Does Jesus quote 1 Enoch?

Randy777 said:

Where did you read Enoch answered Daniels prayer?

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God heard the prayers of Daniel, and the one sent to answer Daniel is Enoch, I fully believe, from the records of Enoch, and the things this one told Daniel.
Enoch rules with the Holy Watcher angels in heaven.
That is Enoch’s own testimony.
We see this one in Daniel, who is withstood by the Prince of Persia for 21 days, but Michael, the Chief Prince, comes to help him, and together, they “bound” the principality/ruler of Persia in the heavens ( see book of Enoch, the dream visions, for how the rulers/shepherds set over the nations are the powers that are of the darkness).
Michael is the Chief of the Watchers, so states Enoch in his book.
Michael is set over Israel.

Enoch read all the tablets of heaven of all that will be from the beginning of this present creation until the beginning of the regeneration of all things in the 8th millennium.
You can read all that in the Book of Enoch.
Enoch said the Tablets in heaven were written for the angels there to read and know all that will be.
He got to read them all, and he rules with the watcher angels there, as he testifies in his book.

So in Daniel, this one who comes to answer Daniel’s prayer -was sent to answer Daniel- tells Daniel the Prince of Persia withstood him 21 days, but Michael came to help, and they bound him..
Read the original wording to get the understanding of those verses in Daniel 10.
Then the “angel/Messenger” ( angel means messenger) told Daniel what is written in the Scripture of Truth (the Tablets written in heaven), concerning Daniel’s people. Then Daniel wrote chapters 11, 12, from the things the angel/Watcher -Enoch, showed him.

Daniel 10:
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the “scripture of truth”: and there is none
[literally “one”] that holdeth
[literally “binds”] with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
So what Daniel was shown was written in heaven, and the one who showed him was Enoch, I fully believe, and Enoch said he read all the tablets when he was in heaven.

You also might check out the angel/messenger who comes out of the temple in heaven with a bowl of wrath who is dressed in the garments of righteousness given to the redeemed and translated saints. He shows John the City of God in heaven, and takes John on a tour. John falls down to worship him twice, and he tells John twice, not to do that, and that he is of John’s brethren, the prophets, and to worship Jesus.

yeshuasavedme said:

God heard the prayers of Daniel, and the one sent to answer Daniel is Enoch, I fully believe, from the records of Enoch, and the things this one told Daniel.
Enoch rules with the Holy Watcher angels in heaven.
That is Enoch’s own testimony.
We see this one in Daniel, who is withstood by the Prince of Persia for 21 days, but Michael, the Chief Prince, comes to help him, and together, they “bound” the principality/ruler of Persia in the heavens ( see book of Enoch, the dream visions, for how the rulers/shepherds set over the nations are the powers that are of the darkness).
Michael is the Chief of the Watchers, so states Enoch in his book.
Michael is set over Israel.

Enoch read all the tablets of heaven of all that will be from the beginning of this present creation until the beginning of the regeneration of all things in the 8th millennium.
You can read all that in the Book of Enoch.
Enoch said the Tablets in heaven were written for the angels there to read and know all that will be.
He got to read them all, and he rules with the watcher angels there, as he testifies in his book.

So in Daniel, this one who comes to answer Daniel’s prayer -was sent to answer Daniel- tells Daniel the Prince of Persia withstood him 21 days, but Michael came to help, and they bound him..
Read the original wording to get the understanding of those verses in Daniel 10.
Then the “angel/Messenger” ( angel means messenger) told Daniel what is written in the Scripture of Truth (the Tablets written in heaven), concerning Daniel’s people. Then Daniel wrote chapters 11, 12, from the things the angel/Watcher -Enoch, showed him.

Daniel 10:
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.

21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the “scripture of truth”: and there is none
[literally “one”] that holdeth
[literally “binds”] with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
So what Daniel was shown was written in heaven, and the one who showed him was Enoch, I fully believe, and Enoch said he read all the tablets when he was in heaven.

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You are going outside the canon to suggest Enoch in Daniel 10 was the messenger sent to Daniel by God in response to his prayer. In reading Daniel 10 in regard to the description of such messenger and that He and Michael stood against the prince of Persia my reasoning would be the messenger was a Angel of the Lord not Enoch. More than likely the other Angel named in Daniel. "Gabriel"

Daniel 8:15
And I heard a man’s voice from the Ulai calling, “Gabriel, tell this man the meaning of the vision.”
Daniel 9:21-23
while I was still in prayer, Gabriel, the man I had seen in the earlier vision, came to me in swift flight about the time of the evening sacrifice. 22 He instructed me and said to me, “Daniel, I have now come to give you insight and understanding. 23 As soon as you began to pray, a word went out, which I have come to tell you, for you are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the word and understand the vision:

God is the source of Daniel 12. God=>His Angel=>Daniel

Jesus quoted Daniel about the end
"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand--

Therefore its reasonable to assume the scriptures Jesus spoke of about the resurrection was Daniel 12

Randy777 said:

You are going outside the canon...

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Whose canon?
Canon is a man made list which is an invention of men who play the politics of power to rule over those they can control..canon changes and has changed over the years since Jesus came in flesh, and there is not universal agreement in the Christian churches about what men may "believe" is approved by Him..
The Holy Spirit does not change His mind nor has He ever given men lists....otherwise, there would be universal agreement in all the Christian Churches. And He certainly did not wait until the third century after Jesus came in flesh to decide a "canon/list" for His Church.
And Enoch was believed to be holy Scripture by the early Church made of many Born again Jews. The Ethiopian Jews who came into the Gospel in the 1st century never came under Rome and they never tossed out their copies of Enoch, believing it to be Scripture -as in sacred writing.

yeshuasavedme said:

Whose canon?
Canon is a man made list which is an invention of men who play the politics of power to rule over those they can control..canon changes and has changed over the years since Jesus came in flesh, and there is not universal agreement in the Christian churches about what men may "believe" is approved by Him..
The Holy Spirit does not change His mind nor has He ever given men lists....otherwise, there would be universal agreement in all the Christian Churches. And He certainly did not wait until the third century after Jesus came in flesh to decide a "canon/list" for His Church.
And Enoch was believed to be holy Scripture by the early Church made of many Born again Jews. The Ethiopian Jews who came into the Gospel in the 1st century never came under Rome and they never tossed out their copies of Enoch, believing it to be Scripture -as in sacred writing.

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Not in my bible. I reason Gabriel was the messenger to Daniel and Jesus referred to the book of Daniel in regard to end times scriptures which includes the resurrection. You haven't convinced me Jesus was quoting Enoch. You are free to believe that. Lets move on.

Randy777 said:

Not in my bible. I reason Gabriel was the messenger to Daniel and Jesus referred to the book of Daniel in regard to end times scriptures which includes the resurrection. You haven't convinced me Jesus was quoting Enoch. You are free to believe that. Lets move on.

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Bible means book. That is the exact meaning.
Scripture means writing. That is the exact meaning.
Holy writings considered sacred by Believers included the book of 1 Enoch from before the flood. Not until Rome in the 3rd century was Enoch discarded, but not all Christians were under Rome, and the writings of the early Church provide plenty of proofs that believers considered the writings of Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, to be sacred, holy, Writing. So do I. I have never been under Rome.
Even Job had read it and believed in the resurrection of his own flesh and that with his own eyes he would see his Redeemer stand on the earth in the "last Day".


Job 19:25-27
For I know that my redeemer liveth,
and that he will stand at the latter day upon the earth

And after my skin is destroyed, this I know,
That in my flesh I shall see God,

Whom I shall see for myself,
And my eyes shall behold, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

David knew it and wrote of his person/soul being “raptured” from Sheol.
Psalm 49:15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave,
For He shall receive/rapture me. Selah

yeshuasavedme said:

Bible means book. That is the exact meaning.
Scripture means writing. That is the exact meaning.
Holy writings considered sacred by Believers included the book of 1 Enoch from before the flood. Not until Rome in the 3rd century was Enoch discarded, but not all Christians were under Rome, and the writings of the early Church provide plenty of proofs that believers considered the writings of Enoch the prophet, the seventh from Adam, to be sacred, holy, Writing. So do I. I have never been under Rome.
Even Job had read it and believed in the resurrection of his own flesh and that with his own eyes he would see his Redeemer stand on the earth in the "last Day".
David knew it, and he testified that YHWH would rapture his own body from the grave

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While clearly the book in your eyes is authoritative that was not the case of the early church or it would be in our bibles. So while some my have held some importance in what that book stated there wasn't enough consensus that it was the inspired word of God.

I gave you two examples from what is in our bibles of two cases the messenger sent by God to Daniel was identified as Gabriel. In the one case the messenger was not identified you believe it was Enoch. In that case the messenger appears described to me as a angel of the Lord. One who took their stand against the prince of Persia. Which I reasonable assume that angel is also Gabriel. Or at the very least another angel not Enoch.

Jesus quoted Daniel by name in the NT accounting in regard to end times. Therefore since Daniel 12 does speak of the resurrections of the righteous and unrighteous that book to me is what Jesus had in mind when He informed the Sadducees, who did not believe in any resurrection, that they did not know the scriptures or the power of God. That those resurrected would be like the angels of God who neither marry or are given in marriage

So again I don't share your view that Jesus quoted Enoch. Lets move on.

Randy777 said:

... You haven't convinced me Jesus was quoting Enoch...

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So for those who would like to read and study it for themselves, the rapture and the last days great tribulation is written in the Book of Enoch the prophet, the 7th from Adam (as Jude, the womb brother of Jesus, names him).

Enoch 50: And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,
And the light of days shall abide upon them,
And glory and honour shall turn to the holy,
2On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.

And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:
And He will cause the others to witness this
That they may repent
And forgo the works of their hands.

3They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,
Yet through His name shall they be saved,
And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,
For His compassion is great.
Summa Scriptura: For many believers an undiscovered treasure trove of blessing!

4And He is righteous also in His judgement,
And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself:
At His judgement the unrepentant shall perish before Him.
5And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.

yeshuasavedme said:

So for those who would like to read and study it for themselves, the rapture and the last days great tribulation is written in the Book of Enoch the prophet, the 7th from Adam (as Jude, the womb brother of Jesus, names him).

Enoch 50: And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,
And the light of days shall abide upon them,
And glory and honour shall turn to the holy,
2On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.

And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:
And He will cause the others to witness this
That they may repent
And forgo the works of their hands.

3They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,
Yet through His name shall they be saved,
And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,
For His compassion is great.
Summa Scriptura: For many believers an undiscovered treasure trove of blessing!

4And He is righteous also in His judgement,
And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself:
At His judgement the unrepentant shall perish before Him.
5And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.

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Not in my bible.
I'm through with this.
We will agree to disagree.

Randy777 said:

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...Which I reasonable assume that angel is also Gabriel. Or at the very least another angel not Enoch.

Daniel 12 does speak of the resurrections of the righteous and unrighteous that book to me is what Jesus had in mind when He informed the Sadducees, who did not believe in any resurrection, that they did not know the scriptures or the power of God. That those resurrected would be like the angels of God who neither marry or are given in marriage

So again I don't share your view that Jesus quoted Enoch. Lets move on.

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You do not have to believe me, but you are fully assuming, and your assumptions do not agree with what is written.
The angel/messenger who came to Daniel showed Daniel what was written/inscribed/noted in the “Scripture/Writing/Book of Truth”. Daniel 11 and 12 are written by Daniel from what he was shown by that one from heaven, and from the Scripture of Truth written there.

Also, for your benefit, the one Daniel saw who told him these things had the “likeness of Adam” -an Adam person.

Daniel 10:18 the one who appeared to Daniel and showed him all the things concerning Daniel’s people in the last days had the appearance of an Adam person.
BLB Bible, strong’s concordance gives the original wording.
Again
Touched (Daniel)
Appearance
אָדָם Adam.

So for benefit of any others who really want to know where to look to study for themselves these things:
Enoch reigns in heaven with the Holy Watcher angels.
Enoch is a companion of the seven holy Watchers who stand before the throne as described by Enoch and named in other OT prophets -which are removed from the KJV version, but not from orthodox Bibles.
Enoch is translated in body, and wears the Garment Made for glory and lives forever, in heaven.
Enoch ( I fully believe) is the angel/messenger seen in Revelation ruling, throwing a bowl of wrath upon the earth in the great tribulation, and showing John the City of God, and the last things. John falls to worship him twice, and he declares that he is of his brethren, a fellow prophet, with the testimony of Jesus, and to worship Jesus.

yeshuasavedme said:

You do not have to believe me, but you are fully assuming, and your assumptions do not agree with what is written.
The angel/messenger who came to Daniel showed Daniel what was written/inscribed/noted in the “Scripture/Writing/Book of Truth”. Daniel 11 and 12 are written by Daniel from what he was shown by that one from heaven, and from the Scripture of Truth written there.

Also, for your benefit, the one Daniel saw who told him these things had the “likeness of Adam” -an Adam person.

Daniel 10:18 the one who appeared to Daniel and showed him all the things concerning Daniel’s people in the last days had the appearance of an Adam person.
BLB Bible, strong’s concordance gives the original wording.
Again
Touched (Daniel)
Appearance
אָדָם Adam.

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For you consideration.
The one sitting on the throne of God had the figure of a man.
"Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

Randy777 said:

For you consideration.
The one sitting on the throne of God had the figure of a man.
"Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness

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I sure posted totally about that in a prior post, but now, are you trying to make what you believe is Gabriel to be God the Word?
We already see that one is dressed in the robe of righteousness, which is what the saints wear.
Look at the garments of the 7 angels/messengers in Rev 15, who are judging the earth with bowls of wrath. I believe all 7 of them are glorified saints -it is after the rapture, for they are wearing the garments of redeemed and glorified saints; and also, look at the Garments Jesus is returning in, in Revelation 19.
So I believe the one who showed Daniel and John the things to come is Enoch, by his own testimonies in the Book of Enoch.
He read all the tablets written in heaven and knew all things that would come in the present creation before the regeneration of all things, and he was given the garment of glory that will not fade away nor die, and he was granted to dwell in the City with the watchers, and he reigns with them

yeshuasavedme said:

I sure posted totally about that in a prior post, but now, are you trying to make what you believe is Gabriel to be God the Word?
We already see that one is dressed in the robe of righteousness, which is what the saints wear.
Look at the garments of the 7 angels/messengers in Rev 15, who are judging the earth with bowls of wrath. I believe all 7 of them are glorified saints -it is after the rapture, for they are wearing the garments of redeemed and glorified saints; and also, look at the Garments Jesus is returning in, in Revelation 19.
So I believe the one who showed Daniel and John the things to come is Enoch, by his own testimonies in the Book of Enoch.
He read all the tablets written in heaven and knew all things that would come in the present creation before the regeneration of all things, and he was given the garment of glory that will not fade away nor die, and he was granted to dwell in the City with the watchers, and he reigns with them

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Not at all I believe I used the word angel. You introduced the description in your quest to show it was Enoch. As I showed a figure of a man doesn't make A case the angel Gabriel is Enoch .
I going to end the discussion because you are going all over the place with this.
I think the 7 are as stated "Angels"

Randy777 said:

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I think the 7 are as stated "Angels"

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The word angel means messenger.
God calls human beings angels, as well as the heavenly spirits who have different classes and appearances.
In Revelation 15 and after, we see the 7 angels come out of the temple in heaven dressed in garments that the glorified saints wear.
One of those angels/messengers (the word means messengers) tells John that he is John's brethren and a fellow prophet.
That one is a human being, a fellow prophet to John, and yet, he poured one of the bowls of wrath out upon the earth.
That one knows what is to come, and shows John.
I believe that one is Enoch, who is reigning with the holy Watcher angels.
Enoch's own testimony written in his book tells us he is translated in body and is reigning with the Watcher angels.
He also read the holy Scriptures written in heaven, which are called the Scripture of Truth, in Daniel chapter 10.

yeshuasavedme said:

The word angel means messenger.
God calls human beings angels, as well as the heavenly spirits who have different classes and appearances.
In Revelation 15 and after, we see the 7 angels come out of the temple in heaven dressed in garments that the glorified saints wear.
One of those angels/messengers (the word means messengers) tells John that he is John's brethren and a fellow prophet.
That one is a human being, a fellow prophet to John, and yet, he poured one of the bowls of wrath out upon the earth.
That one knows what is to come, and shows John.
I believe that one is Enoch, who is reigning with the holy Watcher angels.
Enoch's own testimony written in his book tells us he is translated in body and is reigning with the Watcher angels.
He also read the holy Scriptures written in heaven, which are called the Scripture of Truth, in Daniel chapter 10.

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Yes messenger. The messenger sent to Daniel was a angel. Twice that messenger was identified as Gabriel. In the section where the messenger wasn't named you claim Enoch.
It is 7 angels not 6 angels and Enoch. They ALL are fellow servants of God and brothers in the testimony of Jesus. As the Angel stated the Spirit of prophecy testifies about Jesus. NOT Enoch.
You would do better to work for the honor of Jesus. Not the honor of Enoch.

Thought you were bowing out, Randy 777.
I think you are in error on this board to judge me as you just did.
Not nice at all.

yeshuasavedme said:

So for benefit of any others who really want to know where to look to study for themselves these things:
Enoch reigns in heaven with the Holy Watcher angels.
Enoch is a companion of the seven holy Watchers who stand before the throne as described by Enoch and named in other OT prophets -which are removed from the KJV version, but not from orthodox Bibles.
Enoch is translated in body, and wears the Garment Made for glory and lives forever, in heaven.
Enoch ( I fully believe) is the angel/messenger seen in Revelation ruling, throwing a bowl of wrath upon the earth in the great tribulation, and showing John the City of God, and the last things. John falls to worship him twice, and he declares that he is of his brethren, a fellow prophet, with the testimony of Jesus, and to worship Jesus.

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Are you referring to Rev 19:10? Interesting.

Paul4JC said:

Are you referring to Rev 19:10? Interesting.

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Yes, and also Revelation 22: 8,9.
The other 6 angels are also clothed in the fine linen, clean/pure and bright, which linen is the “righteous acts of the saints”.
Revelation 6: Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:

“Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
7 Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8 Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

9 Then the angel said to me, “Write this: Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”

10 At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus.”

The fine linen is not said to be what the Watcher angels wear when they appear, for the fine linen totally is what the saints wear after they are translated to the glory.
The rapture has come, in those chapters of Revelation, but Enoch already said in his book that he got the garments and was translated to the immortal body and is ruling in heaven with the watchers.
So we get to rule with the angels in heaven who rule as Holy Watchers, after we are raptured and judged worthy to rule....but Enoch was the first, and he has been there a long time.

Randy777 said:

Yes messenger. The messenger sent to Daniel was a angel. Twice that messenger was identified as Gabriel....

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Randy777 you fail to check out what is written, making many assumptions...
Gabriel, a Holy Watcher, one of the 7 chief Watchers identified by Enoch, comes to Daniel “flying swiftly”, in the first year of Darius Daniel 9.
In Daniel 8, it is the third year of the reign of Belshazzar.
In Daniel chapter 10, in the third year of Cyrus, the angel/messenger who comes to answer Daniel’s prayer is not Gabriel. There is a timeline in the Word and the histories make it either 17 years after Gabriel comes to Daniel, or 20. I checked the histories of those rulers and at least 17 years passed...
In Daniel 10, the one who came to Daniel is dressed in the Linen, and his waist was girded with gold of Uphaz.
Linen is the garment of righteousness given to the saints -raptured and glorified, to wear.
Revelation 19:8