Has the Holy Spirit explicitly led you to keep the Sabbath?

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Not in the Bible - in the Bible it is called "The Sabbath" and the "seventh day"
"The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord (YHWH)" EX 20:10

Many centuries later some other names were given to that day. You are conflating two different things.

Im exposing a false accusation that Sunday worship in the Christian Church was for the sun god. The Catholic Church has never supported the worship of any other god only the One true God.
 
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None of these sources teach that keeping the Saturday Sabbath is required for salvation.

They all teach that all TEN of the Ten commandments are included in the Law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant.

They all teach that you cannot be saved by anything other than the New Covenant.

None of them teach that the lost can get to heaven without the gospel -- but simply by "not taking God's name in vain" -- comply with that one commandment and then get to heaven.

You are conflating two different things.
 
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Im exposing a false accusation that Sunday worship in the Christian Church was for the sun god. The Catholic Church has never supported the worship of any other god only the One true God.

The claim has never been made that "The Catholic church demanded that Christians worship the Sun God" as some form of doctrinal statement.

But in the "Faith Explained" (a Catholic document on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II) there is a statement about practices and traditions "borrowed from paganism" at the time of Constantine. That is their own history text... not a non-catholic one.
 
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So then the church failed? The plan to plant churches was a complete failure until Ellen White came along 1800 years later?
Brother, the church prevails in the end as prophesied in the book of Revelation! Daniel told us about the period of God's holy people "oppress". God's people were "delivered" into the hands of one who spoke against the Most High and tried to change the set times and laws. The church is still recovering from the apostasy prophesied by Daniel. The Protestant movement to restore biblical truth by correcting human traditions is ongoing.

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. (Daniel 7:25 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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"if you love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"This IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
where the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of ten - is the 5th commandment Eph 6:1-2
"not the hearers of the LAW are just before God but the doers of the Law will be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13

James 2 "break one Commandment - you break them all"

Heb 4 "there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God"

Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

Amen there was no church that taught it.
 
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The claim has never been made that "The Catholic church demanded that Christians worship the Sun God" as some form of doctrinal statement.

But in the "Faith Explained" (a Catholic document on the Baltimore Catechism after Vatican II) there is a statement about practices and traditions "borrowed from paganism" at the time of Constantine. That is their own history text... not a non-catholic one.

I don’t know much about Vatican II other than it was a Roman Catholic council held long after the schism and rejected by the Catholic Church.
 
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Im exposing a false accusation that Sunday worship in the Christian Church was for the sun god. The Catholic Church has never supported the worship of any other god only the One true God.

The One true God does not change and is for a minority...a remnant will survive...overcome

The universal church worships a god who changes as his laws do...and all will worship or else...ask the inquisition

and even Israel thought they worshipped Him with a golden calf

So it’s Who we worship and how we worship Him...

Did gravity not exist prior its discovery?

Would you reject Newton as for centuries that was NOT the understanding?

430 years not knowing the Law should Isreal have rejected Him His living oracles? as well...for centuries it was NOT the way...

yet His way is Immortal both forward and back

Him His way revealed again at Sinai is from a desire for Him to be known...by His people...to know Him His IMMORTAL Way...

He changes not...
 
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I don’t know much about Vatican II other than it was a Roman Catholic council held long after the schism and rejected by the Catholic Church.

Well but for centuries it was one way

And now it is not...HOW DARE THEY...or?
 
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You are adding to the word of God. You are putting words in Jesus’ mouth that He DID NOT SAY. Jesus never said the Sabbath was for ALL MAN The Sabbath was not given to man until Moses went to mount Sinai. God rested on the 7th day. Nowhere before Mt. Sinai does the Bible say that ANYONE rested on the 7th day including Adam & Eve. As I’ve stated before there is not a shred of evidence that anyone ever kept the Sabbath before Mt. Sinai nor was there ever a commandment given before Mt. Sinai. Stop twisting God’s word to support your theology. That is a deceptive tactic that you should be ashamed of. If you can’t support your doctrines just leave it at that but don’t go putting words in Christ’s mouth making claims that He never said. Are you really that desperate that you have to resort to adding to Christ’s words to support your beliefs? That’s dishonest, it’s a lie. You want to honor God but keeping the Sabbath? That’s great but don’t turn right around and dishonor Him by adding to His words. Let the word of God say what it says and let it teach what it teaches don’t try to make it teach something you believe. The word of God has the power to bring salvation not you or I.

Wrong! Your post and claims have no truth in them but lets show why from the scriptures and let Gods Word speak as only God's Word is true and we should believe *Romans 3:4 and follow them *Acts of the Apostles 5:29 over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God which JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9.

JESUS (not me) says in Mark 2:27 [27], "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." Notice that the scripture says "man" it does not say "Jew" or "Israelite" Let's dig a little deeper by looking at the Greek word meanings.

The Greek word used here is G444 ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. So JESUS (not me) is saying that he made the Sabbath for Human beings. When JESUS made the Sabbath for Human beings he created it on the "seventh day" of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3. When God created the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creations week there was no Jew and no Israel only Adam and Eve (Human beings).

BDAG G444 MAN

ἄνθρωπος, ου, ὁ (Hom.+; loanw. in rabb.; ἡ ἄνθρωπος [Hdt. 1, 60, 5] does not appear in our lit.) ‘human being, man, person’.① a person of either sex, w. focus on participation in the human race, a human being

Note the application is to everyone, all people, a person especially in regards to σάββατον (Sabbath)

b. w. the generic art. (Wsd 2:23; 4 Macc 2:21; PsSol 5:16; Just., D. 20, 2) ὁ ἀγαθὸς ἄ. the good person, opp. ὁ πονηρὸς ἄ. the evil person Mt 12:35. οὐκ ἐπʼ ἄρτῳ ζήσεται ὁ ἄ. no one can live on bread (Dt 8:3) 4:4. κοινοῖ τὸν ἄ. defiles a person 15:11, 18; cp. Mk 7:15, 20; τὸ σάββατον (Sabbath) διὰ τὸν ἄ. ἐγένετο 2:27; τί ἦν ἐν τῷ ἀ. J 2:25; κρίνειν τὸν ἄ. 7:51; ὁ νόμος κυριεύει τοῦ ἀ. Ro 7:1; ὁ ποιήσας ἄ. everyone who does it 10:5 (Lev 18:5; 2 Esdr 19:29); κακὸν τῷ ἀ. τῷ διὰ προσκόμματος ἐσθίοντι wrong for anyone who eats w. misgivings Ro 14:20 al.

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Sorry dear friend it is you reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not teach in order to follow a tradition and teaching that is not biblical. JESUS warns us about doing this in Matthew 15:3-9.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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We’re not questioning when God sanctified the Sabbath we’re questioning whether or not the church had the authority to abolish it.

Ok please show me the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? - Ill wait...

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Seriously now, there is no scripture. Your putting man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God over the Word of God. JESUS warns us about this in Matthew 15:3-9. According to the scriptures breaking God's law is sin *1 John 3:4 and if we knowingly break anyone of them including the Sabbath we stand guilty before God of sin according to James 2:10-11.

These are God's Words not mine dear friend, do you believe them?
 
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I don’t know much about Vatican II other than it was a Roman Catholic council held long after the schism and rejected by the Catholic Church.

Vatican II is the official position of the RCC to this very day.
 
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Wrong! Your post and claims have no truth in them but lets show why from the scriptures and let Gods Word speak as only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God which JESUS warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9.

JESUS (not me) says in Mark 2:27 [27], "The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." Notice that the scripture says "man" it does not say "Jew" or "Israelite" Let's dig a little deeper by looking at the Greek word meanings.

The Greek word used here is G444 ἄνθρωπος; anthrōpos From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance ; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man. So JESUS (not me) is saying that he made the Sabbath for Human beings. When JESUS made the Sabbath for Human beings he created it on the "seventh day" of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3. When God created the Sabbath on the "seventh day" of the creations week there was no Jew and no Israel only Adam and Eve (Human beings).

BDAG G444 MAN

ἄνθρωπος, ου, ὁ (Hom.+; loanw. in rabb.; ἡ ἄνθρωπος [Hdt. 1, 60, 5] does not appear in our lit.) ‘human being, man, person’.① a person of either sex, w. focus on participation in the human race, a human being

Note the application is to everyone, all people, a person especially in regards to σάββατον (Sabbath)

b. w. the generic art. (Wsd 2:23; 4 Macc 2:21; PsSol 5:16; Just., D. 20, 2) ὁ ἀγαθὸς ἄ. the good person, opp. ὁ πονηρὸς ἄ. the evil person Mt 12:35. οὐκ ἐπʼ ἄρτῳ ζήσεται ὁ ἄ. no one can live on bread (Dt 8:3) 4:4. κοινοῖ τὸν ἄ. defiles a person 15:11, 18; cp. Mk 7:15, 20; τὸ σάββατον (Sabbath) διὰ τὸν ἄ. ἐγένετο 2:27; τί ἦν ἐν τῷ ἀ. J 2:25; κρίνειν τὸν ἄ. 7:51; ὁ νόμος κυριεύει τοῦ ἀ. Ro 7:1; ὁ ποιήσας ἄ. everyone who does it 10:5 (Lev 18:5; 2 Esdr 19:29); κακὸν τῷ ἀ. τῷ διὰ προσκόμματος ἐσθίοντι wrong for anyone who eats w. misgivings Ro 14:20 al.

.............

Sorry dear friend it is you reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not teach in order to follow a tradition and teaching that is not biblical. JESUS warns us about doing this in Matthew 15:3-9.

Hope this is helpful.

1 Corinthians 11:9...neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.

Some men reject this gift too...

Ironically they too must argue the OT laws preventing men with men ABOLISHED...
 
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Then where was the Christian church that taught that keeping the Saturday Sabbath was necessary for salvation? There was no such Christian church.

"if you love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"This IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
where the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of ten - is the 5th commandment Eph 6:1-2
"not the hearers of the LAW are just before God but the doers of the Law will be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13

James 2 "break one Commandment - you break them all"

Heb 4 "there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God"

Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

all of which you see being affirmed here -

and even the sunday groups admit this obvious Bible detail

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I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm all ten of the Ten Commandments for Christians included in the moral law of God written on the heart under the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-34.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

Amen there was no church that taught it.

What part was unclear to you at that point?
 
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Who gave the commandment for circumcision in Genesis 17 and who abolished that commandment in Acts 15? I’m here in this forum because it’s an open discussion. Unless I’m mistaken. No I don’t have any convictions from the Holy Spirit concerning the Sabbath.
Your caught up in the Mosaic "shadow laws" again. Go read Hebrews 10:1-17. Are you still making animal sacrifices again every time you sin against God and need to seek God's forgiveness? If not why not? Your mixing up the shadow laws of the old covenant with Gods' eternal law in the new that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7 and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25. Acts 15 is in regards to the question being asked "is circumcision a requirement for salvation?" from Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2, not weather God's 10 commandments are a requirement and God's standard for Christian living. That interpretation makes Paul contradict himself when he says to the Corinthian believers in 1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. Circumcision is a shadow law pointing to the operation of God of a new heart to love and walk in his commandments (see Romans 2:28-28; 1 Corinthians 7:19; Galatians 5:6; Galatians 6:15; Philippians 3:3; Colossians 2:11; Hebrews 8:10-12) as we have faith in His Word *1 John 5:4. God even shows the true purpose of circumcision from the old covenant scriptures in *Deuteronomy 10:16; Deuteronomy 30:6; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Jeremiah 31:31-34 which Paul refers to in Hebrews 8:10-12. Your mixing up the Mosaic "shadows laws" with God's eternal law (10 commandments) that give us a knowledge of what sin is and which God's 4th commandment is a part of.

May God help you as you receive his Word. Ignoring it does not make it disappear.
 
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Brother, the church prevails in the end as prophesied in the book of Revelation! Daniel told us about the period of God's holy people "oppress". God's people were "delivered" into the hands of one who spoke against the Most High and tried to change the set times and laws. The church is still recovering from the apostasy prophesied by Daniel. The Protestant movement to restore biblical truth by correcting human traditions is ongoing.

He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. (Daniel 7:25 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Sadly the Protestant movement has slowed to a crawl...some even claiming it over...

Did you know about Carlstadt? Luther's professor...went further in his reformation even taking out the church organ and smashing it claiming it a distraction fit for the circus...

Carlstadt was more iconoclastic too...Luther wrote a friend "were we to follow Carlstadt's extreme views on images we might as well keep the seventh day Sabbath"

Ironically Carlstadt DID keep the Sabbath...sadly he was NOT the hero of the reformation

he was considered too drastic and too extreme...but we could have been 500 years already Sabbath keeping...

semper reformanda...until restoration...as when we were made in His Image...
 
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Then where was the Christian church that taught that keeping the Saturday Sabbath was necessary for salvation? There was no such Christian church.
Goodness another untrue statement. God has always had a people that have kept God's 4th commandment Sabbath unbroken to this present day. If you can be shown this through both the biblical and historical records will you believe and change your mind and believe Gods Word?
 
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I’m saying that no Christian church taught that the Saturday Sabbath must be kept in order to receive salvation.

the first century Christian Church... was... a... Christian... church.

"if you love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"This IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3
"the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
where the "first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of ten - is the 5th commandment Eph 6:1-2
"not the hearers of the LAW are just before God but the doers of the Law will be JUSTIFIED" Rom 2:13

James 2 "break one Commandment - you break them all"

Heb 4 "there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God"

Is 66:23 for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

Still... none of them say that "a lost person can obtain salvation by the works of simply not taking God's name in vain"... so then you may be conflating two different topics again.
 
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None of these sources teach that keeping the Saturday Sabbath is required for salvation. Im not condemning keeping it or saying that the Catholic Church condemns it. I’m saying that no Christian church taught that the Saturday Sabbath must be kept in order to receive salvation.
This is where you seem to be a little mixed up and I pray and hope this will be helpful. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of words lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. This is why JESUS say "If you love me keep my commandments and he it is the keeps his commandments are those who love him *John 14:15; John 15:10. We do not keep God's commandments to be saved. We keep God's commandments because we love God and he has given us a new heart to believe his Word and follow what he says in fulfillment of Hebrews 8:10-12 *1 John 5:3-4. No one thing for certain though and that is those who knowingly practice sin by breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments do not enter into the kingdom of heaven because they reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing despite to the Spirit of God's grace according to the scriptures *Hebrews 10:26-31; Romans 6:23.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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So then the church failed? The plan to plant churches was a complete failure until Ellen White came along 1800 years later?

No. The Christ’s true church has not failed. I don’t believe in Ellen White, I believe in the Lord of the Sabbath, His name is Jesus, the Lord’s Christ.

Why do you keep obsessing over this women? She is just another in a long line to theologians of this world. What is so special about her in your religious philosophy?
 
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Im exposing a false accusation that Sunday worship in the Christian Church was for the sun god. The Catholic Church has never supported the worship of any other god only the One true God.

The Pharisees also claimed the same thing, that is, worship of the one God. Even the serpent Quoted some of God’s Words.

What is your point here?
 
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