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did the serpent control her to walk near enough to speak to her? Did the serpent have her add to His prohibition? Did the serpent make Eve see the tree was good for food? Did the serpent make Eve’s eyes see it is pleasant...Did the serpent force her to desire to be wise? Did the serpent control her hands to take the fruit and her mouth to bite chew her throat to swallow? Or did SHE make choices and decisions and reveal her heart...or does nothing coming into the body make one unclean...but that INSIDE is already defiled...as Yahushua confirmed much later...
You are preaching that Eve was a liar and deceiver even before the serpent beguiled her. You got this teaching from another voice, not God's as the Holy Scriptures clearly show. I asked for even ONE verse that confirms your preaching that Eve was a deceiver, same as satan, and you can find none, because the Bible doesn't teach what you are "ADDING".
we are told EXACTLY what is necessary...that she ADDED to the WORD is EXACTLY the problem THROUGHOUT the good book...and STILL today...
Desiring to obey she ADDED she CREATED like the Pharisees do...like religious leaders today...
didn’t say serpent had NOTHING to do...but that she in her desire to be ZEALOUS AND OBEY added to His word...she chose to do that...
You are "ADDING" the judgement that Eve was a liar and deceiver who tried to deceive the serpent who was just an innocent bystander inquiring about God's Commandment. The Bible doesn't teach this, you do, but the bible doesn't. You are "ADDING" this religious philosophy, God doesn't teach it.
I have no doubt that God told Eve not to eat, lust after, desire or even touch the forbidden fruit. This is certainly God's Character and I have no reason or proof to judge Eve as a liar and deceiver even before she was "beguiled" by the serpent.
You are free to make this judgment of Eve is you like, but I'm sticking to God's Judgment.
of course she had a choice is EXACTLY why she erred...she exercised her free will to choose COUNTER the instruction despite her desire to OBEY...is WHY the subtle deception...beguiling...
You think deception is a one person game? Something that Satan does to you?
I think the Holy Scriptures are true. And you are ignoring what they say regarding Eve to promote some religious philosophy you heard. I posted several warnings about the "other spirit" which seeks to beguile men in this world, as it did Eve, but you don't believe them. Nothing new in that.
2 Tim. 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
Her free will had her create a false presumption...
Like your free will directing you to judge her as a Liar and Deceiver without even any proof or scriptures to support your judgment? If you could find Scriptural support, you would have provided it. But you can't because no such supports exists, only in the minds of men they "ADD" to the Scriptures.
it is right there...CURSED is anyone who ADDS to the WORD...as demonstrated already in the garden...
settle down...I am specific to what EVE did...to be deceived...HOW Satan deceived her...
You have no proof that God didn't tell her not to touch the tree. You are ADDING to God's Word, you are Judging Eve a Deceiver and liar even before she was beguiled by the serpent. And you doing so without ONE WORD of support from the entire Bible.
yup...funny how we are punished for something Satan did to us? How is that fair?
The serpent didn't make Eve choose its words over God's, just as no one "made" you accuse Eve of being a liar and deceiver before the serpent even got there.
Eve was cursed NOT for what was done to her by the serpent...but for what she created...and as CREATOR she was cursed in her creation role...BOTH conception and birth were to be sorrowful...AND her desire was to be for her now RULER...
Eve, like Abraham, was judged by their works. One is an example of listening to "another" voice, and the other is an example of only listening to God. You are "ADDING" judgments to the Word of God HE has never made.
did Noah gather the unclean male and female and the clean by sevens? Or was it SHOWN to him by Him having them enter the ark that way
Nice deflection. You really believe the only Word's ever spoken by God to Noah is recorded?
Not my fault you miss the lessons RIGHT THERE...”Their eyes were opened and they realized they were NAKED AND ASHAMED made coverings for themselves and STILL HID themselves...
Of course, they touched the forbidden fruit that they knew was against God.
Noah’s son DISHONORED his father his nakedness by doing NOTHING...and telling his brothers...
One did, what about the other two? How did they even know what "Dishonoring" their father was? Can you show me the exact Scripture where God told Noah's Sons not to look at their fathers nakedness? Or that "doing NOTHING" was wrong?
You are promoting a religious philosophy that implodes within in itself once the Light of the Holy Scriptures are shown upon it.
You miss so much...
as far as you know you can only read what was told...maybe Adam told her wrong...also the problem?
There is also another, more probable explanation. Maybe you are wrong in your judgment of God and Eve. Maybe, like with murder and adultery, God instructs folks to "flee all appearance of evil". Would a man of God go to a strip joint, get a lap dance, flirt with other women, and be guiltless as long as he doesn't actually have sex? You preach, she could pick the fruit, juggle the fruit, lust after the fruit, desire the fruit, and only became guilty when she took the bite.
No, your judgment of Eve is not from God, and your judgment of God is not true.
And you are here to preserve and defend your own religious philosophy, not examine scriptures. So since I am here to examine scriptures, and not interested in promoting popular religious philosophies, we are on different pages.
To continue in this back and forth is foolishness, so I will not address all your remarks.
yup...and like the Pharisees who wanted to build a hedge around the law ADDED to it...so did Eve...Created her own law...
Again, you are furthering doctrines of men.
Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?
Mal. 2:8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
9 Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law.
This is another perfect example of how you have been beguiled by the "other" voice. God's Word clearly says over and over, that the Jewish religious leaders didn't "ADD" to God's Laws, they took away from it, transgressed it, "omitted" it, rejected it, like Eve.
So here I am again, I have your "voice" telling the Jews were so interested in obeying God's Laws that they ADDED to them, and I have the Word of God telling me the Jews hated Him, they despised His Laws and polluted His Sabbaths.
Since I have learned from the lesson God gave me through the example of Eve, I'm going to believe God over your religious philosophy. I just hope that you might also close your ears to the religious leaders who are guiding your religious belief, and turn to the God of the Bible who will set you free from the "wiles of the devil", if you put on HIS Armor.
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