes equal out.

So far I seen little evidence dead people vote, and in NY they check for this before votes are counted. Also I heard how blacks down south often find it hard to vote, broken machines, distant voting places and lost votes are among some of the charges I heard of in the past. So perhaps some voter fraud has been perpetuated by Democrats, but Republicans are also guilty. In fact this s another reason to get rid of the two party system so people can vote for folks based on what each person did and how they believe!
 
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Some states these days actually require identification to vote. (Depending upon the state)
Usually the democratic party hates this as they tend to rely upon dead people voting moreso than the Republicans who tend to rely upon gerrymandering and blocked polling places. (Road construction and sewer/water line repair)

There's a lot of games that officials play.

But in the end... usually the fraudulent votes equal out.

I use to be on the side that a photo ID must be presented when voting.

However, after what the DMV put me through to just renew my drivers license this year, I can see how some people would not be able to get a Federal ID from the DMV, which is where they'd have to go. Voting is Constitutional Right, and the DMV in my state, can't be reached by people who don't drive and a taxi cab would be costly. I now oppose any law mandating a citizen present a photo ID when voting.
 
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So far I seen little evidence dead people vote, and in NY they check for this before votes are counted. Also I heard how blacks down south often find it hard to vote, broken machines, distant voting places and lost votes are among some of the charges I heard of in the past. So perhaps some voter fraud has been perpetuated by Democrats, but Republicans are also guilty. In fact this s another reason to get rid of the two party system so people can vote for folks based on what each person did and how they believe!

Yeah but most of these problems are in black districts where the polls are run by blacks.

It's up to them to get things right before the election and not blame others because they weren't prepared.
 
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We use our voting cards which are mailed to us as long as we are registered. This has all our information including our voting district number so we get the correct ballot. Any photo ID should be enough to prove who you are as long as it also contains enough personal info, like a students ID.
 
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Yeah but most of these problems are in black districts where the polls are run by blacks.

It's up to them to get things right before the election and not blame others because they weren't prepared.


This is not what I've heard, though who gives them the equipment and resources for those voting machines and areas they can vote in?
 
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This is not what I've heard, though who gives them the equipment and resources for those voting machines and areas they can vote in?

The equipment is provided by the election commission of the state, which they are part of.

If the equipment doesn't function properly, that's for them to fix before the election, not complain about it on the day of the election
 
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I use to be on the side that a photo ID must be presented when voting.

However, after what the DMV put me through to just renew my drivers license this year, I can see how some people would not be able to get a Federal ID from the DMV, which is where they'd have to go. Voting is Constitutional Right, and the DMV in my state, can't be reached by people who don't drive and a taxi cab would be costly. I now oppose any law mandating a citizen present a photo ID when voting.
A voter registration card is usually sufficient. Picture ID isn't usually necessary. But the voting machines are set up and now sealed until voting is completed.
There's been a ton of various ways vote fraud has happened the past.

From voting machines that only record votes for one person or changes your vote to a particular candidate. 110% votes from particular precincts. All kinds of frauds.

That's how they notice them.

An election that has approximately 30% of eligible voters coming out to vote has one rather ordinary precinct have 90% of its voters show up and vote for a particular candidate opposite of the way that this particular precinct usually votes? Yeah... like that really happened.

And this sort of thing will be examined in this election cycle.
 
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