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We love God by loving His children..you don’t have to go to the 10 commandments to show people love because love comes from a pure heart (inside you) 1Timothy 1:5..The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart, a good conscience and a sincere faith...

Seek those and you will find love and demonstrate it to others...


If you love God and your fellow man, than you will keep the 10---they show you what it means to do both. Again---the 1st 4 list our duty to God and the last 6 our duty to man.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

All you twisting and turning means nothing when you see the word of God as it is written instead of through the lens of self. This has to do with worship!! And worship is determined by God not man. Cain thought to worship Gold as he pleased, Able did it as God said. In the last days that is what it all boils down to---the worship of God as He directs or the worship of what man says. Putting aside everyth9ng else---what is the main theme?

Rev_13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev_13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev_14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev_14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

From day one this has been all about whom we worship, whom we obey---Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, down to the last days---it is all about worship and obedience.
You are free to worship and obey whomsoever and in whatever manner you want---I choose to do and obey whatever God has said, and He said it in His word from the very start----obey and live---disobey and die.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It is still the same.
 
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Will you observe it in the future? Why is it mentioned in that passage?

Saint Steven said:
Do you observe the New Moon festival?


You are obviously not reading---I already said the new moon festival is not a part of the 10 commandments. We will be keeping it on the new earth. But on this earth it was associated with blood sacrifice---

Eze_46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.

We do nothing that involves a blood sacrifice now, they point to the shed blood of Jesus which is given ONCE. On the new earth it may be as a reminder of that shed blood down through eternity---along with His scars.
 
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mmksparbud said:

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Amen!

Scripture... I love it.

Do you observe the New Moon festival?

Isaiah 66 refers to the New Earth (as it states) and so at that time not only does "all mankind" have the 7th day Sabbath event of Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3... but they also have the new-creation event of Rev 21:1-5 , so at that time all mankind has two creation events and so all mankind comes before God to worship "From Sabbath to Sabbath" (the 7 day cycle God gave at creation) and ALSO "from new moon to new moon" --
 
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Your response here...

No one said that they were justified by the law did they? If no one has said we are justified by the law then what is your argument here?

Absolutely all those scriptures posted to you are about love to God and our neighbor but my question was not what are these scriptures about but what do they mean. That is how is love expressed?

Here it may help if we post the scriptures and answer my own questions through the scriptures...

LOVE is EXPRESSED through God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) as JESUS says;

MATTHEW 22:36-40 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW. [9], FOR THIS, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly SUMMED UP in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

and again;

JAMES 2:8-12 [8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF [Sums up our duty of love in the 10 Commandments Romans 13:9] , you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW, AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE IS GUILTY OF ALL. [11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, SAID ALSO, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY, YET YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

OBEDIENCE to God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) is the fruit of faith and it is through faith dear that works by a new heart to LOVE that RIGHTEOUSNESS and LOVE is expressed to God and our fellow man.

PSALMS 119:172 [172] My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS.

ROMANS 3:31, Do we then make void the law through faith? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

and is why JESUS says;

MATTHEW 22:36-40 [36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. [38], This is the first and great commandment. [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself. [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

and why JOHN says;

2 JOHN 1:6 AND THIS IS LOVE THAT WE WALK AFTER HIS COMMANDMENTS. This is the commandment, That, as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

and again here;

1 JOHN 5:2-3 [2], BY THIS WE KNOW THAT WE LOVE THE CHILDREN OF GOD, WHEN WE LOVE GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS [3], FOR THE IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: and his commandments are not grievous.

and is why it is written;

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND DOES NOT KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.

1 JOHN 3:6 WHOSOEVER ABIDES IN HIM SINS NOT: WHOSOEVER SINS HAS NOT SEEN HIM OR KNOWS HIM

1 JOHN 3:9 [9], WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD DOES NOT COMMIT SIN; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 JOHN 5:18 [18] We know that WHOSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD SINS NOT; but he that is begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches him not.

ROMANS 2:12-13 [12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13], FOR NOT THE HEARERS OF THE LAW ARE JUST BEFORE GOD BUT THE DOERS OF THE LAW SHALL BE JUSTIFIED.

and why JESUS says;

Amen!

JOHN 14:15 [15] IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS

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Now if LOVE is the very expression of OBEDIENCE to God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10 and God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are the very definition of what RIGHTEOUSNESS is *PSALMS 119:172, and to break any one of God's 10 commandments is SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. How can you LOVE GOD and your NEIGHBOR as yourself, if we have no LOVE and break God's Commandments which ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS HANG *MATTHEW 22:36-40?

Unless we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE from the INSIDE OUT we are only like dead mans bones and all we can do without JESUS is SIN *1 JOHN 3:4.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents,
* We will not kill them
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse
* We will not steal from them
* We will not lie to them
* We will not covet what they own.

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods
* We will not make idols and worship them
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain
* We will remember his Sabbath and keep it holy.

Because JESUS says...ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS *Matthew 22:35-40.

Can you see dear friend that Love is expressed by faith through obedience to God's law (10 commandments) it is not separate from Gods' law but is how love is expressed in a new heart that has been freed from sin through God's forgiveness to love and follow him who has called us in love to love another. We do not keep God's law to be saved but because we are saved and love JESUS *John 14:15; John 15:10.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

Amen!
 
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... to say there was no law before Zion is totally ridiculous!!!
Well, that's exactly what the Apostle Paul said. Was the law given at Zion?

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given...
 
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You are obviously not reading---I already said the new moon festival is not a part of the 10 commandments. We will be keeping it on the new earth. But on this earth it was associated with blood sacrifice---

Eze_46:6 And in the day of the new moon it shall be a young bullock without blemish, and six lambs, and a ram: they shall be without blemish.

We do nothing that involves a blood sacrifice now, they point to the shed blood of Jesus which is given ONCE. On the new earth it may be as a reminder of that shed blood down through eternity---along with His scars.
I think they are only a measure of time. Sabbath to Sabbath means week to week and New Moon to New Moon means month to month.
 
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Again and again and again---It was instituted at Creation and anyone who joined the Israelites was to keep the Sabbath---Which is what the Israelites were supposed to be doing----Giving the word of God to the whole world. You've been told this and shown this with countless verses all which you refuse to acknowledge and try to alter to your way of thinking to avoid the obvious=-=----murder, stealing, adultery, covetousness, taking His name in vain---break one you break them all and if you can not enter into heaven by unrepentant sins---why do you signal out one of those 10 to decide it does not apply to you because it is inconvenient? We are not making any claims---we are quoting scripture and doing as Jesus Himself did and all the disciples even long after the resurrection. Give one verse that states we are to keep any other day than the 7th day as a holy, sanctified by God day to worship Him. Not one single person in this world has done so---even the Catholics says so!!

“Prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Catholic Church alone. The Catholic Church says, by my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church” (Thomas Enright, CSSR, President, Redemptorist College [Roman Catholic], Kansas City, MO, Feb. 18, 1884).
This is such an amazing quote from the Catholic church. Follow the church who had no evidence from scripture to change God's Holy day or follow God. It's an easy choice for me. Not sure why its so hard for so many. Follow the narrow path- it leads to Salvation!


Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. "The Day of the Lord" (dies Dominica) was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become 7th Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy.
—Sentinel, Pastor's page, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995
 
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Well, that's exactly what the Apostle Paul said. Was the law given at Zion?

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given...


That is when it was given in writing. Before that, until writing after the flood, it was all oral. If you investigate the Jewish history of writing, it was orl, then it was pictographs, and then writing.
 
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I think they are only a measure of time. Sabbath to Sabbath means week to week and New Moon to New Moon means month to month.


That may be what you want it to mean. God says what He means and means what He says. Go your way at your own peril.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. earth pass,
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Heaven and earth have not passed. All has not been fulfilled. Teaching others to break the commandments, puts anyone in jeopardy of being blotted out of the book of life.
 
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I prefer what the bible says...

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

How do we love God and our fellow man dear friend? Do you love God by taking his name in vain or do we love our neighbor by stealing from them?

What do you think these scriptures mean *Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; John 14:15; John 15:10?

Something to pray about.
Not under old covenant commandments (10)
 
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Why do you just stop there? Did you not know that most of the NT is quotes from the OT? Do you not know that most of what Jesus is saying is quoting and enlarging mostly from the OT.
Do you not understand that the law is divided into 2 sections and always has been and every Jew knows this from childhood----the 1st 4 commandments are our duty to God, and last 6 is our duty to man. This is what love God and love our fellow man is all about!
Commandments were given through covenant...you have old and New covenant...understanding both covenants gives you understanding why are commandments appeared in both (NT)...

under old covenant given in Sinai brings wrath and death Not life...Read Romans 7
 
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Again and again and again---It was instituted at Creation and anyone who joined the Israelites was to keep the Sabbath---Which is what the Israelites were supposed to be doing----Giving the word of God to the whole world. You've been told this and shown this with countless verses all which you refuse to acknowledge and try to alter to your way of thinking to avoid the obvious=-=----murder, stealing, adultery, covetousness, taking His name in vain---break one you break them all and if you can not enter into heaven by unrepentant sins---why do you signal out one of those 10 to decide it does not apply to you because it is inconvenient? We are not making any claims---we are quoting scripture and doing as Jesus Himself did and all the disciples even long after the resurrection. Give one verse that states we are to keep any other day than the 7th day as a holy, sanctified by God day to worship Him. Not one single person in this world has done so---even the Catholics says so!!

“Prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the Catholic Church alone. The Catholic Church says, by my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church” (Thomas Enright, CSSR, President, Redemptorist College [Roman Catholic], Kansas City, MO, Feb. 18, 1884).
Hello, why don’t you prove from scriptures that the church have to keep the 7th day Sabbath? Any scriptures? Making sure the “7th day sabbath is mentioned in that verse if you find it”...
 
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If you love God and your fellow man, than you will keep the 10---they show you what it means to do both. Again---the 1st 4 list our duty to God and the last 6 our duty to man.

1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

All you twisting and turning means nothing when you see the word of God as it is written instead of through the lens of self. This has to do with worship!! And worship is determined by God not man. Cain thought to worship Gold as he pleased, Able did it as God said. In the last days that is what it all boils down to---the worship of God as He directs or the worship of what man says. Putting aside everyth9ng else---what is the main theme?

Rev_13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev_13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Rev_14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev_14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev_14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

From day one this has been all about whom we worship, whom we obey---Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel, down to the last days---it is all about worship and obedience.
You are free to worship and obey whomsoever and in whatever manner you want---I choose to do and obey whatever God has said, and He said it in His word from the very start----obey and live---disobey and die.

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

It is still the same.
No way you can keep the old covenant commandments...the bible states the law is spiritual BUt we are Unspiritual sold as slave to Sin...
The law is from God BUT You a Slave to Sin. Sin is your master...Unless you have given Gods Grace which is a gift..
 
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I prefer what the bible says...

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

How do we love God and our fellow man dear friend? Do you love God by taking his name in vain or do we love our neighbor by stealing from them?

What do you think these scriptures mean *Matthew 22:36-40; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Romans 3:31; John 14:15; John 15:10?

Something to pray about.
Again, never mentioned the 10 commandments (old covenant) BUT commandments of love one another..This is straight forward stuffs. Love one another is doing good to others not evil...
 
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Again, never mentioned the 10 commandments (old covenant) BUT commandments of love one another..This is straight forward stuffs. Love one another is doing good to others not evil...
Well that is not true. It seems you did not read the scriptures did you.
 
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No way you can keep the old covenant commandments...the bible states the law is spiritual BUt we are Unspiritual sold as slave to Sin...
The law is from God BUT You a Slave to Sin. Sin is your master...Unless you have given Gods Grace which is a gift..
What is no way? You do the scriptures in the post you are quoting from are new covenant scriptures right and they are God's Word not mine that you are saying no way to right? What is salvation and what does it means to be born again or what is the new covenant? *Hebrews 8:10-12; John 8:31-36; Ezekiel 36:25-27; 1 John 3:6-9?
 
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Not under old covenant commandments (10)
As shown through the scriptures everyone already everyone of God's 10 commandments are in the new covenant. What is your excuse not to believe them?
 
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Hello LGW, keep reading the book of 1John then you will find the commandments...
You mean like this one...

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4], he that says I know him and does not keep his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.

Notice the context in verse 1 is that Paul is writing these things that we sin not then defines sin in 1 John 3:4 as the transgression of God's law.

Have you read 1 John as it does not seem to agree with you?
 
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