Is Sabbath a shadow?

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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, NOT man for the Sabbath. But what do you say?


Same thing---and He instituted it at creation---obviously you believe something else than what Jesus said.
 
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Did Cain murder his brother before, or after, the Ten Commandments were given? (before)
Was he breaking the Ten Commandments? (No) It is sin to murder. (yes) You don't have to be under the law that God gave to the Israelites alone to be a murderer. And those murderers who are not under the law are not breaking the Ten Commandments when they murder.

WHERE THERE IS NO LAW THERE IS NO SIN!!
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
 
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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, NOT man for the Sabbath. But what do you say?

I accept His teaching...man was made on the sixth day the Sabbath on the seventh...and for man...a day of rest unearned and prior the need of it...before the fall...what Grace...

The Sabbath made for man...

Had we not sinned we would still be keeping it...and all the other Laws as well...because we had not sinned...and thus would continue to live MADE IN HIS IMAGE...living as He did...Holy

But I also accept all the other days and everything created WAS FOR MAN...given to him by His Creator...

By faith we receive and accept...because He said so...

So when He says by faith Abraham obeyed ALL we just accept it...and not argue against in attempts to reject what was made for man...

Woman was made for man...some men reject her too...and use the SAME argument...”the OT is NOT for me”...the irony
 
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You presented one verse that you clearly do not understand. How many did I present? I can give you a dozen more if that would help.

The 3 you gave from Galatians I responded to...

2 of which were false accusations that keeping Sabbath was to gain justification... WRONG...we keep Sabbath because of what He did...and on the Sabbath the yearly one and the weekly one the irony...rested and was refreshed...rose that we might too...

The other text you cited was about being taught by the Law and then now living with it in our hearts and minds...having graduated IN HIM living as He did...loving as He loved us...thus fulfilling the Law...as He did...abiding in His Father’s love Doing His FATHER’s will and not His own

and yes feel free to present more texts...
 
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Hi Bob- how are you doing today?

What does the Bible say about how we show God love? Just like the verse you quoted above.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Jesus was summarizing the commandments of God. Not doing away with.

God Bless
If you read a bit further in 1John, you would see the commandments that John referred to.

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.
 
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is now a good time to remind you?

Leviticus 19:34
The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 12:49
The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Leviticus 24:22
There shall be one standard for you; it shall be for the stranger as well as the native, for I am the Lord your God.’”

Numbers 9:14
If an alien sojourns among you and observes the Passover to the Lord, according to the statute of the Passover and according to its ordinance, so he shall do; you shall have one statute, both for the alien and for the native of the land.’”

Numbers 15:14
If an alien sojourns with you, or one who may be among you throughout your generations, and he wishes to make an offering by fire, as a soothing aroma to the Lord, just as you do so he shall do.

Numbers 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the alien who sojourns with you, a perpetual statute throughout your generations; as you are, so shall the alien be before the Lord.

Numbers 15:16
There is to be one law and one ordinance for you and for the alien who sojourns with you.’”


Numbers 15:29
You shall have one law for him who does anything unintentionally, for him who is native among the sons of Israel and for the alien who sojourns among them.

Deuteronomy 1:16
“Then I charged your judges at that time, saying, ‘Hear the cases between your fellow countrymen, and judge righteously between a man and his fellow countryman, or the alien who is with him.

Deuteronomy 24:14
“You shall not oppress a hired servant who is poor and needy, whether he is one of your countrymen or one of your aliens who is in your land in your towns.

Leviticus 18:26
But as for you, you are to keep My statutes and My judgments and shall not do any of these abominations, neither the native, nor the alien who sojourns among you

Exodus 12:19
Seven days there shall be no leaven found in your houses; for whoever eats what is leavened, that person shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is an alien or a native of the land.

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.

Deuteronomy 5:14
but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant or your ox or your donkey or any of your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you, so that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you.

Leviticus 16:29
“This shall be a permanent statute for you: in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls and not do any work, whether the native, or the alien who sojourns among you;

Leviticus 17:8
“Then you shall say to them, ‘Any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice,

Leviticus 17:10
‘And any man from the house of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, who eats any blood, I will set My face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.

Leviticus 22:18
“Speak to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘Any man of the house of Israel or of the aliens in Israel who presents his offering, whether it is any of their votive or any of their freewill offerings, which they present to the Lord for a burnt offering—

Leviticus 17:13
So when any man from the sons of Israel, or from the aliens who sojourn among them, in hunting catches a beast or a bird which may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth.

Leviticus 24:16
Moreover, the one who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall certainly stone him. The alien as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death.

Numbers 15:26
So all the congregation of the sons of Israel will be forgiven, with the alien who sojourns among them, for it happened to all the people through error.



Even the promise ENSHRINED in this law you wish to reject...even abolish:

Ezekiel 47:21So shall ye divide this land unto you according to the tribes of Israel.

22And it shall come to pass, that ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel.

23And it shall come to pass, that in what tribe the stranger sojourneth, there shall ye give him his inheritance, saith the Lord GOD.
You quoted the following verse.

Leviticus 19:34
The stranger who resides with you...

The stranger (gentile) who resides or lives in Israel. The law given to Israel only covered the nation of Israel, by the way.
 
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You quoted the following verse.

Leviticus 19:34
The stranger who resides with you...

The stranger (gentile) who resides or lives in Israel. The law given to Israel only covered the nation of Israel, by the way.

and in turn what was Israel to do with it but be a blessing to ALL nations to teach them Him His Ways...

IS WHY we are to go into ALL nations teaching them to observe ALL He commanded us to do...not just 9/10ths

Israel when receiving the living oracles from her Husband at Sinai was already full of those NOT of Jacob...

1 Corinthians 12:13 has you as Israel or?

Are you not adopted, joined, grafted into this ekklesia already at Sinai? A citizen of Israel...

The ONE bride of the resurrected Husband...to inherit what He promised so long ago...a restoration to A Made in His Image lifestyle...with Him forever...
 
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You quoted the following verse.

Leviticus 19:34
The stranger who resides with you...

The stranger (gentile) who resides or lives in Israel. The law given to Israel only covered the nation of Israel, by the way.

Really?? And all those Egyptians that came with them? Ridiculous---adultery---only the Jews can commit adultery? Only the Jews can covet, only the Jews need to not take His named in vain? Only the Jews need to not steal? NO! It's only the 4th commandment that anyone objects to and tries to eliminate and or change to suit their lifestyles and change into some other day besides the one Jesus kept and Himself wrote with His own finger. It is only the 4th that everyone tries to forget---which is why God said Remember---it gets in the way and is inconvenient--it means changing your lifestyle and that is much too much to do for a God that died to save you. Marriage also was instituted at creation week---only for the Jew??
JUST EXACTLY FOR WHOM DO YOU THINK THAT GOD SANCTIFIED, MADE HOLY AND JESUS DECLARED IT WAS MADE FOR MAN? ONLY THE JEW?
There were no Jews at creation. There is only one "man" (which actually translates to "mankind." ) Did God create a separate mankind that nobody knows about that the Sabbath applies to? If you do not wish to be a part of the human race---OK---it doesn't apply to you. We are one in Christ and He kept the sabbath---whom are you one with? The more that people try to deny it, the more ridiculous it becomes.
 
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So you think Joseph did not understand that adulatory is a sin against God? Again---where there is no law there is no sin. Seriously? You think these people were too stupid to understand what sin is?
Sin was before the law. Your quote, "where there is no law there is no sin", is followed with the word, "nevertheless". You are ignoring, "... sin was in the world before the law was given..."

Romans 5:13-14
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come.
 
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Same thing---and He instituted it at creation---obviously you believe something else than what Jesus said.
You completely missed the point he was making. Did Jesus teach us to keep the Sabbath? (nope)

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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, NOT man for the Sabbath. But what do you say?
 
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I accept His teaching...
Try these on for size. Jesus teaching on the Sabbath was quite clear.

John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

John 9:16
Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.
 
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and yes feel free to present more texts...
Galatians 3:1-3
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?
 
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You quoted the following verse.

Leviticus 19:34
The stranger who resides with you...

The stranger (gentile) who resides or lives in Israel. The law given to Israel only covered the nation of Israel, by the way.
That's a great point. The Sabbath is only required of Israel. Yet these posters are claiming it was required of all humankind. Not true.
 
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Isaiah 66:23
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

In heaven we will be worshipping God on His Holy day. The only scripture in the entire Bible written by God is His commandments. He left us the 4th commandment and asked us to Remember (opposite of forget) Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it

God never Blessed Sunday or made it Holy or asked us to Remember it, but very clearly asked us to Remember His seventh day Sabbath. Jesus and the apostles also kept the seventh day Sabbath and the commandments of God.

We have scripture, the commandments of God, written with His own hand asking us to "Remember" and Jesus keeping the Sabbath as the example. Read Isaiah 66:23 that I quoted "all flesh" from one Sabbath to another will worship God on His chosen day (not mans) If we do not prepare for Heaven NOW by honoring God's 4th commandment that we will be keeping in heaven, do you think God is suddenly going to want people who are going against what He asked written by His own hand, meant for everyone. In the Bible when He says to keep My commandments it doesn't have the word Jew in front of it. Everyone has the opportunity to be saved if we love God with all our hearts and keep His commandments.

Revelations
22:14 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Something to pray about. God Bless
 
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God never Blessed Sunday or made it Holy or asked us to Remember it, but very clearly asked us to Remember His seventh day Sabbath. Jesus and the apostles also kept the seventh day Sabbath and the commandments of God.
We (or at least, I) am not claiming Sunday as a Holy Day. Happens to be the day I atend worship gatherings. But if I lived in a town where Wednesday was the day, that would not be a problem for me.

And "Remember" the Sabbath means to observe it, not to bring it to memory, as you claim. The KJV uses the archaic meaning, you are trying to apply a modern meaning. Two different things.
 
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We (or at least, I) am not claiming Sunday as a Holy Day. Happens to be the day I atend worship gatherings. But if I lived in a town where Wednesday was the day, that would not be a problem for me.

And "Remember" the Sabbath means to observe it, not to bring it to memory, as you claim.

So why are you observing Sunday when God asked us to observe Saturday? If God had asked us to worship Him on Wednesday I would as well, but He asked for Saturday. Why would you want to go against what God asked or what Jesus kept as our example?

Here's the dictionary definition of remember:

re·mem·ber
(rĭ-mĕm′bər)
v. re·mem·bered, re·mem·ber·ing, re·mem·bers
v.tr.
1.
a.
To recall to the mind with effort; think of again (why- because this is how we know God- making effort and connecting to Him on the day He requested- His Holy Sabbath day of rest)
b. To have (something) arise in one's memory; become aware of (something) suddenly or spontaneously:
2. To retain in the memory: (sounds important)
3. To keep (someone) in mind as worthy of consideration or recognition. Would you not consider God worthy of consideration to Remember His Holy day?

God used the word Remember intentionally- its the opposite of what most are doing today (forgetting)

God Bless
 
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LGW used the American Standard Version for Gal 3:24, but here is how he "translated" the verse: "The law therefore is our schoolmaster (teacher) to lead us to Christ that we my be forgiven through faith" The verse in the ASV translation reads: 24 So that the law is become our tutor [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. There are no translations that say "the law is our schoolmaster"
Could it possibly be that LGW has tried to deceive us when he used the ASV bible that says:
23 But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 So that the law is become our tutor [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now faith that is come, we are no longer under a tutor. And LGW then, from that faulty translation, re-translates it to mean something entirely different than what Paul was trying to teach each of us?

See the "is become" in verse 24. Then skip down to verse 25 and read "we are no longer under a tutor" Is become and no longer contradicts each other. The translation is a poor one and if you read most all other translations you will see that the writers referring to the tutor with "WAS". Was our tutor. Who was "we"? It certainly was not the gentiles because they didn't have the Law. Paul wrote previously in the chapter that the Galatians accepted Christ by word. Why would LGW use that one of two versions that uses "is" instead of "was" and then re- translate the verse further? The only reason I come up with is that he wants us to believe we are still under the tutor laws. Look at some of the other translations.

KJ21
Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
AMPC
So that the Law served [to us Jews] as our trainer [our guardian, our guide to Christ, to lead us] until Christ [came], that we might be justified (declared righteous, put in right standing with God) by and through faith.
BRG
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
CSB
The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
CEB
so that the Law became our custodian until Christ so that we might be made righteous by faith.
CJB
Accordingly, the Torah functioned as a custodian until the Messiah came, so that we might be declared righteous on the ground of trusting and being faithful.
CEV
In fact, the Law was our teacher. It was supposed to teach us until we had faith and were acceptable to God.
DARBY
So that the law has been our tutor up to Christ, that we might be justified on the principle of faith.
DLNT
So then the Law has been our tutor leading-to Christ, in order that we might be declared-righteous by faith.
DRA
Wherefore the law was our pedagogue in Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
ERV
I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.
EHV
So the law was our chaperone until Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.
ESV
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
ESVUK
So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith.
EXB
In other words, the law was our ·guardian [child-minder; tutor; C an attendant slave who watched over a child in a wealthy Greco-Roman household] ·leading us to [or until] Christ so that we could be ·made right with God [declared righteous; justified] through faith.
GNV
Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be made righteous by faith.
GW
Before Christ came, Moses’ laws served as our guardian. Christ came so that we could receive God’s approval by faith.
GNT
And so the Law was in charge of us until Christ came, in order that we might then be put right with God through faith.
HCSB
The law, then, was our guardian until Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
ICB
So the law was our master until Christ came. After Christ came, we could be made right with God through faith.
ISV
And so the Law was our guardian until the Messiah came, so that we might be justified by faith.

The fact is that Paul wrote that we are no longer under the ten commandments nor the remainder 603 laws of the old covenant laws. Of course LGW by using the one of two translations and then re- translates the verse proves his motives.

LGW are you actually composing your posts or are you copy and pasting from some other source? If the later you should give reference and critique the writer before pasting.

Why would anyone sit at your feet and trust anything you teach when you deliberately re-translated what scripture is saying?

Now Bob, if you do not know why I have posted something is it not easier to ask.

The Greek word used here does not say "WAS" it is G1096 γέγονεν which means "HAS BECOME" which in the Greek is "perfect indicative active" (present tense).

More specifically....

Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - G1096
γίνομαι; ginomai A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (" gen" -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

PARALLEL TRANSLATIONS

Berean Study Bible
So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Berean Literal Bible
so that the Law has become our trainer unto Christ, so that we might be justified by faith.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

NET Bible
Thus the law had become our guardian until Christ, so that we could be declared righteous by faith.

New Heart English Bible
So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

New American Standard 1977
Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith.

American Standard Version
So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Darby Bible Translation
So that the law has been our tutor up to Christ, that we might be justified on the principle of faith.

English Revised Version
So that the law hath been our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Weymouth New Testament
So that the Law has acted the part of a tutor-slave to lead us to Christ, in order that through faith we may be declared to be free from guilt.

World English Bible
So that the law has become our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Young's Literal Translation
so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous

..............

The scripture continues...

[24], Therefore the Law has become our tutor/schoolmaster/guardian to lead us to Christ, that we may be justified by faith. [25], But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor/schoolmaster/guardian.

Note the scriptures are not saying that God's law is abolished like some teach. It is saying that the purpose (perfect indicative active) of the law is to bring us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and the whole idea of the law is every time we sin in our lives it is to bring us to Christ as to be "Under the law" according to Romans 3:19 we stand guilty before God of sin. When faith has come and the law leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith we are not longer guilty before God "Under the law" but forgiven through faith *Romans 8:1-4 and YES Bob I write my own posts and do my own prayerful study of God's Word seeking God to be my guide and teacher and claiming his promises because I am no one without him only a voice crying in the wilderness to make straight the paths of the Lord. As Paul says elsewhere in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yes, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

Probably best to ask next time Bob.

Hope this helps.
 
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So why are you observing Sunday when God asked us to observe Saturday? If God had asked us to worship Him on Wednesday I would as well, but He asked for Saturday. Why would you want to go against what God asked or what Jesus kept as our example?

Here's the dictionary definition of remember:

re·mem·ber
(rĭ-mĕm′bər)
v. re·mem·bered, re·mem·ber·ing, re·mem·bers
v.tr.
1.
a.
To recall to the mind with effort; think of again (why- because this is how we know God- making effort to keep the day He requested)
b. To have (something) arise in one's memory; become aware of (something) suddenly or spontaneously:
2. To retain in the memory: (sounds important)
3. To keep (someone) in mind as worthy of consideration or recognition. Would you not consider God worthy of consideration to Remember His Holy day?

God used the word Remember intentionally- its the opposite of what most are doing today (forgetting)

God Bless
Hello, sorry but when did God ask us (church) to observe Saturday as sabbath, can you quote a NT verse...because you use old covenant sabbath commandment given to the children of Israel in Sinai only..
 
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