When God doesn't take away your pain.

Jamdoc said:

Multiple Sclerosis
not in a wheelchair, but my walking ability is hit and miss. I can walk far enough to get around the house but more than about 50 feet? probably not a good idea, standing for longer than a few minutes.. not a good idea. Also psoriatic arthritis (similar to rheumatoid arthritis but also causes really gross looking rashes).
Most of those people got married before they were disabled.

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The couple I seen was disabled from birth. Both of them.
You still could meet someone. You should go to the Christian dating site and be truthful about your condition. You may be surprised at who may still be interested in meeting you.

lambofgod43985889 said:

Hope is the last thing that can be lost; I see hope in you finding a wife. I don't have a wife neither. Is it necessary?

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Depends on what you feel as "necessary".
Necessary to live and serve God? apparently not
Necessary to not feel like I'm missing out on something good and joyful? I feel it is, God may not agree and It's His decision, not mine. Everyone says that God will just "change my desires" from wanting a relationship with a female wife to wanting exclusively a relationship with a bearded male God, which they say is fulfilling desire for marriage, but to me sounds like a lobotomy. But it is His choice.
I certainly don't get to change His mind on it.
Frankly, even if I did get married, I'd still be missing out on having my own children, as I'm 40 now, and as much as I doubt that I could be desirable to ANYONE, I even more strongly doubt I could be desirable to a younger woman that would want to have children with someone with hereditary diseases.
Outside of being miraculously being cured there is no option for me to have my own children, only raise someone else's.

lambofgod43985889 said:

What do?
Keep going until death? If we sons of God have to suffer, we are just half-dead walking through the narrow path. Why other believers have fancy lives, and they are such sinners like us?

I understand God is sovereign, but if we lift our voice, something can change!

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Why do you assume that chronic pain means suffering until we die? I have had three kinds of chronic physical pain for 34 years, and I'm a retired pastor. The pain began when I was at the deepest depth of my 7 years of major depression, which showed up as extreme exhaustion. God has healed my depression for almost 34 years.

Thirteen years into my time with pain, I began getting tired again. As a result, I asked God what i was getting depressed about. The clear thought came to me that it was the pain. To find out biblical examples of what happened next, look at Job 3, 7, and 10; Psalms 6, 22, 37, 88, and many other psalms; and Jeremiah's Lamentation 3.

God healed my depression from the anger that caused it with those examples that are not part of our culture, lamenting, which is complaining in true faith focused on God.

When I discovered from God that I was depressed because of the pain, I began lamenting again, this time about my pain. God doesn't cause any pain, but he does allow it in our lives to teach us spiritual lessons that we need to learn.

Well, I lamented nightly before I went to bed for sixty times; I was really angry at God that he had permitted me to have pain in my life. At the end of those two months, God gave me his peace that is beyond understanding (Philippians 3:6-7) that has continued to this day to help me accept pain in my life. THE peace as my enemy became MY peace.

God has taught me many lessons through my pain, and I don't think I would give it up. But my responsibility is to control it; sometimes, God has given me unusual means to control pain, and other times he uses medical means.

Childofgodharrison said:

The couple I seen was disabled from birth. Both of them.
You still could meet someone. You should go to the Christian dating site and be truthful about your condition. You may be surprised at who may still be interested in meeting you.

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I have a question for you. Do you have any unresolved forgiveness in your life. Is there someone you need to forgive. If you do you need to forgive them. The devil uses unforgiveness, anger, envy, jealousy and other things to come into your life and afflict you with different kinds of oppressions. You know God heals. You can be healed. As for getting a wife, you know this is a bad time with the pandemic. I believe this is the end time. Though you still could get married. I will pray for you.

Childofgodharrison said:

I have a question for you. Do you have any unresolved forgiveness in your life. Is there someone you need to forgive. If you do you need to forgive them. The devil uses unforgiveness, anger, envy, jealousy and other things to come into your life and afflict you with different kinds of oppressions. You know God heals. You can be healed. As for getting a wife, you know this is a bad time with the pandemic. I believe this is the end time. Though you still could get married. I will pray for you.

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Not to my knowledge, when I get angry with others It's usually over with quickly, I don't tend to hold grudges against other people. I may say some things in the heat of the moment that I regret pretty quickly and I can't hold a grudge when I'm the one who feels a need to be forgiven of course I have to forgive them.
Unless you mean I have to forgive them face to face, well there's one person that that is impossible to do, my father because he's dead. I could only forgive him by praying to my Heavenly Father to express to Him that I do forgive my father. But at the same time I was also not angry to his face either. My mother divorced him while he was in prison and the last time we as children saw him, it was on good terms.
But I did get angry at him when I was old enough to understand what he'd done (not to me to someone else), but I've let that go. I actually pity him now because I do not think he knew the Lord. When I was young I remember him trying to explain yin and yang to me, eastern philosophies and religions he'd picked up in Vietnam I think.
How can you still be mad at someone when as far as you know, they're in torment, forever. No matter what they've done I don't want that on anyone.
I've prayed that somehow, he found mercy in Christ.

as for being married? I gave up on this life, this body, and this world, over a year ago. I set my sights forward and above as my only hopes, not for any measure of happiness on earth.
It's just that knowing that, I do feel like I miss out on something that could have been joyous. I accept that, but it still makes me sad.

Jamdoc said:

Not to my knowledge, when I get angry with others It's usually over with quickly, I don't tend to hold grudges against other people. I may say some things in the heat of the moment that I regret pretty quickly and I can't hold a grudge when I'm the one who feels a need to be forgiven of course I have to forgive them.
Unless you mean I have to forgive them face to face, well there's one person that that is impossible to do, my father because he's dead. I could only forgive him by praying to my Heavenly Father to express to Him that I do forgive my father. But at the same time I was also not angry to his face either. My mother divorced him while he was in prison and the last time we as children saw him, it was on good terms.
But I did get angry at him when I was old enough to understand what he'd done (not to me to someone else), but I've let that go. I actually pity him now because I do not think he knew the Lord. When I was young I remember him trying to explain yin and yang to me, eastern philosophies and religions he'd picked up in Vietnam I think.
How can you still be mad at someone when as far as you know, they're in torment, forever. No matter what they've done I don't want that on anyone.
I've prayed that somehow, he found mercy in Christ.

as for being married? I gave up on this life, this body, and this world, over a year ago. I set my sights forward and above as my only hopes, not for any measure of happiness on earth.
It's just that knowing that, I do feel like I miss out on something that could have been joyous. I accept that, but it still makes me sad.

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Since your father has died you have done right by forgiving him. If God is willing he will heal you. I will pray for you. Then you can be a testimony that God still heals.

lambofgod43985889 said:

What do?
Keep going until death? If we sons of God have to suffer, we are just half-dead walking through the narrow path. Why other believers have fancy lives, and they are such sinners like us?

I understand God is sovereign, but if we lift our voice, something can change!

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You are saying that lifting voice to Sovereign God, something can change ! Well, do Sovereign God hear your voice? If He doesn’t hear, you cannot expect anything to change! Will you ?

This is what we have heard:
Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; -Isaiah 59:1
but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he DOES NOT HEAR. -Isaiah 59:2

I don’t know why you are considering those who are sons of God, that they are just half dead walking the narrow path.

First of all, all those who are considered sons of God are led by the Spirit of God; they do suffer with Christ, in order to be glorified with Christ; as they walk in the narrow path that the Spirit of the Lord lead. They are not walking half dead but they do put to death the practices of the body ; for they live by the Spirit.

If you consider those fancy lives, those who set their minds on the things of the earth NOT on the things of the Spirit or the things that are from above.

If you don’t want to have a cursed life, consider what the Lord God have said in Jeremiah 17:5-8.

If you are considering economic success, first consider what apostles have admonished in 1 Timothy 6:9-18. Then delight yourself in the Lord, as we have heard:

Trust in the LORD, and do good; dwell in the land and befriend faithfulness. -Psalms 37:3
Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart. -Psalms 37:4

Jamdoc said:

It's an extremely good question and I wonder the same thing. Some people claim that suffering makes us better people but from my own experience, it has made me pessimistic and bitter, and given me massive FOMO because of things that can only be done in this earthly life that I'm unable to do in my current body.
The way I feel about it, is that I'd love God more if He did heal me and bless me with those things, that alleviated my FOMO because I wouldn't miss out on these things, and I'd have more to be thankful to Him for, for things that happen to myself rather than only being able to thank Him for the same things over and over because nothing else positive ever happens for me and I end up having to thank Him for things that happen to other people instead even as I suffer and hence comes bitterness because I never have anything to new to thank Him for that happens to me.
It'd make more sense that I glorify God more, and love Him more, if I'm more satisfied in the work He does in me, and more thankful to Him.
But in suffering, it's hard to find positive.

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I think you miss what the apostles have said in regard to suffering for Christ’s sake.

This is what we have heard:
and if children, then heirs'heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we SUFFER WITH HIM in order that we may also be GLORIFIED WITH HIM. -Romans 8:17

lambofgod43985889 said:

was Job guilty before God's eyes? Was the blind man that was blind since birth just to glorify God, was he guilty?

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Job was guilty because of his self righteousness, but he repented and find grace in God’s sight. However, those who insist on their self righteousness.; they are in danger of God’s wrath.

we are told to lead our life according to the righteousness that comes from God, that is, righteousness through faith in union with Christ Jesus. Those who are not in union with Christ Jesus; they are in danger of judgement.

In regards to your question:
Was the blind man that was blind since birth just to glorify God, was he guilty?

Are we not all spiritually blind from natural birth and guilty? because from natural birth we have not seen the good news of Christ Jesus and now that we see because the Lord’s light has shone in our hearts, that is, the light of the glory of God in the face of our Lord Jesus Christ.

As we have heard:
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” HAS SHONE IN OUR HEARTS to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.-2 Corinthians 4:6

My question: do you believe that you are blind spiritually from natural birth or do you believe that from natural birth, you already can see the light of the glory of God ?

As we have heard:
In their case the god of this world has BLINDED the minds of the UNBELIEVERS, to keep them from SEEING the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. -2 Corinthians 4:4

lambofgod43985889 said:

was Job guilty before God's eyes? Was the blind man that was blind since birth just to glorify God, was he guilty?

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Job was guilty because of his self righteousness, but he repented and find grace in God’s sight. However, those who insist on their self righteousness.; they are in danger of God’s wrath.

we are told to lead our life according to the righteousness that comes from God, that is, righteousness through faith in union with Christ Jesus. Those who are not in union with Christ Jesus; they are in danger of judgement.

In regards to your question:
Was the blind man that was blind since birth just to glorify God, was he guilty?

Are we not all spiritually blind from natural birth and guilty? because from natural birth we have not seen the good news of Christ Jesus and now that we see because the Lord’s light has shone in our hearts, that is, the light of the glory of God in the face of our Lord Jesus Christ.

As we have heard:
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” HAS SHONE IN OUR HEARTS to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.-2 Corinthians 4:6

My question: do you believe that you are blind spiritually from natural birth or do you believe that from natural birth, you already can see the light of the glory of God ?

As we have heard:
In their case the god of this world has BLINDED the minds of the UNBELIEVERS, to keep them from SEEING the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. -2 Corinthians 4:4

lambofgod43985889 said:

What do?
Keep going until death? If we sons of God have to suffer, we are just half-dead walking through the narrow path. Why other believers have fancy lives, and they are such sinners like us?

I understand God is sovereign, but if we lift our voice, something can change!

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We all experience lives in fallen bodies in a fallen world. While degrees of suffering vary, suffering is ubiquitous. The idea that we should be without suffering is a fantasy. Ultimately, relief from suffering comes through faith in God. One form of this is accepting God's wisdom as what is best for you for the long term. Being obedient to God in everything (see Mark 12:30 and do not neglect noting the repetitious use of the word "all") is difficult and costly for years, but it gets better (although it may take many years). It is how you prepare to have the best possible years later in life.

For the short-term, the only real relief available is for the person who experiences deep and genuine agape love by others (people sacrificing what they want/need for what you want/need). And the best way to bring that about is to sacrifice what you need/want to help others have what they need/want (as a way of life). This will probably also increase your perception of God's love for you, which is powerful comfort against pain.

“If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26-27, 1984 NIV)

The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. (John 12:25, 1984 NIV)

lambofgod43985889 said:

What do?
Keep going until death? If we sons of God have to suffer, we are just half-dead walking through the narrow path. Why other believers have fancy lives, and they are such sinners like us?

I understand God is sovereign, but if we lift our voice, something can change!

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God helps those who help themselves in the same way he destroys those who destroy the Earth.

lambofgod43985889 said:

But why do you post this to me? I have faith and Jesus carried my faults.

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Because the title of this thread is "When God doesn't take away your pain."

Anytime I face hard circumstances and they overwhelm me, the Holy spirit tells me to praise God. Today, I was again overwhelmed and He asked me to praise God. That's my advice to you, it doesn't matter what you're going through, God still wants you to praise Him for it because it is working for your good even though you don't see it, just trust Him and praise Him for it.

Jamdoc said:

Multiple Sclerosis
not in a wheelchair, but my walking ability is hit and miss. I can walk have enough to get around the house but more than about 50 feet? probably not a good idea, standing for longer than a few minutes.. not a good idea. Also psoriatic arthritis (similar to rheumatoid arthritis but also causes really gross looking rashes).
Most of those people got married before they were disabled.

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There are people like Pastor Nick, without arms and legs and some have found their mates even in their condition. Yours isn't as bad as that. God can help you get a spouse, ask him, trust him and wait patiently for him to respond with an answer for you. God bless

lambofgod43985889 said:

What about economic success

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Economic success is like a Ferris wheel; what goes up can just as well go back down If you don't keep an eye on your money.

lambofgod43985889 said:

The final solution in all the topics of my life.

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Give your whole heart to the Lord, and He will give you the desires of your heart. Don't know if this video will be of help for you, but it helped me. God bless!

SANTOSO said:

I think you miss what the apostles have said in regard to suffering for Christ’s sake.

This is what we have heard:
and if children, then heirs'heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we SUFFER WITH HIM in order that we may also be GLORIFIED WITH HIM. -Romans 8:17

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To be perfectly honest, I don't care about glory.
When I'm promised glory as what I receive in return for suffering, it doesn't even seem worth it. Glory and wealth are two things I have no real desire for.
People have different desires that is a lot of what makes us different from each other. I don't seek glory, obviously it is what God values most so I only value His glory because He values it. But for myself.. glory I value probably least of all things. You can love glory, but glory cannot love you back.
Living things are the only things that you can love, and they love you back. God, other people, animals.
Glory is simply a reason to love God for some people, He loves us, and is glorifed so that we love Him back. But because I value glory very little myself, it is not even a reason for me to love God.
Jesus was meek and humble and exhibited sacrificial love for others and that is the Jesus that I love.
If you love God because of His glory, that is fine, some people it is important that God be exalted and glorified above all things, and it would be impossible for them to love Him if He was not exalted. For me, He could have all the glory and power and honor, but without the meekness, humility, compassion, and sacrificial love, I could not love Him back.
Does that make sense?
So promising ME glory as a reward, doesn't alleviate any suffering for me.

I'll put it another way too. Islam promotes an all powerful and glorious God, Islam even promises a heaven of 72 virgins for every man.
and if you compare having 72 wives to an eternity of celibacy, on the surface, the Islam "heaven" sounds "better" if you honestly ask someone if they'd choose between 72 wives and eternal celibacy.
But Islam does not have Jesus. Well, they have a character named Isa that is supposed to represent Jesus, but that Isa was not God come in the flesh, that Isa was not here to die for our sins.
So I choose Jesus, even though it means eternal celibacy (not that I'd want 72 anyway, just one). Because the God in Christianity is a God I can love, while Allah is not. Allah is all glory and power, our God has glory and power, but also meekness, compassion, and sacrificial love.