Police investigate Ohio plan to 'arrest' governor DeWine for tyranny

Triumvirate · Oct 27, 2020

Kentonio said:
Why, so you can suddenly agree he did something wrong, unlike the last 200 times we're done this dance?

The poor dears can't admit how badly they messed up at this stage.

That might require some reflection and humility.

Kentonio · Oct 27, 2020

Kenny'sID said:
Show me those 200 times.

And if you couldn't stand behind your claim there was no need to make a second false claim, just admit you got nothing.

I could spend half an hour quoting all the previous times that you’ve insisted something didn’t happen, been shown it happened, insisted the evidence is a lie, been shown even more evidence and then just blown it off, but seriously why would I waste my time?

You’re fully aboard the Trump train, nothing anyone says or shows you is going to make you change your mind. Given that there’s only 7 days remaining until his horrible administration is given its marching orders, why waste the time on someone who will just blindly defend anything he says or does?

Kenny'sID · Oct 27, 2020

Kentonio said:
I could spend half an hour quoting all the previous times that you’ve insisted something didn’t happen, been shown it happened, insisted the evidence is a lie, been shown even more evidence and then just blown it off, but seriously why would I waste my time?

You’re fully aboard the Trump train, nothing anyone says or shows you is going to make you change your mind. Given that there’s only 7 days remaining until his horrible administration is given its marching orders, why waste the time on someone who will just blindly defend anything he says or does?

I see you are still not able to stand behind your claims...oh well.

disciple Clint · Oct 28, 2020

Speedwell said:
Correct. That's why I specified good gun laws. LOL! Do you think gun laws are supposed to magically enforce themselves?

Do you think laws stop criminals? If they did there would not be any criminals would there?

disciple Clint · Oct 28, 2020

GreatLakes4Ever said:
That attitude is for if we had an authoritarian government. In this country if we don’t like a law, we have a right to work to try and change the law. If you don’t like that people can work to change laws you like, I suggest it is you that should leave.

for those who prefer the laws that other countries have they are free to move.

disciple Clint · Oct 28, 2020

driewerf said:
Or campaign to change them? Why is that not an option?

If and when the majority here wants to change the gun laws that will happen, so far that is not the case but that would not keep the left from trying to change the law using an executive order as Harris has said she would do.

disciple Clint · Oct 28, 2020

MIDutch said:
And you will do this ... how? By force of arms if necessary?

Sounds about right. I quite clearly remember a gun owning white supremecist telling me he would gladly shoot me if he had a chance merely because I wasn't white. That seems to be the motivation for a large percentage of "law abiding" gun owners.

That is a rather broad brush statement dont you think? kind of insulting as well.

Gene2memE · Oct 28, 2020

disciple Clint said:
for those who prefer the laws that other countries have they are free to move.

Does the same advice apply to Evangelical Christians concerning Roe v. Wade or Obergefell v. Hodges? Or Republicans and the Affordable Care Act? Or creationists and Kitzmiller v. Dover?

Or, you know, they could behave like individuals in every other representative democracy and petition their representatives to have the laws changed. Or push cases forward into courts of law.

You can love your country, and still want it to be different from how it is. In fact, if you love your country you should want to stay and change it for the better. Even if you disagree with other people on what that better actually looks like. Especially if you disagree.

disciple Clint · Oct 28, 2020

Gene2memE said:
Does the same advice apply to Evangelical Christians concerning Roe v. Wade or Obergefell v. Hodges? Or Republicans and the Affordable Care Act? Or creationists and Kitzmiller v. Dover?

Or, you know, they could behave like individuals in every other representative democracy and petition their representatives to have the laws changed. Or push cases forward into courts of law.

This 'love it or leave it' mentality is such spurious rubbish. You can love your country, and still want it to be different from how it is. In fact, if you love your country you should want to stay and change it for the better. Even if you disagree with other people on what that better actually looks like. Especially if you disagree.

It's such a reflexive, zero thought turn of phrase. 'Hur, hur, if you don't like it, you're free get out'.

Guess what? They're also free to change it. And if you don't like it, you are free to move.

Perhaps you should suggest to Ms Harris that her plan to change gun laws by executive order is not in keeping with the way our country is set up to operate. I responded to the fact that the poster was using the laws of other countries as an example of what they felt was superior to the laws of our country, all those who feel that other countries are better in any way than this country are free to move as I stated, you personal attacks are neither appreciated nor appropriate.

SimplyMe · Oct 28, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Perhaps you should suggest to Ms Harris that her plan to change gun laws by executive order is not in keeping with the way our country is set up to operate. I responded to the fact that the poster was using the laws of other countries as an example of what they felt was superior to the laws of our country, all those who feel that other countries are better in any way than this country are free to move as I stated, you personal attacks are neither appreciated nor appropriate.

I'm not sure why you are even threatened by it. If Harris were to become President, and if she did try to change gun laws by Executive Order, then the Supreme Court would invalidate the order. It would never take effect.

disciple Clint · Oct 28, 2020

SimplyMe said:
I'm not sure why you are even threatened by it. If Harris were to become President, and if she did try to change gun laws by Executive Order, then the Supreme Court would invalidate the order. It would never take effect.

Do I need to remind you that Obama had several executive orders because he could not get his desires passed and he decided to be a dictator instead of a president. One of those executive orders was DACA and unlike what you say would happen, it did take effect and it is still causing issues for everyone in this nation. So as you said "wrong, try again". DACA Is Unconstitutional, as Obama Admitted

SimplyMe · Oct 28, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Do I need to remind you that Obama had several executive orders because he could not get his desires passed and he decided to be a dictator instead of a president. One of those executive orders was DACA and unlike what you say would happen, it did take effect and it is still causing issues for everyone in this nation. So as you said "wrong, try again". DACA Is Unconstitutional, as Obama Admitted

Odd, Obama never stated DACA was unconstitutional -- instead, the editorial takes several Obama quotes from years before out of context and tries to apply them to DACA. Even odder, the Supreme Court upheld DACA as Constitutional.

Yes, Obama did have several Executive Orders. The problem you have, though, is that the ones that were unconstitutional the Supreme Court struck down. In this case, since we are talking bans on guns, the Supreme Court would strike them down since they would violate the 2nd Amendment -- particularly the current Supreme Court.

Kentonio · Oct 28, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Do you think laws stop criminals? If they did there would not be any criminals would there?

What strange logic. If laws are so pointless, then why bother having them at all?

disciple Clint · Oct 28, 2020

Kentonio said:
What strange logic. If laws are so pointless, then why bother having them at all?

Following your logic all crime would be eliminated just because it is against the law, we know that simply passing a law does not deter crime. Enforcement and punishment are required and even then look at the number of repeat offenders. Making guns illegal will not preclude criminals from having guns.

Kentonio · Oct 28, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Following your logic all crime would be eliminated just because it is against the law, we know that simply passing a law does not deter crime.

No, because most people recognize that the world isn't a series of absolutes, where things either work perfectly or don't work at all.

disciple Clint said:
Enforcement and punishment are required and even then look at the number of repeat offenders. Making guns illegal will not preclude criminals from having guns.

Obviously making guns illegal won't prevent all criminals from having guns. But having guns be illegal and providing the threat of a significant period of imprisonment for those criminals who are caught with guns acts as a deterrent to their use. If being simply found with a gun in a stop and search could send you to jail for 20 years, then you're going to think long and hard about whether to take that risk.

disciple Clint · Oct 29, 2020

Kentonio said:
No, because most people recognize that the world isn't a series of absolutes, where things either work perfectly or don't work at all.

Obviously making guns illegal won't prevent all criminals from having guns. But having guns be illegal and providing the threat of a significant period of imprisonment for those criminals who are caught with guns acts as a deterrent to their use. If being simply found with a gun in a stop and search could send you to jail for 20 years, then you're going to think long and hard about whether to take that risk.

OK so why is this not working in Chicago were they have serious gun laws but they also have killings every day?

Kentonio · Oct 29, 2020

disciple Clint said:
OK so why is this not working in Chicago were they have serious gun laws but they also have killings every day?

The big gang problem.

OddityCrisis · Oct 29, 2020

MIDutch said:
Doesn't seem to be as much of a problem in other developed nations as you seem to think it should be:

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

If you remove urban, often minority, gun violence, the numbers aren't far removed.

disciple Clint · Oct 29, 2020

Kentonio said:
The big gang problem.

Oh so gun laws do not apply to gangs? So gun laws do not stop criminals from having guns, do they?

Danthemailman · Oct 29, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Having laws that only restrict the options of legal gun owners is not going to do a thing about the criminals and terrorists, the point is that they do not obey any law that restricts them. Frankly I feel safer in places where almost everyone is likely packing a gun. A criminal or terrorist would be a fool to show up in those places, unless they want ten guns pointed at them for every one they had.

Amen! If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns.

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