Do People Believe Homosexuality Still Abomination To God?

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Squirrels and Pigs have also been shown. God Bless :)

got a link for that?
I searched and couldn't find any links that corroborate the veracity of that claim.

I did find this however:
How Armadillos Can Spread Leprosy | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine.

"Armadillos are the only other animals besides humans to host the leprosy bacillus."

Edit... Furthur search reveled the squirrel connection:
UK red squirrels carry 'a form of leprosy' - scientists

But still nothing on Pigs...
 
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God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Why do you think he has changed?
From the very beginning of the Bible in his relationship with people God has been prepared to change his mind; from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Saul, David and many others, just read your Bible. And I will tell you why God has changed it is because he loves us.
 
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The whole LGBTIQ etc movement is a direct attack on the purpose of God in creating mankind. Satan's alphabet soup gender blender denies the truth that God made male and female - and nothing else. If you want to point the finger, try looking in the mirror first. The rise of the homosexual lobby mirrors the decline of the church. The wrath of God is revealed by what He does not do, not what He does. (Romans 1:22). People reject God and His ways and then complain about the consequences. "Why does God not help us?" Why would He?

God has intervened countless times and in countless ways to save humanity from itself. Perhaps God's patience is wearing thin. He's letting us reap what we sow. Can anything be done? Sure. Judgement begins with the house of God. When Christians quit playing church and fighting other Christians, God will listen to us. We can pray and our nations will be restored. They will never be as they should be because the world is headed towards destruction. But at least the worst of man's folly will be restrained. We will have a little longer to preach the Kingdom of God and so fulfil the great commission.
We've got plenty of problems today. But I rather suspect almost all of them are cause by the 97% of us who aren't gay. (Note that 3% is a reasonable estimate for purely homosexual. It doesn't include various shades of bisexual, etc.)
 
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Can anyone one this thread accept that Heterosexuality can also be an abomination?

It isn't the 'being' that's the sin, it's the doing.
Like a heterosexual unmarried person is called to be celibate and pure so is the homosexual. Sex is for marriage only and marriage in God’s eyes is only one man to one women. It is not two women or two men or a man with multiple wives. The extra wives are not married to him, only the first wife is.

A heterosexual couple who have unmarried sex are committing the sin of fornication or immorality.
Colossians 3:5
Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.


The homosexual couple are also committing fornication and immorality, it doesn't matter if they are married or not because God doesn’t recognize that as marriage.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


As I said in my previous post, it is not singling out homosexuals, being a dunked and swindler is in the same sentence. It is the practice of homosexuality, not simply the desire that is condemned. Everyone is tempted by something, be it to sin sexually, drink to excess or break things in anger, we are called to control ourselves.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27
24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

No one said controlling ourselves was going to be easy.

1 Thessalonians 4:3-4
For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honour,

All unmarried Christians are called to practice purity.

Galatians 5:16
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
By walking in the spirit.


But these verses are directed towards homosexual practices.
Old Testament
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)


But it's not just the Old Testament, it is repeated in the New Testament.
For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. (Romans 1:26-27)

But there are just as many verses towards heterosexuals.
Matthew 19:4-5
He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?

Jesus was quoting from Genesis as this is where God instituted marriage.

Hebrews 13:4
Let marriage be held in honour among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.

Cheating on your wife is a sin and this doesn't just mean physical touching.

Matthew 5:28
28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Obviously lust here refers to much than just seeing a women and finding her attractive, but dwelling on her, fantasising about her (would include inappropriate contentography) James sets that out in more detail.


James 1:14-15
14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

Desire by itself isn't called sin. Once desire has started it is at this point that self-control needs to be used to prevent it from turning into sin. Immediately on finding other women sexually attractive a man (or women) should immediately turn their thoughts away and towards their spouse.
1 Corinthians 7:1-40 is a great chapter on marriage.
 
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From the very beginning of the Bible in his relationship with people God has been prepared to change his mind; from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Saul, David and many others, just read your Bible. And I will tell you why God has changed it is because he loves us.

Attributes of God.

1. All powerful
2. Love
3. All knowing
4. Unchanging Mal 3:6
Mal 4:6 “For I, the Lord, do not change; therefore you, the sons of Jacob, have not come to an end.
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, and forever
 
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Edit... Furthur search reveled the squirrel connection:
UK red squirrels carry 'a form of leprosy' - scientists

But still nothing on Pigs...

It was a physical journal I read about the squirrels and Pigs in, here at the Uni. I'm sure there must be articles about the pig/leprosy connection online. Jesus cleansed the lepers and drowned the pigs.

The underlying point I think is that the creatures The Lord warned not to eat in the Old Testament all have significant health risks associated with them. Squirrels can spread leprosy, who would have thought? Bats and Covid 19, rats spread bubonic plague. Lobsters, crabs and shellfish are bottom feeders and carrion eaters. Also things like mixing two different types of cloth, this can cause chronic skin disease. I don't think the Lord put any of the warnings in the bible just to fill the page.
God Bless :)
 
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Lev 18 talks about what happens to even the pagan nations around Israel if they engaged in specific abominations given enough time.

Romans 1 and also 1Cor 6 talk about this subject as well.

however there are "other factors" besides the Bible that come into play when it comes to how someone will choose to respond to this topic.

Romania is an interesting case in point. Their laws were against same-sex unions but then the U.S., Canada, and the EU forced them to change their laws by using leverage related to partnerships, security agreements. etc.



That's true you absolutely right, Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: (Leviticus 18:22-24)

Note something else in this set of scriptures. “Defile not yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you. The Lord dealt with this before and it looks like he will be dealing with it again in the future.







 
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The whole LGBTIQ etc movement is a direct attack on the purpose of God in creating mankind. Satan's alphabet soup gender blender denies the truth that God made male and female - and nothing else. If you want to point the finger, try looking in the mirror first. The rise of the homosexual lobby mirrors the decline of the church. The wrath of God is revealed by what He does not do, not what He does. (Romans 1:22). People reject God and His ways and then complain about the consequences. "Why does God not help us?" Why would He?

God has intervened countless times and in countless ways to save humanity from itself. Perhaps God's patience is wearing thin. He's letting us reap what we sow. Can anything be done? Sure. Judgement begins with the house of God. When Christians quit playing church and fighting other Christians, God will listen to us. We can pray and our nations will be restored. They will never be as they should be because the world is headed towards destruction. But at least the worst of man's folly will be restrained. We will have a little longer to preach the Kingdom of God and so fulfil the great commission.

Jesus says in Matthew 13: 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. So we strengthen each other in the word of God and the Lord deal with it in his time. If you can get sinners to repent...then praise the Lord, no need to point the finger, the word of God does it automatically.
 
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I doubt it. The scriptures are fairly clear on the matter. But isn't this more indicative that USA is becoming a more ungodly nation than many of its leaders would care to think. We should be expecting ungodly practices in an ungodly nation.

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Romans 1:18-21)

Note what the verse says, “Who hold the truth in unrighteousness.” Here we see these men knew the truth but “they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart were darkened.” They professed themselves to be wise but became fools. This is going on all over the world, not just the U.S.
 
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It was a physical journal I read about the squirrels and Pigs in, here at the Uni. I'm sure there must be articles about the pig/leprosy connection online. Jesus cleansed the lepers and drowned the pigs.

The underlying point I think is that the creatures The Lord warned not to eat in the Old Testament all have significant health risks associated with them. Squirrels can spread leprosy, who would have thought?
no one because they don't give leprosy to humans. Squirrels can host a form of leprosy but it is not the kind that transfers to human beings.

Bats and Covid 19, rats spread bubonic plague. Lobsters, crabs and shellfish are bottom feeders and carrion eaters. Also things like mixing two different types of cloth, this can cause chronic skin disease.
did you just make that up?

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Based on the stated numbers from the census you quoted, that’s about 1 in 70 who represent same sex households. There is definitely a reaping for what is sowed.

That's what Paul says in Gal 6: (v.7) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
 
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Do People Believe Homosexuality Still Abomination To God?

Why not ask this same question about eating shellfish or wearing poly cotton blend clothes or having tattoos?

I kinda did, I have an old thread a few pages back on the subject. Talks about the dietary law.
 
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No! God created Man and Woman. If it were ok to be Man and Man He would have stopped with Man! God is NOT ok with it and Jesus is not some peace loving hippie saying " Lay down with your brother". This is NOT ok, nor is it ok that they adopt The RAINBOW as their symbol when this is Gods promise to the earth!! Why was this allowed?

But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. (James 1:14-15)

Homosexuality is not an abnormality; it is a result of an individual’s own sexual desires. Once this takes place, what happens? Note what the verse says, “Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” This death is the second death, which is the Lake of Fire.
 
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Since the first AIDS cases were reported in 1981 through mid-1998, more than 665,000 AIDS cases and more than 400,000 deaths have been reported in the United States alone. This is only the tip of the iceberg of HIV infection. It is estimated that nearly 1 million Americans had been infected through the late 1990s but had not yet developed clinical symptoms. AIDS has spread around the world. In 1997 the United Nations announced that it had underestimated the spread of the disease and revised the worldwide estimate of people living with the virus from over 22 million in 1996 to over 30 million in 1997. More than 20 million of these people are in sub-Saharan Africa; 6 million are in Southeast Asia. The AIDS epidemic, which started in the 1980s, has devastated the gay community. (Quote from Grolier multimedia encyclopedia.)

The acceptance of homosexuality is also being spearheaded by today’s modern church.
“….Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” Many leaders of today’s churches have “changed the truth of God into a lie” and have led their congregation in accepting homosexuality as an acceptable practice. Those so-called men and women that announce themselves as ministers of God, and say this behavior has their approval, they will have to deal with the Lord in the day of Judgement. The occupation of a minister of God is to be a watchman that warns the masses of the wrath to come because of sin. One of the most prevalent lies told by these ministers of Satan is, “come to the Lord as you are.” The Bible is clear on how an individual comes to stand before the Most High God. In the book of Acts chapter two verse 38 states that we must repent, and be baptized every one of us in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. These so-call ministers skip over the word “repent” which simply means to make a change. We cannot come to the Lord as we are, we must clean our acts up first. We must understand brothers and sisters that there is no degree of sin in the eyes of the Lord. If we become practitioners of sin we will receive a just reward, which is the lake of fire.



 
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I do not believe that same-sex attraction is sin. We all, at least at times, desire things which are wrong. We are to turn from unrighteous desires and repent of them, however.
Same-sex acts are, of course, sinful. They can be repented of - just like other sins.
What seems to make homosexuality different is something which is coming not from Christians, but from others - the desire to call that which is sinful righteous and the refusal to repent.

I am weak and therefore I still sin. I desire things which I should not. But at no point do I attempt to call my sin righteousness or to convince everyone else to accept my sin as being good.

I am attracted to both women and men, but I do not act on my attraction to men. I am married to a woman and have been faithful to her for twenty years. Similarly, I am attracted to other types of sin and do my best not to yield to those sins. When I fail, I repent. I never instead try to tell the world that my sin is good and should be hailed by all around me as beautiful.
 
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I do not believe that same-sex attraction is sin. We all, at least at times, desire things which are wrong. We are to turn from unrighteous desires and repent of them, however.
Same-sex acts are, of course, sinful. They can be repented of - just like other sins.
What seems to make homosexuality different is something which is coming not from Christians, but from others - the desire to call that which is sinful righteous and the refusal to repent.

I am weak and therefore I still sin. I desire things which I should not. But at no point do I attempt to call my sin righteousness or to convince everyone else to accept my sin as being good.

I am attracted to both women and men, but I do not act on my attraction to men. I am married to a woman and have been faithful to her for twenty years. Similarly, I am attracted to other types of sin and do my best not to yield to those sins. When I fail, I repent. I never instead try to tell the world that my sin is good and should be hailed by all around me as beautiful.

Interesting thought, and I hope that people repent and have a change of heart in they sinful ways. I understand that change doesn't happen over night. But we must keep ourselves from willful sin, that's the key. But you have some people who try to make excuses for everything that is contrary to the word of God.

Note what Paul says in I Timothy 1:8. But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; How might we use the law lawfully? By keeping the law.

Note what Paul says next.

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; (I Timothy 1:9-10)

Note what Paul says, “Knowing this that the law is not made for a righteous man.” Why, because a righteous man or woman are keeping the law. The law is for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, for whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons…
 
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Tastes like rubber?

An interesting aside. I remember reading a quarterly journal at the Uni talking about leprosy in Late Medieval Scotland. A squirrel was recently tested for the disease and found to be a carrier. Pigs can also transmit leprosy to humans. Both were on the menu. Following the OT dietary rules would have reduced the risk of being infected with leprosy. I think it's reasonable to assume that God doesn't just say things to fill up the page, it's all for a reason. God Bless :)

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