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God's Ten Commandments are 10 and the original, unedited version can be found in Exodus 20. The other commandants are ceremonial, ordinances etc. meant for that time period.

So you're saying the command to rest on a particular day of the week is forever, but the command to love God was only a ceremonial ordinance that was only for that time period?

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." - Deuteronomy 6:5

I have a sneaking suspicion that you might not be correct. But maybe my memory is fuzzy, which of these does Christ call the greatest commandment?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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So you're saying the command to rest on a particular day of the week is forever, but the command to love God was only a ceremonial ordinance that was only for that time period?

"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might." - Deuteronomy 6:5

I have a sneaking suspicion that you might not be correct. But maybe my memory is fuzzy, which of these does Christ call the greatest commandment?

-CryptoLutheran

Maybe you haven't seen this verse on how we show God our love.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

God Bless
 
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Not just any meal, and no, this was not "grace before meals." It was the "sacred meal" commanded by Our Lord.

But your church may not celebrate the Lord's Supper on a weekly basis on either Sunday or Saturday (which would explain a lot about this conversation).

Also, please do remember that the Sabbath was not moved. It remains, as it always has, on Saturday.

Wonderful! I am so glad we agree on that. Yes, Sabbath (Saturday) was never changed, its still the same day God Blessed, Sanctified, made Holy and asked us to Remember.

It' the day Jesus kept for our example and the day we will be worshiping Him in heaven forever. Praise God!

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

God Bless
 
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Wonderful! I am so glad we agree on that. Yes, Sabbath (Saturday) was never changed, its still the same day God Blessed, Sanctified, made Holy and asked us to Remember.

It' the day Jesus kept for our example and the day we will be worshiping Him in heaven forever. Praise God!

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

God Bless

Am I wrong in thinking that in your mind Christianity is simply about engaging in nineteenth-century American religious practices on Saturdays and, secondarily, keeping only nine other commandments God gave to His chosen people, Israel, in the Old Testament?
 
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Am I wrong in thinking that in your mind Christianity is simply about engaging in nineteenth-century American religious practices on Saturdays and, secondarily, keeping only nine other commandments God gave to His chosen people, Israel, in the Old Testament?
Are you saying His commandments are not valid? Is it okay to murder? Vain His name? Covet? Lie? etc.
 
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Wonderful! I am so glad we agree on that.
DO YOU agree?

Earlier, you wrote that the Catholic Church had changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

The Catholic church changed the commandments of God and changed the day God asked us to Remember, the day He called Holy, Sanctified and Blessed- Seventh day Sabbath to unbiblical Sunday.
 
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DO YOU agree?

Earlier, you wrote that the Roman Catholics Church had changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
That's day you go to Church right, Sunday? I am not aware of Catholics keeping the Sabbath. Also, I didn't write it, it was a quote from the Catholic church admitting there was no Biblical reference to change Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
 
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The Catholic church changed the commandments of God and changed the day God asked us to Remember, the day He called Holy, Sanctified and Blessed- Seventh day Sabbath to unbiblical Sunday.
That's day you go to Church right, Sunday? I am not aware of Catholics keeping the Sabbath

The official position of the Catholic Church is that Saturday remains the Sabbath. That is why attending Mass on Saturday is considered as fulfilling the member's Sunday worship obligation.
 
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Maybe you haven't seen this verse on how we show God our love.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

God Bless

So we keep the Sabbath to love God, but we don't love God to love God?

That seems odd to me.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Are you saying His commandments are not valid? Is it okay to murder? Vain His name? Covet? Lie? etc.

Is it okay to not love the Lord God with all our heart, soul, and strength?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Are you saying His commandments are not valid? Is it okay to murder? Vain His name? Covet? Lie? etc.

"Am I wrong in thinking that in your mind Christianity is simply about engaging in nineteenth-century American religious practices on Saturdays and, secondarily, keeping only nine other commandments God gave to His chosen people, Israel, in the Old Testament?"

Well its not really a question you made a statement that is inaccurate- Gods commandments are not only for Israel. Everyone has the opportunity to be saved, not just Jews, so that is rather silly. If the question you are trying to ask if I think keeping Gods commandments is my view of Christianity than my answer is no. There is a lot to being a Christian and a big part of that is keeping the commandments of God. It's how we know Him 1 John 2:3,4 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Jesus said
Mark 2:27
And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

He did not say The Sabbath was made for Jews, man =all.

So now will you answer my question- is it okay to lie, murder, vain His name? If no, than why not?
 
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All I did was quote, if you take issue with it, than perhaps look at the source of the quotes.
You quoted one pastor writing for 'who knows what' audience.

That is NOT an official position taken by the Church itself.

I expect that you can easily obtain the Church's statement about the matter, however.
 
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So we keep the Sabbath to love God, but we don't love God to love God?

That seems odd to me.

-CryptoLutheran

It's a quote from the Bible, maybe you should pray about it?

Proverbs 3 1:6
My son, do not forget my law,
But let your heart keep my commands;
2 For length of days and long life
And peace they will add to you.

3 Let not mercy and truth forsake you;
Bind them around your neck,
Write them on the tablet of your heart,
4 And so find favor and high esteem
In the sight of God and man.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

God Bless
 
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You quoted one pastor writing for 'who knows what' audience.

That is NOT an official position taken by the Church itself.

I expect that you can easily obtain the Church's statement about the matter, however.

Sure, these are the quotes, just a few.....

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope.
—Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950.

Of course these two old quotations are exactly correct. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit – or blame – for the change.
—This Rock, The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997

Q. Have you any other proofs that they(Protestants) are not guided by the Scripture?

A. Yes; so many, that we cannot admit more than a mere specimen into this small work. They reject much that is clearly contained in Scripture, and profess more that is nowhere discoverable in that Divine Book.

Q. Give some examples of both?

A. They should, if the Scripture were their only rule, wash the feet of one another, according to the command of Christ, in the 13th chap. of St. John; —they should keep, not the Sunday, but the Saturday, according to the commandment, "Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath-day;" for this commandment has not, in Scripture, been changed or abrogated;...
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 101 Imprimatuer

Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174


Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'
—Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
—Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995


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Is it okay to not love the Lord God with all our heart, soul, and strength?

-CryptoLutheran
What? That's ridiculous and you know it. I already quoted Gods definition of how we show Him love. We should absolutely love God with all our heart, mind and soul and in showing Him our love with all our heart, mind and soul is to obey Him, not disobey!
 
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So you declined to get the official position of the Catholic Church but still want us to believe that she changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and without any Scriptural backing.

Really? ;)
Did you forget to read what I posted? What day do you worship? What day is the pope trying to make a world-wide day of rest? It's not the day God deemed as Holy or Sanctified, or Blessed or asked us to Remember. or Rest
 
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So you declined to get the official position of the Catholic Church but still want us to believe that she changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday and without any Scriptural backing.

Really? ;)


Catechism of the Catholic Church - The third commandment

From Sabbath to Sunday
Why change God's commandments? There are 10 and the Sabbath commandant is God's 4th not third. I think the Catholic church eliminated one of Gods commandments. The Bible says we are not to change one law Mathew 5:18 "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

I would love to discuss further will do so once I return....
 
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It's a quote from the Bible, maybe you pray on it.

Proverbs 3 1:6
My son, do not forget my law,
But let your heart keep my commands;
2 For length of days and long life
And peace they will add to you.

3 Let not mercy and truth forsake you;
Bind them around your neck,
Write them on the tablet of your heart,
4 And so find favor and high esteem
In the sight of God and man.

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths.

God Bless

Should I buy you a dodgeball? I only ask because you are certainly doing a lot of dodging. Why won't you take responsibility for your words?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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