LOL... landing on an asteriod.....

Shemjaza · Oct 24, 2020

JacksBratt said:
That's because movies are giving people ideas that don't exist in the real world... You see it so much on the TV or in the theater.. you accept it when others tell you similar things...

The Force of Gravity was discovered centuries ago. It isn't some new fangled idea from the 20th century, it's a property of mass.

JacksBratt said:
I guess the satellites and the ISS should have all kinds of little space pebbles and dirt sticking to it. Guess that's why they have to go wash the windows..

The ISS is in close proximity to the Earth so any loose stuff is probably more likely to fall to the planet... also the ISS is unlikely to stay in a stable orbit for the time frames involved in asteroid coalescing.

JacksBratt · Oct 24, 2020

Shemjaza said:
The Force of Gravity was discovered centuries ago. It isn't some new fangled idea from the 20th century, it's a property of mass.

The ISS is in close proximity to the Earth so any loose stuff is probably more likely to fall to the planet... also the ISS is unlikely to stay in a stable orbit for the time frames involved in asteroid coalescing.

OK sure.... changes everything.

Shemjaza · Oct 24, 2020

JacksBratt said:
OK sure.... changes everything.

I think we need to find a common reference.

You seem to accept that celestial bodies like planets, moons and asteroids exist.

You seem to believe that human space technology like space stations, probes and satellites exist.

You just don't believe the Force of Gravity applies on any scale except planetary?

JacksBratt · Oct 24, 2020

Shemjaza said:
I think we need to find a common reference.

You seem to accept that celestial bodies like planets, moons and asteroids exist.

Yes.

You seem to believe that human space technology like space stations, probes and satellites exist.

Not totally sold on this. I believe that NASA exists and has some pretty pictures and wild movie productions. I believe that they have some pretty big budgets too.

You just don't believe the Force of Gravity applies on any scale except planetary?

If the force of gravity exists and is able to keep Pluto in orbit of the sun.. from mega miles away... but cannot cause two billiard balls to move together from less than 1mm apart on a billiard table... Then the force seems to be adaptable to whatever situation suits the event.

Keeps us on the earth..

There is some sort of "escape velocity" yet a butterfly could just slowly flap it's wings until it ran out of dense air or O2....

Also, the atmosphere seems to be sucked to the earth with gravity somehow... despite the fact that there is a near zero vacuum out there beyond it. While a helium balloon defies this gravity and floats up through it until internal pressure breaks the balloon...

There is a lot of things that people just accept... Which... I don't.

One of them is that some space craft is going to "land" or bounce or glance off of or ricochet off of an asteroid.. meanwhile picking up a bunch of debris that seems to be sticking to the surface when the gravity would be far far less than even the moon.

Then, in 2023, if the lord tarries... and people aren't in isolation camps all over the world... they are going to have this space craft back on earth with it's payload.. Which, I'm sure by then will be several hundred kilograms of material... as people will be just like that sunfish you caught and had to kill because the hook, line and sinker were in it's stomach.

JackRT · Oct 24, 2020

JacksBratt said:
That's because movies are giving people ideas that don't exist in the real world... You see it so much on the TV or in the theater.. you accept it when others tell you similar things

I agree. If you watch the movies you would think that the USA won every war it ever fought with no help at all from allies.

JackRT · Oct 24, 2020

Four hundred years ago Newton worked out the law of gravity. That and his three laws of motion have been verified many, many, MANY times since then. They allow us to work out solar and lunar eclipses and permit us to navigate probes all through our solar system and even a bit beyond.

Shemjaza · Oct 24, 2020

JacksBratt said:
You seem to accept that celestial bodies like planets, moons and asteroids exist.

Yes.

You seem to believe that human space technology like space stations, probes and satellites exist.

Not totally sold on this. I believe that NASA exists and has some pretty pictures and wild movie productions. I believe that they have some pretty big budgets too.

You just don't believe the Force of Gravity applies on any scale except planetary?

If the force of gravity exists and is able to keep Pluto in orbit of the sun.. from mega miles away... but cannot cause two billiard balls to move together from less than 1mm apart on a billiard table... Then the force seems to be adaptable to whatever situation suits the event.

Gravity drops off by distance in a measurable way, so Pluto way out in the outer solar system has very little aside from Sol and sometimes Neptune to affect it.

The Billiard balls are on the Earth and affected by friction of their surfaces, so any mutual force will be overcome by that force.

JacksBratt said:
Keeps us on the earth..

There is some sort of "escape velocity" yet a butterfly could just slowly flap it's wings until it ran out of dense air or O2....

JacksBratt said:
Also, the atmosphere seems to be sucked to the earth with gravity somehow... despite the fact that there is a near zero vacuum out there beyond it. While a helium balloon defies this gravity and floats up through it until internal pressure breaks the balloon...

The butterfly in your example is applying constant force with its wings. That acceleration is overcoming the negative acceleration of the planet's gravity.

The helium balloon is rising because it is less dense then the air around it. Same as a normal air balloon in the water.

The atmosphere doesn't just stop at a point, it very slowly peters out till it's just a thin haze.

It has already started at the top of our mountains.

JacksBratt said:
There is a lot of things that people just accept... Which... I don't.

One of them is that some space craft is going to "land" or bounce or glance off of or ricochet off of an asteroid.. meanwhile picking up a bunch of debris that seems to be sticking to the surface when the gravity would be far far less than even the moon.

I explained the "landing" before, it's matching velocities and docking with the asteroid... not falling onto it. It's like mid air refueling of airplanes.

You are also misunderstanding the time frame of asteroids. Many of them will be older then the Earth itself.

Stuff gets knocked off and drifts around the area. The only minuscule force acting on it is the very tiny gravity from the asteroid so it drifts towards it. If it's going quickly it will bounce off, but it will lose energy, and eventually over an extreme scale of time they will rest together.

JacksBratt said:
Then, in 2023, if the lord tarries... and people aren't in isolation camps all over the world... they are going to have this space craft back on earth with it's payload.. Which, I'm sure by then will be several hundred kilograms of material... as people will be just like that sunfish you caught and had to kill because the hook, line and sinker were in it's stomach.

Why are you sure it will be several hundred kilograms of material?

And what is the point of such a silly conspiracy?

"Ah hahaha! These foolish sheep will never know that truth! That we didn't really poke a space rock!"

Halbhh · Oct 24, 2020

JacksBratt said:
So, this asteroid is one of the oldest rocks of the universe.. yet it continually ejects pieces of itself into space.. and .... miraculously.. still exists... Really? How big was it then when it started? And... further to that.. if it was much bigger before.. it would then have the mass that planet sized objects have and would not eject debris...

So.. it is an oxymoron... It could not have been ejecting particles for millions of years and still exist..Or.. it was really big to start and nothing would have escaped it's gravity...

Nice try though.

I hadn't heard it said to be composed of "one of the oldest rock in universe", which is an extremely dramatic headline type claim. Where did you see that claim?

Halbhh · Oct 24, 2020

JacksBratt said:
Sounds legit....... weird gravity... fixes everything..

The only thing I believe from NASA is that it is spelt N..... A..... S..... A.

After that... it's anyone's guess as to what is truth and what is lies.

Ah. I see.

JackRT · Oct 24, 2020

The latest report from NASA indicates that the "scoop". or whatever the device was, actually captured a bit too much material and the lid is not completely closed and as a result some material is drifting away. They are working now to get the rest stowed securely away in the capsule that will return it to earth. I would be astonished if it were more than a kilogram or two if that much.

JacksBratt · Oct 24, 2020

Halbhh said:
I hadn't heard it said to be composed of "one of the oldest rock in universe", which is an extremely dramatic headline type claim. Where did you see that claim?

When I first heard of this whole thing.. The interviewee.... was stating that this was why it was so so so important that they get the sample from this asteroid.. "Because it is some of the oldest material in the universe and will help them figure out how it all started..."

Can't remember where I heard it.. probably talk radio interview.... don't know the guy's name.. some NASA employee or whatever that is Canadian but doing work in Canada for NASA.. or a company that is contracted by NASA....

Anyway... that's where I heard the claim..

JacksBratt · Oct 24, 2020

JackRT said:
The latest report from NASA indicates that the "scoop". or whatever the device was, actually captured a bit too much material and the lid is not completely closed and as a result some material is drifting away. They are working now to get the rest stowed securely away in the capsule that will return it to earth. I would be astonished if it were more than a kilogram or two if that much.

My prediction of 100 kg or so... is a sarcastic prediction of how the amount will be inflated.. It will be 3 years from now and they will be able to state anything... my sarcasm may not have been adequately indicated.

No worries though... the material the spilled out.. will just drift back to the asteroid anyway...

Shemjaza · Oct 24, 2020

JacksBratt said:
When I first heard of this whole thing.. The interviewee.... was stating that this was why it was so so so important that they get the sample from this asteroid.. "Because it is some of the oldest material in the universe and will help them figure out how it all started..."

Can't remember where I heard it.. probably talk radio interview.... don't know the guy's name.. some NASA employee or whatever that is Canadian but doing work in Canada for NASA.. or a company that is contracted by NASA....

Anyway... that's where I heard the claim..

Are you sure they didn't say Solar system?

JacksBratt said:
My prediction of 100 kg or so... is a sarcastic prediction of how the amount will be inflated.. It will be 3 years from now and they will be able to state anything... my sarcasm may not have been adequately indicated.

No worries though... the material the spilled out.. will just drift back to the asteroid anyway...

You should be careful about assuming people can detect sarcasm when your actual statement are about how much you doubt basic physics.

d taylor · Oct 25, 2020

Shemjaza said:
The Force of Gravity was discovered centuries ago. It isn't some new fangled idea from the 20th century, it's a property of mass.

The ISS is in close proximity to the Earth so any loose stuff is probably more likely to fall to the planet... also the ISS is unlikely to stay in a stable orbit for the time frames involved in asteroid coalescing.

What ever this gravity idea is, it is not a force. Gravity exist as weight not a force.

The discovery of gravity, is really more like the creation of the idea of gravity.

JackRT · Oct 25, 2020

d taylor said:
What ever this gravity idea is, it is not a force. Gravity exist as weight not a force.

The discovery of gravity, is really more like the creation of the idea of gravity.

Weight is a force. It is the force of gravity on an object. Gravity was not discovered by Newton, he merely worked out an extremely accurate way of describing it. Your statements about scientific matters only establishes your ignorance of it. It is acceptable to say that you don't understand science because in that case you can seek to educate yourself.

d taylor · Oct 25, 2020

JackRT said:
Weight is a force. It is the force of gravity on an object. Gravity was not discovered by Newton, he merely worked out an extremely accurate way of describing it. Your statements about scientific matters only establishes your ignorance of it. It is acceptable to say that you don't understand science because in that case you can seek to educate yourself.

So that is all that gravity is is weight. It is not a force as in a force that pulls or pushes.

JackRT · Oct 25, 2020

d taylor said:
So that is all that gravity is is weight. It is not a force as in a force that pulls or pushes.

So, you can post my words but not comprehend them?

d taylor · Oct 25, 2020

JackRT said:
So, you can post my words but not comprehend them?

Just like you can look out and see God creation but can not comprehend the truthfulness as stated in the Bible describing Gods creation.

You are a fine example of a science blinded person.

Shemjaza · Oct 25, 2020

d taylor said:
What ever this gravity idea is, it is not a force. Gravity exist as weight not a force.

The discovery of gravity, is really more like the creation of the idea of gravity.

Weight is the action of the force of gravity between the Earth and other objects.

It can be detected between other masses in experiments like Cavendish experiment.

JacksBratt · Oct 25, 2020

Shemjaza said:
Are you sure they didn't say Solar system?

You should be careful about assuming people can detect sarcasm when your actual statement are about how much you doubt basic physics.

Yes, I'm sure they did not say "solar system"

Basic physics is not the issue... Advanced pseudo physics is...
So is the drivel that they try to tell us... that most people accept just because... NASA....

“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. ”

― Nikola Tesla

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