Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

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.....and the point I'm trying to make is that Daniel 9 is not a Messianic summary - it's only the time-frame.
Daniel 9, the 69 shmitahs is a time-frame of the messiah's arrival in Jerusalem, and his being cutoff.

Which the messiah's arrival is in John 12:12-15 in Jerusalem, hailed as the King of Israel coming in the name of Lord - in the text.

Then a little further down in John 12:23-28, Jesus spoke that the time had come for his death (the messiah cutoff) which would be a few days later.

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The 70th shmitah is about the 7 years preceding Jesus's return, fulfilling everything in Daniel 9:24.
 
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Daniel 9, the 69 shmitahs is a time-frame of the messiah's arrival in Jerusalem, and his being cutoff.

Which the messiah's arrival is in John 12:12-15 in Jerusalem, hailed as the King of Israel coming in the name of Lord - in the text.

Then a little further down in John 12:23-28, Jesus spoke that the time had come for his death (the messiah cutoff) which would be a few days later.

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The 70th shmitah is about the 7 years preceding Jesus's return, fulfilling everything in Daniel 9:24.

The problem with your theory, well one problem anyway, is Messiah is Cut off AFTER the 69 weeks had already ended... The Cutting off of Messiah is not an event that takes place within the 1st 69 weeks. The text is quite unambiguously clear on that fact..

Why are 70 weeks determined? To do these things:
1. to finish the transgression
2. to make an end of sins
3. to make reconciliation for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal up the vision and prophecy
6. to anoint the most Holy

1. Finish the Transgression.
Recall that to begin with, the Jews were in captivity for 490 years because of not honoring the Sabbath - they didn't give the land rest every seven years. The 70 years of capitivity in Babylon gave the land its rest. This is in 2 Chronicles 36- it's a whole lot of verses. Then God gives them another 490 years - maybe this time is their last chance.

2. Make an End of Sins.
Though we still sin, our sins no longer have power to prevent us from salvation. Jesus, by fulfilling the Law, ended sins strength. Sin is now utterly powerless to prevent anyone from Salvation. In fact, ONLY sinners get saved.

3. Make Reconciliation for Iniquity.
Only Jesus could do this. He came to make reconciliation for us.

4. Bring in Everlasting Righteousness
Jesus Himself said that He fulfilled all righteousness.

5. Seal up the Vision and Prophecy
Contrary to what most teach about this passage, "seal up" doesn't mean to hide it from men's understanding until the last days. From Strong's, seal is [2856] chatham: meaning to close up, make an end of, stop. So Jesus made the end of this vision and prophecy. It doesn't say "all visions and prophecies" for you naysayers. It says "the vision..."

6. Anoint the Most Holy
Again, Jesus was anointed at His baptism in Mark 1. He is the Most Holy.

Jesus' first coming and ministry on this earth, through to His death, burial and resurrection and subsequent 3.5 year ministry to the Jews exclusively by the apostles, fulfilled the 70th week of Daniel completely.
 
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Gog's army was buried back in Ezekiel 39:11-16.
That you are wrong; again - is proved by how it takes 7 years to find and dispose of all the bones. Picked clean by then! Ezekiel 39:14-16
 
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Jesus' first coming and ministry on this earth, through to His death, burial and resurrection and subsequent 3.5 year ministry to the Jews exclusively by the apostles, fulfilled the 70th week of Daniel completely.
I find this assertion shocking. It is a direct misinterpretation of plainly stated Prophecy and an assumption without Biblical or historical support.

Daniel 9:24 is not fulfilled:
Rebellion is not stopped yet.
Sin is rampant.
Iniquity is not expiated.
Righteousness is hard to find.
The Visions and Prophesies are not yet fulfilled.
The Most holy Place is not built yet.
 
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That you are wrong; again - is proved by how it takes 7 years to find and dispose of all the bones. Picked clean by then! Ezekiel 39:14-16
Read the text again. Using a KJV bible. It takes 7 months to bury the dead.
 
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The 70 weeks are 70 shmitah cycles, which the 70 years of Babylonian captivity are 10 shmitah cycles that the land was to get its rest. The shmitah cycles are part of the Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses tied the confirming of the covenant to the shmitah cycle, the year of release. i.e. once every seven years.

The 70th week in Daniel is the 70th shmitah cycle. Christianity, founded on the New Covenant in Christ is not tied to the shmitah cycle.

Daniel was a prophet. He was called and inspired to prophesy. Not about the weak and beggarly elements (Galatians 4:9-11) of a flawed and finite Israelite covenant that would decay and vanish away (Hebrews 8:13) , but about something of infinitely greater significance, grandeur, and beauty, the New Everlasting Covenant (Hebrews 13:20), offered to the whole world (John 3:16), written in the Blood of both its Testator (Hebrews 9:16-17) and Heir (Hebrews 1:1-2),
Messiah the Prince (Daniel 9:25).

And prophesy of it, he did. In Daniel 9:24-27. There for us who have received it to read and marvel and give ceaseless praise and thanksgiving.

We, the Church, the Covenant Chosen People of God.

And we alone.
 
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Daniel was a prophet.
I agree.

Messiah the Prince (Daniel 9:25).

And prophesy of it, he did. In Daniel 9:24-27.
But Daniel did not interpret the 70 weeks. Daniel recorded what Gabriel narrated to him.

In Daniel 9:26, the messiah cutoff, but not for himself, is Jesus. The person who is the prince who shall come. Who confirms the covenant (the Mt. Sinai covenant) for 7 years. Is the great opposer (to Jesus).

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the little horn>prince who shall come>the Antichrist>the revealed man of sin>the beast

the great opposer (to Jesus)
 
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I agree.


But Daniel did not interpret the 70 weeks. Daniel recorded what Gabriel narrated to him.

In Daniel 9:26, the messiah cutoff, but not for himself, is Jesus. The person who is the prince who shall come. Who confirms the covenant (the Mt. Sinai covenant) for 7 years. Is the great opposer (to Jesus).

The Holy Spirit, Gabriel, and Daniel leave no doubt about the identity of the prince.

He is Messiah the Prince.

There is no "great opposer to Jesus" whom Scripture identifies as a prince.
 
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The Holy Spirit, Gabriel, and Daniel leave no doubt about the identity of the prince.

He is Messiah the Prince.

There is no "great opposer" whom Scripture identifies as a prince.
Is Jesus, not King ?

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the little horn>prince who shall come>the Antichrist>the revealed man of sin>the beast

the great opposer (to Jesus)

the great opposer - blanket term

 
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I find this assertion shocking. It is a direct misinterpretation of plainly stated Prophecy and an assumption without Biblical or historical support.

Daniel 9:24 is not fulfilled:
Rebellion is not stopped yet.
Sin is rampant.
Iniquity is not expiated.
Righteousness is hard to find.
The Visions and Prophesies are not yet fulfilled.
The Most holy Place is not built yet.
.....and I find this assertion shocking. This was the standard interpretation (and foundation of our faith) up until a few centuries ago (what Parousia70 posted). No wonder beliefs of eschatology are all over the place - there's not even unity of beliefs regarding the Cross and His resurrection.
 
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Is Jesus, not King ?

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the little horn>prince who shall come>the Antichrist>the revealed man of sin>the beast

the great opposer (to Jesus)

the great opposer - blanket term

There is no "great opposer to Jesus" whom Scripture identifies as a prince.
 
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The point is that the bible has verses referring to a prince who is opposed to Jesus.

Is He worried?

Colossians 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
 
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No wonder beliefs of eschatology are all over the place
Demonstrated very well by the 2 posters above.

But my 'shock' at parousia's assertion that Jesus was Crucified in the middle of the 69th 'week' to be such a bad and unscriptural idea, that it puts him at risk of severe Judgment. James 3:1
Read the text again. Using a KJV bible. It takes 7 months to bury the dead.
I do look at the KJV, only because you and many others go by its erroneous, poorly translated and archaic language.
The seven months of searching for and burying of the bones is obviously time for all the flesh to be gone, either by carrion animals, even rats, but also ants and bacteria.
However: it will take seven years for all the weapons to be finally disposed of. I see that 7 years being completed before, or at the mid point of the final 7 years.
 
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