The church must be catholic!

ViaCrucis said:

Should I buy you a dodgeball? I only ask because you are certainly doing a lot of dodging. Why won't you take responsibility for your words?

-CryptoLutheran

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Words from a quote from the Bible? Do you not see the difference between my words and a quote? I can not take credit for anything that is written in the Bible.

imge said:

What? That's ridiculous and you know it. I already quoted Gods definition of how we show Him love. We should absolutely love God with all our heart, mind and soul and in showing Him our love with all our heart, mind and soul is to obey Him, not disobey!

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Of course it's ridiculous, but you're the one who said that the 603 commandments outside of the Decalogue were only ceremonial and not applicable any more.

So I'm simply going by what YOU said.

-CryptoLutheran

imge said:

Words from a quote from the Bible? Do you not see the difference between my words and a quote? I can not take credit for anything that is written in the Bible.

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Still dodging.

-CryptoLutheran

imge said:

Why change God's commandments?

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Who is doing that?

There are 10 and the Sabbath commandant is God's 4th not third.

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1) "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above,, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love Me and keep My commandments." - Exodus 20:2-6

2) "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain." - Exodus 20:7

3) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy." - Exodus 20:8-11

I think the Catholic church eliminated one of Gods commandments.

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That's a lie people tell because they can't be bothered to actually learn something.

The Western Church, since the days of St. Augustine, have used St. Augustine's numbering of the Decalogue. This is the numbering I present above, which is used by Catholics, Lutherans, and Anglicans.

What you are familiar with is the re-numbering of the Decalogue which John Calvin did. Calvin split the first commandment into two commandments, and then in order to keep the number at 10, joined together the 9th and 10th (do not covet your neighbor's wife and do not covet your neighbor's goods repectively) commandments as a single commandment.

No commandments were removed, no commandments were added.

The Jews order the commandments different than both Augustine and the Reformed Protestants, and the Eastern Orthodox still order them another way, and Philo of Alexandria still ordered them another way.

If you won't take my word for it, you can very easily look this up for yourself. A simple Google search is all you'd need to do.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

The use of "Roman", at least within Catholicism itself, refers to the Roman or Latin Rite, distinct from other historic western rites such as the Mozarabic Rite, the African Rite, or the Celtic Rite; generally speaking the Latin or Roman Rite is what most think of when they think of Catholicism. However Eastern Rite Catholics, such as Byzantine Rite and Maronite Rite are still Catholics.

That is, it is "Roman" because the Roman See is considered the highest seat of ecclesiastical authority, with the bishop of Rome viewed as the temporal head of Christ's Church.

-CryptoLutheran

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Roman is because it was the Patriarchate of Rome. And the Roman pope is head of the Roman church, that is all. The Roman pope is NOT "considered the highest seat of ecclesiastical authority, with the bishop of Rome viewed as the temporal head of Christ's Church". The Eastern Orthodox Catholics do not submit to the Roman pope...

imge said:

All I did was quote, if you take issue with it, than perhaps look at the source of the quotes.

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Eastern Orthodox Catholics are NOT Roman Catholics. We do NOT follow the Roman pope.

imge said:

In addition, the Catholic church also changed Gods 10 commandments which I already provided the differences. While this church seems to think it has the authority to change the laws of God, its not what the Bible teaches. The title of this thread is the church must be catholic. The church should be the one who follows the Bible as it was purely written and not changed by man.

God Bless

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Please stop using the term "Catholic church" when what you mean is the ROMAN Catholic Church.

bbbbbbb said:

What about the other 612 commandments in the Old Testament. I know that you do not obey most of them, nor can you because they were given to God's old covenant people, Israel, and not to the Gentiles.

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No one can keep all "613" and never could...especially now with no Temple...

bbbbbbb said:

Excellent! Thus, none of the sabbath commandments are for you or any other Christian, aside from the rather vague fourth commandment. Also, homosexuality, incest and inappropriate behavior with animals is perfectly acceptable behavior because they are not mentioned in your selection of ten commandments.

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What about the Noahide laws?

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The official position of the Catholic Church is that Saturday remains the Sabbath. That is why attending Mass on Saturday is considered as fulfilling the member's Sunday worship obligation.

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And just exactly where is this Sunday worship obligation mentioned anywhere in the scriptures as an obligation instead of God's 7th day Sabbath?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Roman is because it was the Patriarchate of Rome. And the Roman pope is head of the Roman church, that is all. The Roman pope is NOT "considered the highest seat of ecclesiastical authority, with the bishop of Rome viewed as the temporal head of Christ's Church". The Eastern Orthodox Catholics do not submit to the Roman pope...

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I'm pretty sure that's what I said.

-CryptoLutheran

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

No one can keep all "613" and never could...especially now with no Temple...

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No---those are the "laws contained in ordinances" that were done away with at the cross. Anything that involves blood sacrifice was done away with. Jesus is now the Sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest so He shed His blood once for all so priests are also no longer needed, we go directly to God for forgiveness.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

He does not need to shed blood ever again---ONCE

mmksparbud said:

And just exactly where is this Sunday worship obligation mentioned anywhere in the scriptures as an obligation instead of God's 7th day Sabbath?

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There isn't one. The obligation is to gather together for worship (Hebrews 10:25). The primary day on which Christians gather for worship is the first day of the week. So in Catholic practice the chief weekly Mass is held on the first day of the week, but if one can't make it to the Sunday Mass, one can attend a Saturday Mass or another Mass that is held throughout the week. As, historically, church attendance hasn't been exclusively weekly, but daily. Catholic practice is that meeting at least once a week is, under ordinary circumstances, obligatory for Catholics, as Scripture teaches us not to forsake the assembling together for worship.

So attending a Saturday Mass is entirely valid for meeting this obligation.

There is no biblical teaching to worship on any specific day of the week, only that we do gather together for worship. And so throughout history worship has often been daily, not just weekly. But there has always been a special importance placed on the Lord's Day, for reasons that are entirely obvious.

There is no Sabbath obligation for Christians.

-CryptoLutheran

imge said:

Am I wrong in thinking that in your mind Christianity is simply about engaging in nineteenth-century American religious practices on Saturdays and, secondarily, keeping only nine other commandments God gave to His chosen people, Israel, in the Old Testament?

Well its not really a question you made a statement that is inaccurate- Gods commandments are not only for Israel. Everyone has the opportunity to be saved, not just Jews, so that is rather silly. If the question you are trying to ask if I think keeping Gods commandments is my view of Christianity than my answer is no. There is a lot to being a Christian and a big part of that is keeping the commandments of God. It's how we know Him 1 John 2:3,4 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jesus said
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And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

He did not say The Sabbath was made for Jews, man =all.

So now will you answer my question- is it okay to lie, murder, vain His name? If no, than why not?

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Thank you. Other than the Ten Commandments, what other Old Testament commandments do you believe that Christians are required to obey?

ViaCrucis said:

There isn't one. The obligation is to gather together for worship (Hebrews 10:25). The primary day on which Christians gather for worship is the first day of the week. So in Catholic practice the chief weekly Mass is held on the first day of the week, but if one can't make it to the Sunday Mass, one can attend a Saturday Mass or another Mass that is held throughout the week. As, historically, church attendance hasn't been exclusively weekly, but daily. Catholic practice is that meeting at least once a week is, under ordinary circumstances, obligatory for Catholics, as Scripture teaches us not to forsake the assembling together for worship.

So attending a Saturday Mass is entirely valid for meeting this obligation.

There is no biblical teaching to worship on any specific day of the week, only that we do gather together for worship. And so throughout history worship has often been daily, not just weekly. But there has always been a special importance placed on the Lord's Day, for reasons that are entirely obvious.

There is no Sabbath obligation for Christians.

-CryptoLutheran

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No---the primary day of Worship always has been and always will be the 7th day of the week. It is mandated by God, written in His own hand by His own finger and unless HE does so---can not be altered in any way no matter what man may think He is God on earth! God has not died and left anyone in His place---God is from everlasting to everlasting He does not change and His day has not altered and there is no other obligation---Period!! What man decides matters not---it is what God says that matters. The 10 were written by God on stone and placed inside the ark of God which is His very throne of grace--permanent. The Laws of Moses were dictated by God, written by Moses on parchment and placed outside the ark---temporary. The Sabbath obligation stands and will stand in the new earth so get used to it now!

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

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No---those are the "laws contained in ordinances" that were done away with at the cross. Anything that involves blood sacrifice was done away with. Jesus is now the Sacrificial Lamb and our High Priest so He shed His blood once for all so priests are also no longer needed, we go directly to God for forgiveness.

Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Eph 2:21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
Eph 2:22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

He does not need to shed blood ever again---ONCE

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And the Sabbath is part of that "law of commandments contained in ordinances". You don't get to have it both ways, either the Old Covenant applies to us, in its entirety, or it doesn't. And the answer to that question is very clearly spelled out in plain language throughout the writings which make up the New Testament.

Want to look to the descriptions of what Jesus and Paul did as prescriptive? Then that's everything, not just what Adventists want to pick and choose. That means that if Paul going to the synagogue on the Sabbath makes the Sabbath binding on Christians, then that also means Paul going to the Temple and offering sacrifice is also binding on Christians.

It's completely arbitrary to say that the Sabbath is still obligatory, but the other commandments aren't.

The claim that the Decalogue is somehow more important, or more special than the rest of God's Torah is NOT BIBLICAL, it is an ad hoc justification that is without any biblical foundation.

No where does the Bible teach that the Decalogue is more important than the rest of the 603 commandments. No where does the Bible make a distinction between the ten commandments and the rest of the 603 commandments given to Israel. No where does the Bible make a distinction of "ceremonial law", there is only the Torah. No where does the Bible make the fact that ten of the 613 commandments were written on stone makes them more important than the rest. When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus doesn't quote from any of the ten commandments, instead Jesus quotes two of the other 603 commandments, the love of God and the love of our neighbor. Jesus never commands that His Church observe the Sabbath. None of the Apostles taught that Christians were to observe the Sabbath. In fact the Apostles say just the opposite, they say that Christians are not obligated to observe the Sabbath, and that the Sabbath was a shadow of what was to come: Jesus Christ. The Apostles taught that the Torah was a school teacher pointing the way to Jesus Christ. And so on and so forth and on and on.

Every argument put forward to support Sabbath-keeping is built on lies, false doctrines, the total ignoring of Scripture, arbitrary and baseless claims, pure fabrication, and taking Scripture entirely and completely out of context.

You read in Ephesians "commandments contained in ordinances" and you assume it does not include the Sabbath, but why?

"The Sabbath is one of the ten commandments that still stands"--but why?

"The ten commandments were written by God's finger on stone tablets"--and what does that matter?

"The Sabbath was made for man"--yes, exactly, it was never supposed to be a burden, but an opportunity to rest from labor which was built into God's covenant with the Jewish people, which prefigures the true rest that we now have in Jesus Christ, as SCRIPTURE TEACHES.

"The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath"--yes, which is why Jesus can work on the Sabbath and it is not sinful, because Christ stands ABOVE THE SABBATH AS LORD.

"Jesus said that if we love Him we'll obey His commandments"--which commandments does He mean?

"Jesus is the One who gave the ten commandments"--Jesus is God, He gave the ENTIRE TORAH, not just ten commandments, but all of the commandments of the Torah

"But the ten commandments were written on stone tablets"--see above

"Jesus said if we love Him we'll obey His commandments"--see above

"But Jesus gave the ten commandments"--see above

"But the ten commandments were written on stone tablets"

And around and around the circular reasoning goes, no answers. No biblical justification, no rational justification, no arguments at all. Just assertion, baseless, arbitrary, blind assertion.

"Ignore them; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." - Matthew 15:14

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

And the Sabbath is part of that "law of commandments contained in ordinances". You don't get to have it both ways, either the Old Covenant applies to us, in its entirety, or it doesn't. And the answer to that question is very clearly spelled out in plain language throughout the writings which make up the New Testament.

Want to look to the descriptions of what Jesus and Paul did as prescriptive? Then that's everything, not just what Adventists want to pick and choose. That means that if Paul going to the synagogue on the Sabbath makes the Sabbath binding on Christians, then that also means Paul going to the Temple and offering sacrifice is also binding on Christians.

It's completely arbitrary to say that the Sabbath is still obligatory, but the other commandments aren't.

The claim that the Decalogue is somehow more important, or more special than the rest of God's Torah is NOT BIBLICAL, it is an ad hoc justification that is without any biblical foundation.

No where does the Bible teach that the Decalogue is more important than the rest of the 603 commandments. No where does the Bible make a distinction between the ten commandments and the rest of the 603 commandments given to Israel. No where does the Bible make a distinction of "ceremonial law", there is only the Torah. No where does the Bible make the fact that ten of the 613 commandments were written on stone makes them more important than the rest. When Jesus was asked what the greatest commandment was, Jesus doesn't quote from any of the ten commandments, instead Jesus quotes two of the other 603 commandments, the love of God and the love of our neighbor. Jesus never commands that His Church observe the Sabbath. None of the Apostles taught that Christians were to observe the Sabbath. In fact the Apostles say just the opposite, they say that Christians are not obligated to observe the Sabbath, and that the Sabbath was a shadow of what was to come: Jesus Christ. The Apostles taught that the Torah was a school teacher pointing the way to Jesus Christ. And so on and so forth and on and on.

Every argument put forward to support Sabbath-keeping is built on lies, false doctrines, the total ignoring of Scripture, arbitrary and baseless claims, pure fabrication, and taking Scripture entirely and completely out of context.

You read in Ephesians "commandments contained in ordinances" and you assume it does not include the Sabbath, but why?

"The Sabbath is one of the ten commandments that still stands"--but why?

"The ten commandments were written by God's finger on stone tablets"--and what does that matter?

"The Sabbath was made for man"--yes, exactly, it was never supposed to be a burden, but an opportunity to rest from labor which was built into God's covenant with the Jewish people, which prefigures the true rest that we now have in Jesus Christ, as SCRIPTURE TEACHES.

"The Son of Man is the Lord of the Sabbath"--yes, which is why Jesus can work on the Sabbath and it is not sinful, because Christ stands ABOVE THE SABBATH AS LORD.

"Jesus said that if we love Him we'll obey His commandments"--which commandments does He mean?

"Jesus is the One who gave the ten commandments"--Jesus is God, He gave the ENTIRE TORAH, not just ten commandments, but all of the commandments of the Torah

"But the ten commandments were written on stone tablets"--see above

"Jesus said if we love Him we'll obey His commandments"--see above

"But Jesus gave the ten commandments"--see above

"But the ten commandments were written on stone tablets"

And around and around the circular reasoning goes, no answers. No biblical justification, no rational justification, no arguments at all. Just assertion, baseless, arbitrary, blind assertion.

"Ignore them; they are blind guides. And if the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit." - Matthew 15:14

-CryptoLutheran

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Wrong. God divided the 2 laws, not I. The law of God is the 10---the law of Moses are the Levitical laws and are called that in scripture.

Jos_8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Jos_8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.
Jos_23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
Jdg_4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.
1Ki_2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
2Ki_14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
2Ki_23:25 And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.
2Ch_23:18 Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the LORD by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the LORD, to offer the burnt offerings of the LORD, as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David.
2Ch_30:16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.
Ezr_3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
Ezr_7:6 This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he was a ready scribe in the law of Moses, which the LORD God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of the LORD his God upon him.
Neh_8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.
Dan_9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Dan_9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
Mal_4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

mmksparbud said:

Wrong. God divided the 2 laws, not I. The law of God is the 10---the law of Moses are the Levitical laws and are called that in scripture.

Jos_8:31 As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Jos_8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.
Jos_23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
Jdg_4:11 Now Heber the Kenite, which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites, and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.
1Ki_2:3 And keep the charge of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and his testimonies, as it is written in the law of Moses, that thou mayest prosper in all that thou doest, and whithersoever thou turnest thyself:
2Ki_14:6 But the children of the murderers he slew not: according unto that which is written in the book of the law of Moses, wherein the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children be put to death for the fathers; but every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
2Ki_23:25 And like unto him was there no king before him, that turned to the LORD with all his heart, and with all his soul, and with all his might, according to all the law of Moses; neither after him arose there any like him.
2Ch_23:18 Also Jehoiada appointed the offices of the house of the LORD by the hand of the priests the Levites, whom David had distributed in the house of the LORD, to offer the burnt offerings of the LORD, as it is written in the law of Moses, with rejoicing and with singing, as it was ordained by David.
2Ch_30:16 And they stood in their place after their manner, according to the law of Moses the man of God: the priests sprinkled the blood, which they received of the hand of the Levites.
Ezr_3:2 Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren the priests, and Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and his brethren, and builded the altar of the God of Israel, to offer burnt offerings thereon, as it is written in the law of Moses the man of God.
Ezr_7:6 This Ezra went up from Babylon; and he was a ready scribe in the law of Moses, which the LORD God of Israel had given: and the king granted him all his request, according to the hand of the LORD his God upon him.
Neh_8:1 And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.
Dan_9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
Dan_9:13 As it is written in the law of Moses, all this evil is come upon us: yet made we not our prayer before the LORD our God, that we might turn from our iniquities, and understand thy truth.
Mal_4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

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Which of those passages make this distinction?

Because the passages you quote directly contradict your claim.

See, "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments." in Malachi 4:4 as just one example of this.

What happened at Horeb? Read for yourself in Deuteronomy chapters 4 and 5,

So no, it isn't God who divides them, it is you. The Scriptures you present testify against your claim.

-CryptoLutheran

bbbbbbb said:

Thank you. Other than the Ten Commandments, what other Old Testament commandments do you believe that Christians are required to obey?

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I answered your question, now would you also answer mine? Do you think its okay to use the lords name in vain, or lie, or murder, or covet? If not, why? Thank you

ViaCrucis said:

Which of those passages make this distinction?

Because the passages you quote directly contradict your claim.

See, "Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments." in Malachi 4:4 as just one example of this.

What happened at Horeb? Read for yourself in Deuteronomy chapters 4 and 5,

So no, it isn't God who divides them, it is you. The Scriptures you present testify against your claim.

-CryptoLutheran

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You can read what was posted and not see that God put the tablets of stone in the ark, but what He had dictated He put outside the ark?? You think God has no purpose in what He does?

Deu_10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
1Ki_8:9 There was nothing in the ark save the two tables of stone, which Moses put there at Horeb, when the LORD made a covenant with the children of Israel, when they came out of the land of Egypt.
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Read without prejudice. It is not MY opinion, it is the word of God. You want to go against what God Himself wrote with His own hand? You think that the God of the universe bothers to write something and that it can be altered at our whim? By what authority higher than God does anyone dare to change a single letter of anything that God Himself has written with His own finger on stone?? Do you seriously think anyone that does such a thing will not have consequences to pay for dishonoring God so?