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"Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy"

Do you get it? Jesus is the One who makes you faultless. It`s not something you did yourself.
That is God doing all the work again, what have I done other than to come believing.
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my faith in God depends not on anything I have done, otherwise my faith would be in me and what I have done, and that's not a good idea.
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Many do not realize that Paul was fighting against the heresy during that time that I have labeled as “Circumcision Salvationism.” (Which is Law Alone Salvationism without God's grace); A certain sect of Jews were trying to deceive some Christians into thinking they had to first be circumcised in order to be saved. This was a heresy that was clearly addressed at the Jerusalem council in Acts 15. Check out these three verses.

  1. Acts of the Apostles 15:1 says, “And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.”

  2. Acts of the Apostles 15:5 says, But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”

  3. Acts of the Apostles 15:24 says, “Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:”

Paul also addressed this problem; Paul said to the Galatians that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing (Galatians 5:2), and then Paul mentions how if you seek to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4). This "law" is the Torah because circumcision is not a part of the commands given to us by Jesus and His followers. So if a person thought they had to be first circumcised, they would be making the Law of Moses or Law Alone the basis of their salvation, and it would not be faith in Jesus Christ. Anyways, here is a list of verses of Paul alluding to the problem of the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism.

  1. Galatians 2:3 says, “But neither Titus, who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:”

  2. Galatians 5:2 says, “Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.”

  3. Galatians 5:6 says, “For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.”

  4. Galatians 6:15 (NLT) says, “It doesn't matter whether we have been circumcised or not. What counts is whether we have been transformed into a new creation.”

  5. 1 Corinthians 7:18-19 says, 18 For instance, a man who was circumcised before he became a believer should not try to reverse it. And the man who was uncircumcised when he became a believer should not be circumcised now. (NLT) 19 “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is the keeping of the commandments of God.” (NASB)

  6. Romans 2:28-29 says, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

  7. Romans 3:1 says, “What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?”

  8. Romans 4:9-12 says, ”9 “Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.”

This is why many do not understand Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:3-5, and Titus 3:5. Paul attacked one wrong extreme (Which was Works Alone Salvationism (without God's grace) via by Circumcision Salvationionism). James attacked another wrong extreme, which was Belief Alone-ism.
 
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Believers are initially and foundationally saved by God's grace (i.e. Jesus Christ). It is why a person who comes to Jesus for the first time can have an assurance of salvation (Without doing any kind of work). Initial and ultimate salvation is a gift from God (Ephesians 2:8-9). We are not ultimately saved by works of righteousness we have done alone without God's mercy (Titus 3:5). For even if a believer were to stumble into sin, do they get clean by doing another work? No. They get clean by confessing their sins to Jesus (1 John 2:1) (1 John 1:9) and they ask Jesus to help them to overcome their sin (or to forsake it) (Matthew 26:41) (Romans 13:14) (John 15:5).

But make no mistake, Scripture is also abundantly clear in that it teaches we are saved by the "work of faith" (1 Thessalonians 1:3) (2 Thessalonians 1:11) after we are saved by God's grace, too. For James says he will show his faith by his works (James 2:18).

However, please understand that these works are not something we can boast in like in Ephesians 2:9 (which are man directed works). These are the works are the works of God done through the believer (Philippians 2:13). For we are created unto Christ Jesus for good works [i.e. God directed works] (Ephesians 2:10). For Jesus says we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5).

Here is a short list I came up with in the Bible on works (Sanctification) as a part of God's plan of salvation.

  1. We are justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24).

  2. Faith without works is dead (James 2:17).

  3. A person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16).

  4. Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God, and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28).

  5. Those who have done good, shall come forth unto the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, shall come forth unto the resurrection of damnation (John 5:29).

  6. We have to continue in His goodness, otherwise we can be cut off [just like the Jews were cut off] (Romans 11:21-22).

  7. Helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to inheriting the Kingdom (Matthew 25:34-40), and not helping the poor, and the unfortunate relates to going away into everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:41-46).

  8. Whoever does not righteousness or does not love his brother is not of God (1 John 3:10).

  9. Whoever does what Jesus says is likened unto a wise man who built his house upon the rock, and when a storm came, it did not fall, (Matthew 7:24-25), but the person who does not do what Jesus says is likened unto a fool who built his house upon the sand, and when a storm came, great was the fall of that house (Matthew 7:26-27).

  10. Abiding in Jesus will bear much fruit, but if a person does not abide in Jesus [thereby being unfruitful], they are cast out [or cut off] like a branch to be burned in the fire (John 15:5-6).

  11. If the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing (1 Peter 4:18-19).

  12. Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14) (NKJV).

Anyways, do not take my word for it, but check out these verses for yourself, and you will discover that they mean what they say plainly. Only popular Christianity teaches that we are saved by a belief alone in Jesus.
I was saved as a child without doing any of those things.

The only thing I did was to give myself unreservedly to the Lord for His will and purpose in His service.

When the pastor dedicated me to the Lord as a baby, we do not do christenings, my parents gave me back to the Lord in the same way Hannah gave Samuel to the Lord. Now I think about it, that was a most wonderful thing to do, and the Lord has kept me safe all these 76 years. (Thank you Lord.)
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I was saved as a child without doing any of those things.

The only thing I did was to give myself unreservedly to the Lord for His will and purpose in His service.
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When I read the Scriptures, I see 4 different aspects of salvation described. We have been saved saved (past tense), we are being saved (present tense), and we will be saved (future tense).

#1. Provisional Atonement (not "Limited Atonement").
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
This is Jesus paying the price for the sins of the entire world so as to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it); Note: Christ's resurrection (to give us a new body not tainted by sin one day), and the ascension to the Father (after Christ telling Mary not to touch Him), and his entering the holy temple by his blood (to be our Heavenly High Priest) is also included in the Provisional Atonement, too. (For Provisional Atonement verses, see: John 1:29, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:6-8.).

#2. Justification (Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).
Justification is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Justification is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Justification will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For Justification verses, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#3. Sanctification (The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
Sanctification is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

#4. Glorification (The Future Salvation of the Truly Faithful Believer).
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
Glorification is when God takes the believer home to be with Him in His kingdom and He gives Him a new resurrected body that is not tainted by sin. This process of salvation (in being taken home) is a by product automatically for those believers who properly applied Justification and Sanctification to their lives (For Glorification verses, see: 1 Peter 5:4, 1 Peter 1:4, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Romans 13:11, Philippians 3:20-21, Hebrews 9:28).


Conclusion:

Justification, and then Sanctification is what we as believers need to be focused on. For if we are justified, and sanctified (which is only made possible by the Provisional Atonement), then we will be glorified.
 
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I was saved as a child without doing any of those things.

The only thing I did was to give myself unreservedly to the Lord for His will and purpose in His service.

When the pastor dedicated me to the Lord as a baby, we do not do christenings, my parents gave me back to the Lord in the same way Hannah gave Samuel to the Lord.
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We are we told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling in Philippians 2:12 if it was that easy? Why does Jesus say to strive to enter the narrow gate in Luke 13:24 if it was that easy? We are told to fight the good fight of faith, and lay hold on eternal life (1 Timothy 6:12). We are told to keep the faith. We are told to keep ourselves in the love of God. The love of God is to keep His commandments. Can we not have the love of God and also be saved? Paul says if any man does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed.
 
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That is God doing all the work again, what have I done other than to come believing.
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You have to repent, You have to believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, You have to confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Christ

At a moment of God`s choosing the Spirit of Christ will come upon you, that is when you change and become a new creature.

From time to time you renew and regenerate in the Holy Spirit, Paul said "I die daily" meaning he dies out to the flesh daily in order to cooperate with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will lead you into doing the works He has ordained for you.

Is somebody makes mistakes. God will deal with them as a Father scolding and whipping them. Sin always has destructive consequences especially for a believer that is getting set straight by the power of God.
 
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When I read the Scriptures, I see 4 different aspects of salvation described. We have been saved saved (past tense), we are being saved (present tense), and we will be saved (future tense).

#1. Provisional Atonement (not "Limited Atonement").
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
This is Jesus paying the price for the sins of the entire world so as to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it); Note: Christ's resurrection (to give us a new body not tainted by sin one day), and the ascension to the Father (after Christ telling Mary not to touch Him), and his entering the holy temple by his blood (to be our Heavenly High Priest) is also included in the Provisional Atonement, too. (For Provisional Atonement verses, see: John 1:29, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:6-8.).

#2. Justification (Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).
Justification is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Justification is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Justification will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For Justification verses, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#3. Sanctification (The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
Sanctification is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

#4. Glorification (The Future Salvation of the Truly Faithful Believer).
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
Glorification is when God takes the believer home to be with Him in His kingdom and He gives Him a new resurrected body that is not tainted by sin. This process of salvation (in being taken home) is a by product automatically for those believers who properly applied Justification and Sanctification to their lives (For Glorification verses, see: 1 Peter 5:4, 1 Peter 1:4, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Romans 13:11, Philippians 3:20-21, Hebrews 9:28).


Conclusion:

Justification, and then Sanctification is what we as believers need to be focused on. For if we are justified, and sanctified (which is only made possible by the Provisional Atonement), then we will be glorified.

Sometimes Eternal Security Proponents will misquote Scripture and they will confuse Provisional Atonement verses with Justification verses. Sure, they are related, but they are also different, too.
 
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When I read the Scriptures, I see 4 different aspects of salvation described. We have been saved saved (past tense), we are being saved (present tense), and we will be saved (future tense).

#1. Provisional Atonement (not "Limited Atonement").
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
This is Jesus paying the price for the sins of the entire world so as to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it); Note: Christ's resurrection (to give us a new body not tainted by sin one day), and the ascension to the Father (after Christ telling Mary not to touch Him), and his entering the holy temple by his blood (to be our Heavenly High Priest) is also included in the Provisional Atonement, too. (For Provisional Atonement verses, see: John 1:29, 1 John 2:2, 1 Timothy 2:6, 2 Corinthians 5:19, Romans 5:6-8.).

#2. Justification (Initial Salvation, and or Foundational Salvation).
(The 1st synergistic work of GOD done in a believer).
Justification is the entrance gate to salvation, and it is the foundation of our salvation (by faith) upon which we stand. Justification is believing the gospel (Which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes it - Romans 1:16). According to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4: The gospel is you believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins, He was buried, and He had risen again three days later for your salvation (Note: Do not let anyone sell you on another gospel besides this one). Depending on a person’s access or exposure to the Word: Justification will also generally include receiving Jesus as your Savior (John 1:12), and calling upon the name of the Lord (i.e. confessing with your mouth the words: “Lord Jesus” or similar equivalent - Romans 10:9) as a part of seeking forgiveness of your sins with Him by way of prayer (Romans 10:13) (Luke 15:18-21) (Luke 18:9-14). This process of salvation is without the deeds of the Law or works because it is based upon God’s mercy and grace and His redemptive work. As a result: One is born again spiritually (Note: Born again by the Spirit, and born again by water (i.e. the Scriptures - Romans 10:17, 1 Peter 1:23)). A person is foundationally or ultimately saved by God’s grace because if they happen to sin on rare occasion in their Christian walk, they do not do a good work to absolve that sin, but they confess of their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of that sin (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1) (Hebrews 4:16) (For Justification verses, see: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 4:1-6, Titus 3:4-7, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, Luke 18:9-14, Romans 5:1-2).

#3. Sanctification (The Next Step or Phase in the Salvation Process).
(The 2nd synergistic work of God done in a believer).
Sanctification is the next step or phase in Salvation for a believer who lives out their faith; This is the work of God moving in a believer's life so as to help them to live holy, and to do good works and to put away the lusts of the flesh. These good works are the works of God done through the believer, and so all boasting or praise is given to the Lord. Therefore, there is no boasting in one's own work because they are ultimately the works of God done through the believer. A believer today who obeys the Lord looks to the commands of Jesus and His followers within the New Testament primarily. For believers today are not under the 613 Laws of Moses as a whole package deal (even though certain laws have carried over into the New Testament). Basically all ceremonial laws and judicial laws in the Old Testament no longer apply. For example: Believers do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, dietary laws, animal sacrifices, holy days, etc.; However, believers must keep God's Moral Laws like: Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, do not lie, do commit adultery, etc.; Two of the greatest commands that we should focus on daily is to love God and love our neighbor which is more fully described in Mark 12:29-31. We need to worship or adore the Lord our God, preach the gospel, help the poor, love the brethren, love our enemies, and live holy lives, etc. (For Sanctification verses, see: James 2:24, James 2:17-18, Titus 1:16, Hebrews 5:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Hebrews 12:14, Romans 8:1 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 16:22, Romans 8:13, etc.).

#4. Glorification (The Future Salvation of the Truly Faithful Believer).
(A 100% Work of God alone that can only be applied personally to an individual's life via by Justification and Sanctification).
Glorification is when God takes the believer home to be with Him in His kingdom and He gives Him a new resurrected body that is not tainted by sin. This process of salvation (in being taken home) is a by product automatically for those believers who properly applied Justification and Sanctification to their lives (For Glorification verses, see: 1 Peter 5:4, 1 Peter 1:4, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Romans 13:11, Philippians 3:20-21, Hebrews 9:28).


Conclusion:

Justification, and then Sanctification is what we as believers need to be focused on. For if we are justified, and sanctified (which is only made possible by the Provisional Atonement), then we will be glorified.
Thank you for all that, but it doesn't mean anything to me. I'm what you might call a practicing Christian by practicing what I preach based on the Sermon on the Mount.
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You have to repent, You have to believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, You have to confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Christ

At a moment of God`s choosing the Spirit of Christ will come upon you, that is when you change and become a new creature.

From time to time you renew and regenerate in the Holy Spirit, Paul said "I die daily" meaning he dies out to the flesh daily in order to cooperate with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will lead you into doing the works He has ordained for you.

Is somebody makes mistakes. God will deal with them as a Father scolding and whipping them. Sin always has destructive consequences especially for a believer that is getting set straight by the power of God.

But in Calvinism, they should not have to do anything. God will change them to repent, and do His will. So basically it is encouraging apathy and or laziness.
 
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We are we told to work out our salvation with fear and trembling in Philippians 2:12 if it was that easy? Why does Jesus say to strive to enter the narrow gate in Luke 13:24 if it was that easy? We are told to fight the good fight of faith, and lay hold on eternal life (1 Timothy 6:12). We are told to keep the faith. We are told to keep ourselves in the love of God. The love of God is to keep His commandments. Can we not have the love of God and also be saved? Paul says if any man does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed.
It is easy, I simply put my trust in Jesus and live by Proverbs 3:5-7 given to me when I was baptised.
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
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Thank you for all that, but it doesn't mean anything to me. I'm what you might call a practicing Christian by practicing what I preach based on the Sermon on the Mount.
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I wanted to describe to you that there is a certain kind of work involved in regards to salvation. It's not man directed works alone salvation, but it is God directed works done through the believer after they are saved by God's grace. When Paul says we are saved by God's grace and not by works in Ephesians 2:8-9, he was referring to the works of the Law of Moses, and he was referring to Works Alone Salvationism (without God's grace). Paul was not referring to the God directed work in the Sanctification process that follows after being saved by God's grace.
 
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You have to repent, You have to believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, You have to confess with your mouth that Jesus is the Christ

At a moment of God`s choosing the Spirit of Christ will come upon you, that is when you change and become a new creature.

From time to time you renew and regenerate in the Holy Spirit, Paul said "I die daily" meaning he dies out to the flesh daily in order to cooperate with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will lead you into doing the works He has ordained for you.

Is somebody makes mistakes. God will deal with them as a Father scolding and whipping them. Sin always has destructive consequences especially for a believer that is getting set straight by the power of God.
I repented, the rest is God's doing.
 
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It is easy, I simply put my trust in Jesus and live by Proverbs 3:5-7 given to me when I was baptised.
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
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I am glad to hear that. But in reality, Jesus says that to even believe on Him is a work of God (See: John 6:29). To believe in Jesus is a commandment (1 John 3:23). Commandments are laws. So those who are against works or laws in regards to salvation do not even realize that God's grace is a work, and is a law of God.
 
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I wanted to describe to you that there is a certain kind of work involved in regards to salvation. It's not man directed works alone salvation, but it is God directed works done through the believer after they are saved by God's grace. When Paul says we are saved by God's grace and not by works in Ephesians 2:8-9, he was referring to the works of the Law of Moses, and he was referring to Works Alone Salvationism (without God's grace). Paul was not referring to the God directed work in the Sanctification process that follows after being saved by God's grace.

God did it.
 
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I am glad to hear that. But in reality, Jesus says that to even believe on Him is a work of God (See: John 6:29). To believe in Jesus is a commandment (1 John 3:23). Commandments are laws. So those who are against works or laws in regards to salvation do not even realize that God's grace is a work, and is a law of God.
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (John 6:29)

I did that. It is basic Christianity without works.

Clarke comments:
This is the work of God, that ye believe - There is nothing you can be employed in more acceptable to God than in yielding to the evidence set before you, and acknowledging me as your Messiah and the Savior of a lost world.John 6:29
 
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Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. (John 6:29)

I did that. It is basic Christianity without works.

Clarke comments:
This is the work of God, that ye believe - There is nothing you can be employed in more acceptable to God than in yielding to the evidence set before you, and acknowledging me as your Messiah and the Savior of a lost world.John 6:29

To believe in Jesus is called the work of God. This is God's grace. I believe we are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ without the deeds of the Law. That is the 1st aspect of salvation and it is foundational to our faith. But we need to obey God's commands and do good works as a part of His Kingdom. The unprofitable servant was cast into outer darkness (Matthew 25:30). 1 John 3:15 says everyone who hates his brother is like a murderer, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:10 says, “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother” So if we are not doing righteousness after being saved by God's grace, then we are not of God. If we are not of God, we are not saved. It's that simple. So works is involved as a part of God's plan of salvation. Titus 1:16 says there are those who deny God by their lack of works. This of course is the work of God done through the believer. God lives in the believer and He moves to do good through them.

Works gets a dirty name in popular Christianity.
Most Christians today do not understand Ephesians 2:8-9.
Paul is condemning Man Directed Works and Works ALONE Salvationism via by the Law of Moses and he is not condeming any work of God done through the believer after a person is saved by God's grace. Ephesians 2:9 is Man Directed Works without God's grace. Ephesians 2:10 is God directed works done through the believer after being saved by God's grace.
 
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