Deaths, hospitalizations and at least 68 COVID-19 cases after weeklong church event
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Not a good story Tulc 
thanks for sharing.
We ware masks.. a very good thing. Yet our eyes are wide open. Well point is.. the virus what.. can't touch our eyes. We know lock downs wont help but.. Church or not.. should be wearing a mask and keep some space between each other.
thanks for sharing. We ware masks.. a very good thing. Yet our eyes are wide open. Well point is.. the virus what.. can't touch our eyes
. We know lock downs wont help but.. Church or not.. should be wearing a mask and keep some space between each other.
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- Oct 18, 2017
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But...
How is that someone going to pass it on to someone else, if that someone else is wearing a mask and doing social distancing? Are you saying masks and social distancing don't work?
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I avoid public gatherings until they have a vaccine or antibodies. It may take months.
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...is the person who's positive the one wearing the mask? Because that's the one who needs to be wearing it to stop the spread. I ask, because in these conversations there seems to be some confusion about how masks and distancing works.
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Are you saying it is the person who's positive who needs to wear a mask? If so, knowing that I am negative, that means I can go maskless, I don't need to wear a mask since I have nothing to spread?
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yep
Nope, that means you should wear one as well.
Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus
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Ah...The ever changing landscape of scientific certainty about masks.
Cherry picking. I can produce other studies that contradict this, but considering we live in times where medical or scientific dissent on Covid is liable to being censored, I will not.
But let's say for the sake of argument I agree with what they are saying. That still does not explain why all those seasoned epidemiologists couldn't tell people right off the bat at the beginning of the pandemic that they SHOULD wear cloth masks, a scarf, a bandana, a kerchief, whatever, any face covering for protection and to prevent spread. You see, if this is sooooo important, it is very hard for my rational mind to believe that in all their years of epidemiological work and expertise, the people in charge of epidemiology, including the illustrious Dr. Fauci, were only finding out THIS year that cloth masks were one of the key factors in stopping spread of flu like virus. You mean, THAT.NEVER.CAME.UP.BEFORE in terms of epidemiological strategy?.
Therefore I will continue to have the skeptical mind that has served me well. I do wear masks and practice social distancing, because I respect the fear of other people, but for myself, I do not live in fear.
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Hence, contact tracing. The preceding party doesn’t produce any statistically significant people testing positive for covid, but a church is a common denominator for statistically significant number of positives.
Hence, the church incident isn’t to “pin one person’s sickness” to a particular institution. Rather, a considerable number of people testing positive from various parts of the city had one thing in common, the church events.
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Never? I would not say never.
But your comment ostensibly reflects a lack of knowledge of how the virus behaves and is transmitted. The higher risk between church events where you are inside for many hours around other people is substantially higher than the transient amount of time people spend in a grocery store largely spaced away from other people.
And there’s plenty of research devoted to your question about the protests outdoors.
Scientists now have a plethora of data demonstrating the virus stalks us inside.
Specifically, indoors, in confined spaces, with several other people for an hour or more, especially when masks and social distancing aren’t not practiced or possible. They have a lot of evidence showing the virus doesn’t spread as easily outside.
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No the very nature of the virus itself has fed the narrative. The problem is too many flat earth believers and gravity deniers are also right leaning at this particular point in time.
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There are two very good reasons given for the initial lack of consensus for masks in February/March. First, the mask shortage was a reason. Second, American and global epidemiologists/virologists were still researching how exactly the virus spread. February and March was very much within the few months of the pandemic and was in the infancy of being researched and studied.
Once the national and international research began producing data as to how the virus is transmitted, under what conditions increase risk of spread, what actions increase risk of spread, the recommendations followed, including the use of masks and avoiding indoor, confined spaces with several other people for an hour or more.
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That's nice. Neither do I.
tulc(isn't sure when "not infecting neighbors" became "not living in fear" but has no problem with it)
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We are talking about CLOTH masks, not N95 or surgical masks. There was never a shortage of makeshift cloth masks. People could have used scarves, bandanas, kerchiefs, torn fabrics, had they been told early on they NEEDED to mask up.
For reference, I am going to leave here the 1 minute video of Dr. Fauci telling people in March, there was no reason for anyone in the US to be walking around with a mask.
When months later he was confronted about changing his position, he explained that he "lied" for a good reason, to prevent people from hoaging the PPE needed by the medical personel. First of all, if he was lying in that interview, he is a darn good liar, I will give him that. Secondly, he NEVER said he didn't have enough information on the virus to recommend cloth masks.
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But is it truly "accidental" if a person isn't wearing a mask, isn't social distancing? We all have a responsibility to each other.
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That's just funny..
Never thought someone could link the "rona" to flat earth.. but... then you have this......
"Enjoy the buffet... they're here all week"
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