What is the 'Silence in Heaven' found in Revelation.

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The 'Silence in Heaven' text comes about after the events of the sixth seals and before the seventh seal of Revelation:

Revelation 8:1 King James Version (KJV)
8 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

We also find at the seventh vial that a voice is heard saying 'It is done'..:

Revelation 16:15-17 King James Version (KJV)
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

And we find another instance of prophetic time for a short space, in the use of a hour, for the destruction of Mystery Babylon

Revelation 18:16-18 King James Version (KJV)
16 And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

How do they relate to one another...
 
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half an hour is a week. Because 1 day is a year in apocalyptic time, so 1 hour is a month and half an hour is a week. Like Lev 23:39 - feast of booths is 7 days.

Saints and angels on their way to the New Jerusalem
 
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half an hour is a week. Because 1 day is a year in apocalyptic time, so 1 hour is a month and half an hour is a week. Like Lev 23:39 - feast of booths is 7 days.

Saints and angels on their way to the New Jerusalem
But now look at all three, notice they all happen at the same sequence of time.
 
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Notice how these verses fit together...

Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Revelation 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Revelation 18:17
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Let’s look at the prophecy.
"At that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1. GC 613.1

When the third angel's message closes, mercy no longer pleads for the guilty inhabitants of the earth. The people of God have accomplished their work. They have received “the latter rain,” “the refreshing from the presence of the Lord,” and they are prepared for the trying hour before them. Angels are hastening to and fro in heaven. An angel returning from the earth announces that his work is done; the final test has been brought upon the world, and all who have proved themselves loyal to the divine precepts have received “the seal of the living God.” Then Jesus ceases His intercession in the sanctuary above. He lifts His hands and with a loud voice says, “It is done;” and all the angelic host lay off their crowns as He makes the solemn announcement: “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Revelation 22:11. Every case has been decided for life or death. Christ has made the atonement for His people and blotted out their sins. The number of His subjects is made up; “the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,” is about to be given to the heirs of salvation, and Jesus is to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords. GC 613.2

When He leaves the sanctuary, darkness covers the inhabitants of the earth. In that fearful time the righteous must live in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor. The restraint which has been upon the wicked is removed, and Satan has entire control of the finally impenitent. God's long-suffering has ended. The world has rejected His mercy, despised His love, and trampled upon His law. The wicked have passed the boundary of their probation; the Spirit of God, persistently resisted, has been at last withdrawn. Unsheltered by divine grace, they have no protection from the wicked one. Satan will then plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old. GC 614.1

“When Jesus LEAVES THE MOST HOLY, His restraining Spirit is withdrawn from rulers and people. They are left to the control of evil angels. THEN such LAWS will be made by the counsel and direction of Satan, that unless time should be very short, NO FLESH COULD BE SAVED.”(Testimonies Vol. One, p204)

When Jesus has left the Most Holy Place, then there is no place left to repent as there is no mediator in the sanctuary and this is when Satan has the opportunity and gets the nations to come together as they 'receive power as kings one hour with the beast'.

“I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus’ work was DONE in the sanctuary, and THEN will come the SEVEN LAST PLAGUES. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A DECREE went forth to SLAY THE SAINTS, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance.” (Early Writings 36-37)

The plagues then are falling, it enrages the wicked. Satan sees the desperation so then makes his final move..

“Satan sees that he is about to LOSE HIS CASE. He cannot sweep in the whole world. He makes ONE LAST DESPERATE EFFORT to overcome the faithful by deception. He does this in personating Christ… One effort more, and then Satan’s last device is employed. He hears the UNCEASING CRY FOR CHRIST TO COME, FOR CHRIST TO DELIVER THEM. This last strategy is to PERSONATE CHRIST, and make them think their prayers are answered.” LDE 164-165

This is his last deception.
 
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Notice how these verses fit together...

Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Revelation 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Revelation 18:17
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Let’s look at the prophecy.
"At that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book.” Daniel 12:1. GC 613.1

When the third angel's message closes, mercy no longer pleads for the guilty inhabitants of the earth. The people of God have accomplished their work. They have received “the latter rain,” “the refreshing from the presence of the Lord,” and they are prepared for the trying hour before them. Angels are hastening to and fro in heaven. An angel returning from the earth announces that his work is done; the final test has been brought upon the world, and all who have proved themselves loyal to the divine precepts have received “the seal of the living God.” Then Jesus ceases His intercession in the sanctuary above. He lifts His hands and with a loud voice says, “It is done;” and all the angelic host lay off their crowns as He makes the solemn announcement: “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” Revelation 22:11. Every case has been decided for life or death. Christ has made the atonement for His people and blotted out their sins. The number of His subjects is made up; “the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,” is about to be given to the heirs of salvation, and Jesus is to reign as King of kings and Lord of lords. GC 613.2

When He leaves the sanctuary, darkness covers the inhabitants of the earth. In that fearful time the righteous must live in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor. The restraint which has been upon the wicked is removed, and Satan has entire control of the finally impenitent. God's long-suffering has ended. The world has rejected His mercy, despised His love, and trampled upon His law. The wicked have passed the boundary of their probation; the Spirit of God, persistently resisted, has been at last withdrawn. Unsheltered by divine grace, they have no protection from the wicked one. Satan will then plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old. GC 614.1

“When Jesus LEAVES THE MOST HOLY, His restraining Spirit is withdrawn from rulers and people. They are left to the control of evil angels. THEN such LAWS will be made by the counsel and direction of Satan, that unless time should be very short, NO FLESH COULD BE SAVED.”(Testimonies Vol. One, p204)

When Jesus has left the Most Holy Place, then there is no place left to repent as there is no mediator in the sanctuary and this is when Satan has the opportunity and gets the nations to come together as they 'receive power as kings one hour with the beast'. When this comes to pass, the saints are put to the extreme test and cry for deliverance.

“I saw that the four angels would hold the four winds until Jesus’ work was DONE in the sanctuary, and THEN will come the SEVEN LAST PLAGUES. These plagues enraged the wicked against the righteous; they thought that we had brought the judgments of God upon them, and that if they could rid the earth of us, the plagues would then be stayed. A DECREE went forth to SLAY THE SAINTS, which caused them to cry day and night for deliverance.” (Early Writings 36-37)

The plagues then are falling, it enrages the wicked. Satan sees the desperation so then makes his final move..

“Satan sees that he is about to LOSE HIS CASE. He cannot sweep in the whole world. He makes ONE LAST DESPERATE EFFORT to overcome the faithful by deception. He does this in personating Christ… One effort more, and then Satan’s last device is employed. He hears the UNCEASING CRY FOR CHRIST TO COME, FOR CHRIST TO DELIVER THEM. This last strategy is to PERSONATE CHRIST, and make them think their prayers are answered.” LDE 164-165

This is his last deception. His last and final effort. This occurs after Christ has left the most holy place, after probation is closed on the world, after the plagues have started to come down, and into the time of trouble such as never was.

reddogs,

In your scenario Satan unleashed his ultimate deception, the one that Ellen White describes as an almost overwhelming deception because it's going to be so powerful that we will have to reject our senses in favor of truth. So, what is the devil's purpose in creating a deception after probation has closed and world is lost and God's saints are sealed? Seems to me that your scenario makes the deception of appearing as Christ a useless effort for what purpose is the deception? If I were him I would make sure this deception would make a lot of people lose their eternal life. That can't happen after the close of probation.

In this age antichrist will appear as the true Christ, and then the law of God will be fully made void in the nations of our world. Rebellion against God’s holy law will be fully ripe. But the true leader of all this rebellion is Satan clothed as an angel of light. Men will be deceived and will exalt him to the place of God, and deify him. But Omnipotence will interpose, and to the apostate churches that unite in the exaltation of Satan, the sentence will go forth, “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.”—Testimonies to Ministers and Gospel Workers, 62. {TA 268.4}

As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour’s advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. Revelation 1:13-15. The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air: “Christ has come! Christ has come!” The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed His disciples when He was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is “the great power of God.” Acts 8:10. {DD 41.4}
 
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reddogs,

In your scenario Satan unleashed his ultimate deception, the one that Ellen White describes as an almost overwhelming deception because it's going to be so powerful that we will have to reject our senses in favor of truth. So, what is the devil's purpose in creating a deception after probation has closed and world is lost and God's saints are sealed? Seems to me that your scenario makes the deception of appearing as Christ a useless effort for what purpose is the deception? If I were him I would make sure this deception would make a lot of people lose their eternal life. That can't happen after the close of probation.
It has to be then at the close of probation, and as scripture says even the very elect would be in danger if it wasn't shortened.
 
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Now here is Uriah Smith in 'Daniel and the Revelation'..."
We name as the subject of this chapter the seven trumpets, as these constitute the main theme of the chapter, although there are other matters introduced before the opening of that series of events. The first verse of this chapter relates to the events of the preceding chapters, and therefore should not have been separated from them by the division of the chapter. DAR1909 475.1

VERSE 1. And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.” DAR1909 475.2

The series of seven seals is here resumed and concluded. The sixth chapter closed with the events of the sixth seal, and the eighth commences with the opening of the seventh seal; hence the seventh chapter stands parenthetically between the sixth and seventh seals, from which it appears that the sealing work of that chapter belongs to the sixth seal. DAR1909 475.3

Silence in Heaven. - Concerning the cause of this silence, only conjecture can be offered, - a conjecture, however, which is supported by the events of the sixth seal. That seal does not bring us to the second advent, although it embraces events that transpire in close connection therewith. It introduces the fearful commotions of the elements, described as the rolling of the heavens together as a scroll, caused by the voice of God, the breaking up of the surface of the earth, and the confession on the part of the wicked that the great day of God’s wrath is come. They are doubtless in momentary expectation of seeing the King appear in, to them, unendurable glory. But the seal stops just short of that event. The personal appearing of Christ must therefore be allotted to the next seal. But when the Lord appears, he comes with all the holy angels with him. Matthew 25:31. And when all the heavenly harpers leave the courts above to come down with their divine Lord, as he descends to gather the fruit of his redeeming work, will there not be silence in heaven? DAR1909 475.4

The length of this period of silence, if we consider it prophetic time, would be about seven days. DAR1909 476.1" ...Daniel and The Revelation
 
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Now here is Ellen White in Early Writings...
"Then Jesus' silver trumpet sounded, as He descended on the cloud, wrapped in flames of fire. He gazed on the graves of the sleeping saints, then raised His eyes and hands to heaven, and cried, "Awake! awake! awake! ye that sleep in the dust, and arise." Then there was a mighty earthquake. The graves opened, and the dead came up clothed with immortality. The 144,000 shouted, "Alleluia!" as they recognized their friends who had been torn from them by death, and in the same moment we were changed and caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air.

We all entered the cloud together, and were seven days ascending to the sea of glass, when Jesus brought the crowns, and with His own right hand placed them on our heads. He gave us harps of gold and palms of victory. Here on the sea of glass the 144,000 stood in a perfect square. Some of them had very bright crowns, others not so bright. Some crowns appeared heavy with stars, while others had but few. All were perfectly satisfied with their crowns. And they were all [17] clothed with a glorious white mantle from their shoulders to their feet. Angels were all about us as we marched over the sea of glass to the gate of the city. Jesus raised His mighty, glorious arm, laid hold of the pearly gate, swung it back on its glittering hinges, and said to us, "You have washed your robes in My blood, stood stiffly for My truth, enter in." We all marched in and felt that we had a perfect right in the city." ...Early Writings, by Ellen G. White. My First Vision
 
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It has to be then at the close of probation, and as scripture says even the very elect would be in danger if it wasn't shortened.

The close of probation comes after the Sunday law which the devil's great deception pronounces a good thing in the guise of Christ. As the Sunday law is the great final test of loyalty to God and the truth of it has been made completely clear to everyone it is after that probation closes. Everyone will have made up their minds as to who they are going to follow.

I don't know if you have the compilation book Last Day Events or not but chapters 14-16 gather together Ellen White's statements on these events in these chapters. You might find them interesting.
 
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The close of probation comes after the Sunday law which the devil's great deception pronounces a good thing in the guise of Christ. As the Sunday law is the great final test of loyalty to God and the truth of it has been made completely clear to everyone it is after that probation closes. Everyone will have made up their minds as to who they are going to follow.

I don't know if you have the compilation book Last Day Events or not but chapters 14-16 gather together Ellen White's statements on these events in these chapters. You might find them interesting.
I think we are close enough to see the events played out, but we have to be prepared or we will be swept away by Satans ruse..
 
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Interesting but how do you show that the Rev 18 statement is at the same time as the other two?
Now here us something to think about, we see the event as the Second Coming as all the prophecies show at their end, the Seven Churches, the Seven Trumpets, the Seven Seals, the Seven Plaques, etc.. But there is a detail that you have to pick up, the meaning of the silence "about the space of half an hour." A half a hour by itself means nothing, but in prophetic time it is a week, and what happens weekly, every week since Christ created the world.... The Sabbath...

Now it has meaning, the saints will have a Sabbath to worship with the Lord himself as they are taken to heaven, thus the silence in heaven. They will be able to enter the gates of the kingdom of God, and have a right to the tree of life, with the fullness of obedience to Gods Law. Now this week has a purpose not just a wasted time, but a reason...

The Sabbath was created at the very beginning and God blessed and sanctified the seventh day. The Hebrew word translated 'sanctified' in Genesis 2:3 and 'hallowed' in Exodus 20:11 is qadash, a word meaning 'to hallow, to pronounce holy, to consecrate, to set apart for holy use.' What better thing than worshiping with the redeemer is there for a 'holy use'.
 
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reddogs,

In your scenario Satan unleashed his ultimate deception, the one that Ellen White describes as an almost overwhelming deception because it's going to be so powerful that we will have to reject our senses in favor of truth. So, what is the devil's purpose in creating a deception after probation has closed and world is lost and God's saints are sealed? Seems to me that your scenario makes the deception of appearing as Christ a useless effort for what purpose is the deception? If I were him I would make sure this deception would make a lot of people lose their eternal life. That can't happen after the close of probation.

False second coming happens in Rev 13 - at setup of mark of the beast. It is triggered by "USA repudiating every principle of its constitution as a Republic and as a Protestant nation" by creating laws regulating worship practices. 5T 451

at that time those opposing God have "peace and safety" while the saints have turmoil. By contrast at the start of the plagues (just after close of probation) all the world is in chaos.
 
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“Satan sees that he is about to LOSE HIS CASE. He cannot sweep in the whole world. He makes ONE LAST DESPERATE EFFORT to overcome the faithful by deception. He does this in personating Christ… One effort more, and then Satan’s last device is employed. He hears the UNCEASING CRY FOR CHRIST TO COME, FOR CHRIST TO DELIVER THEM. This last strategy is to PERSONATE CHRIST, and make them think their prayers are answered.” LDE 164-165

This is his last deception.

You have a lot of good quotes but LDE is a bit misleading because it "snip quotes" from MS 16.
4LtMs, Ms 16, 1884,Satan’s Last Deception

If you read the full text of MS 16 it points to Rev 13 setting up of mark of beast and Matt 24 "abom of desolation standing in the holy place" - "sign" for saints

". This last strategy is to personate Christ and make them think their prayers are answered. But this answers to the last closing work, the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. [Text ends here.]" 4LtMs, Ms 16, 1884, par. 11

It is when saints are confronted with mark of beast in Rev 13 according to MS 16.

"The saints look on with amazement. Will they also be deceived? Will they worship Satan? Angels of God are about them. A clear, firm, musical voice is heard, “Look up.” There was one object before the praying ones—[the] final and eternal salvation of their souls. This object was before them constantly—that immortal life was promised to them who endure unto the end. Oh, how earnest and fervent had been their desires. The judgment and eternity were in view. Their eyes by faith were fixed on the blazing throne, before which the white-robed ones were to stand. This restrained them from the indulgence of sin. They were ripening for heaven. They had been cultivating spiritual mindedness, and striving soul, might, mind, and strength with persevering energy to copy the Pattern, that they might be without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, and meet their Lord in peace. Their souls went out in all the intense longing for to see Jesus, and by beholding by faith the character and purity of Jesus they were being transformed into His image. They were being brought into close harmony with Jesus Christ, and they had indomitable purpose. They would not dishonor God; they would not receive the mark of the beast or of his image; they would overcome as servants and sons of God, that they might inherit all things". 4LtMs, Ms 16, 1884, par. 8

MS 16 points to 2 Thess 2 - miracle working power of satan which is triggered by America repudiating every principle of its constitution.

Appearances will deceive. The masterly miracle-working power of Satan has carried the whole world with them and the fallen churches, and those only who have [made] the Bible their study, who have the law of God engraven in their hearts, will stand the test of this time of satanic delusion and peril. If it were possible, Jesus tells us, they would deceive the very elect. Satan in personating Jesus Christ is worshiped as God. Shout upon shout of victory is heard in adoration and in praise. 4LtMs, Ms 16, 1884, par. 5
 
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False second coming happens in Rev 13 - at setup of mark of the beast. It is triggered by "USA repudiating every principle of its constitution as a Republic and as a Protestant nation" by creating laws regulating worship practices. 5T 451

at that time those opposing God have "peace and safety" while the saints have turmoil. By contrast at the start of the plagues (just after close of probation) all the world is in chaos.
As you can see by the news happening today, we have reached the point where we see the "USA repudiating every principle of its constitution as a Republic and as a Protestant nation". I cant even think of the 180 degree change the leaders had to have in passing the same sex marriage law... https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/same-sex-marriage-vote-senate/index.html
 
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As you can see by the news happening today, we have reached the point where we see the "USA repudiating every principle of its constitution as a Republic and as a Protestant nation". I cant even think of the 180 degree change the leaders had to have in passing the same sex marriage law... https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/same-sex-marriage-vote-senate/index.html
Well we can at least be thankful that they exempted religious organizations from that law - .... for now.

I wonder if things like this will force a huge pendulum swing wayyy out the opposite dirtection in the future.
 
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As you can see by the news happening today, we have reached the point where we see the "USA repudiating every principle of its constitution as a Republic and as a Protestant nation". I cant even think of the 180 degree change the leaders had to have in passing the same sex marriage law... https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/29/politics/same-sex-marriage-vote-senate/index.html
Can you tell me exactly what the principles are in the Constitution that have been repudiated?
 
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Can you tell me exactly what the principles are in the Constitution that have been repudiated?
Bit by bit they are chipping away at the religious freedom and questioning our right to decide what we believe in ...
 
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Well we can at least be thankful that they exempted religious organizations from that law - .... for now.

I wonder if things like this will force a huge pendulum swing wayyy out the opposite dirtection in the future.
Well, that is what they are pushing for in political forums and agendas.... The American right’s future involves waging a 'religious battle' against the left, leaders say at a conservative conference
But then will this be as dangerous to our rights in the Constitution and religious liberty as the radical left... https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/03/politics/trump-constitution-truth-social/index.html
 
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