Third Temple Scam in modern Jerusalem?

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Do you think your answer above agrees with what Paul said below?

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


When was the gospel taken first to the Jews, and how long was this period of time?

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Yes, Luke 24:44-48 agrees with what Paul wrote.
 
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Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The New Testament was already extant. It was confirmed by Jesus at His death, in fulfillment of Daniel 9:27.
The prince who shall come confirms the covenant for 7 years.

Jesus spoke those words of Matthew 26:27-28 at the last supper he had with the disciples on the eve of his crucifixion.

So what you are talking about has no connection with confirming the covenant for 7 years.

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The error you are making is thinking that the New Covenant in Christ is the covenant in Daniel 9:27. And not acknowledging that Moses had made a requirement to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

And that the 7 years following Gog/Magog is the same 7 years before Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29, with the battle of Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20.
 
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And that the 7 years following Gog/Magog is the same 7 years before Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29, with the battle of Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20.
Conflating the Gog/Magog attack with Armageddon, is quite wrong. All of Ezekiel 38 to 39 refers to G/M.
The G/M attack must be before the final 7 years, they cannot be parallel.

Re; a new Jewish Temple; this will not happen. But after the Jewish State of Israel has gone, then the Christians will build a Temple and the glory of God will come into it. Ezekiel 43:1-4
 
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Conflating the Gog/Magog attack with Armageddon, is quite wrong. All of Ezekiel 38 to 39 refers to G/M.
The G/M attack must be before the final 7 years, they cannot be parallel.
What do you mean by "conflating"?

Ezekiel 39:17-20 = Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:1-16 is the Gog/Magog event, 7 years earlier.
 
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The prince who shall come confirms the covenant for 7 years.

The prince who shall come was Messiah the Prince, the only Individual identified as a prince in Daniel 9. He confirmed His Everlasting Covenant "with many" of the Israelites for seven years.

Jesus spoke those words of Matthew 26:27-28 at the last supper he had with the disciples on the eve of his crucifixion.

Yes, His Blood shed "for many", echoing Daniel's words.


So what you are talking about has no connection with confirming the covenant for 7 years.

One and the same covenant, an inspired prophecy and a divine fulfillment.

The error you are making is thinking that the New Covenant in Christ is the covenant in Daniel 9:27.

The error you are making is denying and rejecting Messiah's Divine Fulfillment of Daniel's Inspired Prophecy.

And not acknowledging that Moses had made a requirement to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant for 7 years in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

The word "confirm" appears in Daniel 9:27. The word "confirm" appears nowhere in the entirety of Deuteronomy 31. There is no connection between the two.

And that the 7 years following Gog/Magog is the same 7 years before Jesus's return in Ezekiel 39:21-29, with the battle of Armageddon in Ezekiel 39:17-20.

Your private interpretation by imagination.
 
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The prince who shall come was Messiah the Prince, the only Individual identified as a prince in Daniel 9. He confirmed His Everlasting Covenant "with many" of the Israelites for seven years.



Yes, His Blood shed "for many", echoing Daniel's words.




One and the same covenant, an inspired prophecy and a divine fulfillment.



The error you are making is denying and rejecting Messiah's Divine Fulfillment of Daniel's Inspired Prophecy.



The word "confirm" appears in Daniel 9:27. The word "confirm" appears nowhere in the entirety of Deuteronomy 31. There is no connection between the two.



Your private interpretation by imagination.
The 70 weeks are 70 shmitah cycles, which the 70 years of Babylonian captivity are 10 shmitah cycles that the land was to get its rest. The shmitah cycles are part of the Mt. Sinai covenant.

In Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses tied the confirming of the covenant to the shmitah cycle, the year of release. i.e. once every seven years.

The 70th week in Daniel is the 70th shmitah cycle. Christianity, founded on the New Covenant in Christ is not tied to the shmitah cycle.
 
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How long was this in Jerusalem and then went out to Gentiles? If you look to historical records and early church writing (and commentaries up until about 200 years ago) you'll notice it was 7 years that the Messianic events and news remained within Jerusalem.

The issue is - even though it wasn't understood that Jesus was in the process of fulfilling what was written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms....He was doing so from the very beginning of His ministry. See v.46? The only place it could have been written that Christ was going to rise from the dead on the 3rd day was within the ancient Hebrew Scriptures (the Old Testament).
 
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The 70th week in Daniel is the 70th shmitah cycle. Christianity, founded on the New Covenant in Christ is not tied to the shmitah cycle.
Christianity AND the 70th week of Daniel are founded on Christ, the Messiah. So....yes....Christianity is most definitely founded on the Sabbath cycle. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath rest. He brought the "covenant of peace" that biblical Israelites were hoping for.

Ezekiel 37:26
And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever.

Psalm 118:22
The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.


John 2
19Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.”20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?”21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.

Matthew 21:42
Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES"?

 
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In Deuteronomy 31:9-13, Moses tied the confirming of the covenant to the shmitah cycle, the year of release. i.e. once every seven years
In Biblical typology....the number 7 represents completion. That pattern begins in Genesis, with God's creation. We also see sequences of seven in the account of Noah:

Genesis 7:4
For seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living thing I have made.

Genesis 8:12
And Noah waited seven more days and sent out the dove again, but this time she did not return to him.

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..there's another repeating number there (40) which represents (in Bible typology) a period of time between 2 distinct epochs. In this instance, the time between the preflood and postflood eras. We also see the 40 years when the Biblical Israelites are released from Egypt.

Paul wrote that these wilderness events "were our examples" (I Corinthians 10:6), and that "they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (aion-age) have come" (v.11).
 
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The only place it could have been written that Christ was going to rise from the dead on the 3rd day was within the ancient Hebrew Scriptures (the Old Testament).
Well, it was not written in Daniel 9.
 
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Christianity AND the 70th week of Daniel are founded on Christ, the Messiah. So....yes....Christianity is most definitely founded on the Sabbath cycle. Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath rest. He brought the "covenant of peace" that biblical Israelites were hoping for.

Ezekiel 37:26
And I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary among them forever.

Psalm 118:22
The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.


John 2
19Jesus answered, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again.”20“This temple took forty-six years to build,” the Jews replied, “and You are going to raise it up in three days?”21But Jesus was speaking about the temple of His body.

Matthew 21:42
Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES"?

Why are you trying to prove to me that Jesus is the messiah?

Christianity is founded on the new covenant in Christ, not the shmitah cycle. We have no 7 year tradition in Christianity.
 
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What do you mean by "conflating"?

Ezekiel 39:17-20 = Revelation 19:17-18.

Ezekiel 39:1-16 is the Gog/Magog event, 7 years earlier.
Ezekiel 39:17-20 is about the dead G/M army. Not the dead at Armageddon.
The metaphoric description of the dead being eaten by carrion birds and beasts, applies to both wars. Obviously that won't actually happen, as there are practically no carrion eaters in the Middle East today.

However; Ezekiel 39:21-29, will happen after the G/M event. The Lord's righteous, faithful Christian people will exemplify My holiness for all the world to see, and the Lord will pour out His Spirit upon them.
Before the Return of Jesus.
 
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Well, it was not written in Daniel 9.
As Jesus explained to His disciples,

"These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me."

......not all of Messianic prophecy was in one passage. Daniel 9 is merely the timeline related to the countdown of *when* Messiah would arrive. He was right on time (and, as Christians, that should encourage us a great deal).

Daniel 9:25
Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.
Decree issued in 457 BC + 7 weeks (49 years) + 62 weeks (434 years) = 26 AD Messiah
 
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......not all of Messianic prophecy was in one passage. Daniel 9 is merely the timeline related to the countdown of *when* Messiah would arrive. He was right on time (and, as Christians, that should encourage us a great deal).
mkgal1, the point I am making is that the messiah rising from the dead on the third day is not written, nor suggested, in Daniel 9.

You are rationalizing, trying to make the covenant confirmed for 7 years to be a reference to the new covenant in Christ, instead of being the Mt. Sinai covenant.
 
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Why are you trying to prove to me that Jesus is the messiah?

Christianity is founded on the new covenant in Christ, not the shmitah cycle. We have no 7 year tradition in Christianity.
I didn't post that we have a 7 year tradition. In the old covenant there were shadows/types of what Christ fulfilled. The most accepted shadow/type is Jesus as the Passover Lamb. Passover Lambs are not part of our tradition either. He's fulfilled that.....however the shadow typology still points to Him.
 
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I didn't post that we have a 7 year tradition. In the old covenant there were shadows/types of what Christ fulfilled. The most accepted shadow/type is Jesus as the Passover Lamb. Passover Lambs are not part of our tradition either. He's fulfilled that.
In Christianity, there is a annual tradition called Good Friday - Jesus killed as the passover lamb of God, for the atonement of our sins. And another tradition called Easter Sunday - about Jesus's resurrection from the dead on the third day.
 
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mkgal1, the point I am making is that the messiah rising from the dead on the third day is not written, nor suggested, in Daniel 9.
.....and the point I'm trying to make is that Daniel 9 is not a Messianic summary - it's only the time-frame.

You are rationalizing, trying to make the covenant confirmed for 7 years to be a reference to the new covenant in Christ, instead of being the Mt. Sinai covenant.
ISTM that all you're basing your belief on is the 7 years. Creating one's own point of a passage is something that leads a person in the wrong direction. The point of Daniel 9 is to give the time-frame for the arrival of Messiah.
 
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mkgal1, the point I am making is that the messiah rising from the dead on the third day is not written, nor suggested, in Daniel 9.

You are rationalizing, trying to make the covenant confirmed for 7 years to be a reference to the new covenant in Christ, instead of being the Mt. Sinai covenant.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week."
Jesus' and His apostles ministry to the Jews alone was seven years...one week. "Confirm" means to establish the correctness of or strengthen something previously believed " This says "Covenant."

Covenant.
What covenant?

Look at Daniel 9 again...

Daniel 9:3 And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

Daniel 9:4 And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;

Note that Daniel does not say to all Israel. He says to them that love him and that keep his commandments. So again, what covenant? It's a covenant that Jesus merely strengthened. It is the covenant that He gave to Abraham.

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

How would all nations be blessed through Abraham's seed? Through Jesus the Christ. Jesus Confirmed that Covenant.

Jesus confirmed the covenant that God had already made.

That bears repeating in case anyone glossed it over.

Jesus confirmed the covenant that God had already made.

Those believers in the Old Testament believed that God would do as He promised and provide His salvation, though they knew not the name of Jesus. Those who have believed since Jesus came, believed that Jesus' death, burial and resurrection paid the price for their (our) sins. It has always been the same. God has not changed. His mercy and grace has been extended in the same way. Jesus confirmed the covenant that God had made with Abraham. In thee shall all nations be blessed. See also Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, and Luke 22:20.
 
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