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I don’t honestly see what the issue is here. Civil unions are a government matter, not a religious one. The government of a secular nation needs to provide protections and accommodations for all of its people. An Italian homosexual who is not religious is not bound by the religious code of any particular faith. Why would anyone expect a non Christian homosexual to abide by Christian theology?
 
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I don’t honestly see what the issue is here. Civil unions are a government matter, not a religious one. The government of a secular nation needs to provide protections and accommodations for all of its people. An Italian homosexual who is not religious is not bound by the religious code of any particular faith. Why would anyone expect a non Christian homosexual to abide by Christian theology?

Everyone is going to be judged by God, by standards of 'christian theology'.
 
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It's not irrelevant and I am not talking about responsibility but reception.

The reception those tax collectors and prostitutes had with religious people is relative to Christians in regards to homosexuals now.

The Pope isn't approving of Gay marriage inside the walls of the church. It's simple separation of Church and State. Gay people deciding to get married is their legal right why should we restrict them based on our beliefs that they don't share? Keeping to God's word isn't to be confused with shoving it down others throats.
I was referring to the picture being relevant and marriage is between a man and a woman. If they want to do it with the same sex why can't they call it a partnership, or a duality or something? Marriage is. Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman- I do not care what anyone says. It began as a gift from God in a church that binds a man woman and God in a Holy Covenant. Anything that originates in a church is in the church. If they want the benefits of being joined then they should go to the state and it should be called something else, but not a marriage. Personally to me, if you are doing it for health insurance, tax breaks, life insurance policies, citizenship, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons and it doesn't belong in a church. The Bible doesn't say a marriage is between a man, a woman, God and the Governor. So separation of church and state- Church gets Holy Matrimony and State gets gay binding or whatever. To call what gays are doing a " Marriage" is wrong because God opposes Sodomy, sorry if that is offensive but it is 100% true and we all know this! It would not be in the Bible if He did not. If you follow the Word of God, you might not like it but should at least respect it and honor it. It should be done only at a Justice of the Peace but be kept out of the church.
 
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I was referring to the picture being relevant and marriage is between a man and a woman. If they want to do it with the same sex why can't they call it a partnership, or a duality or something? Marriage is. Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman- I do not care what anyone says. It began as a gift from God in a church that binds a man woman and God in a Holy Covenant. Anything that originates in a church is in the church. If they want the benefits of being joined then they should go to the state and it should be called something else, but not a marriage. Personally to me, if you are doing it for health insurance, tax breaks, life insurance policies, citizenship, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons and it doesn't belong in a church. The Bible doesn't say a marriage is between a man, a woman, God and the Governor. So separation of church and state- Church gets Holy Matrimony and State gets gay binding or whatever. To call what gays are doing a " Marriage" is wrong because God opposes Sodomy, sorry if that is offensive but it is 100% true and we all know this! It would not be in the Bible if He did not. If you follow the Word of God, you might not like it but should at least respect it and honor it. It should be done only at a Justice of the Peace but be kept out of the church.

Semantics only! Dismissed.
 
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I was referring to the picture being relevant and marriage is between a man and a woman. If they want to do it with the same sex why can't they call it a partnership, or a duality or something? Marriage is. Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman- I do not care what anyone says. It began as a gift from God in a church that binds a man woman and God in a Holy Covenant. Anything that originates in a church is in the church. If they want the benefits of being joined then they should go to the state and it should be called something else, but not a marriage. Personally to me, if you are doing it for health insurance, tax breaks, life insurance policies, citizenship, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons and it doesn't belong in a church. The Bible doesn't say a marriage is between a man, a woman, God and the Governor. So separation of church and state- Church gets Holy Matrimony and State gets gay binding or whatever. To call what gays are doing a " Marriage" is wrong because God opposes Sodomy, sorry if that is offensive but it is 100% true and we all know this! It would not be in the Bible if He did not. If you follow the Word of God, you might not like it but should at least respect it and honor it. It should be done only at a Justice of the Peace but be kept out of the church.

I do agree they should call it something else.
 
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Why ? Even in religious based marriage ceremonies, you still have to get the license from the state . Without that you aren’t legally married. Marriage in western countries is still a civil contract whether you want to admit that or not
 
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Perhaps it's a time to return to biblical standards, like give clear and concise biblical answers, in a gentle and respectful way. Someone asks about homosexuality- 'here's what the bible says'. The truth might offend, but if there is no conviction then how can there be repentance? :)
Agree completely. However, be aware that there may be a price to pay. Christians in the UK have been arrested for even displaying a Bible page on a computer monitor. A Catholic man has been sued to the point of bankruptcy for saying that he did not want homosexuals teaching his kids. The man who sued him is not a teacher, just a gay activist. All (there were several) cases were thrown out of court, but the legal fees to defend such actions are massive.

Satan is using anti discrimination laws to stifle the Church and to promote Antichrist religions. Christians need to pray against such laws so that they are not misused.
 
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The anti discrimination laws are designed to prevent parents from abusing gay teachers by getting them fired . Just to use your example . In secular societies, religious leaders can’t impose their religious beliefs on people who don’t share them . It’s called bullying
 
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The anti discrimination laws are designed to prevent parents from abusing gay teachers by getting them fired . Just to use your example . In secular societies, religious leaders can’t impose their religious beliefs on people who don’t share them . It’s called bullying
For a Christian to be forced to allow his children to be bombarded by gay propaganda is not bullying? For a Christian to be arrested for quoting the Bible on the subject of homosexuality is not bullying? Satan controls the world system. Satan is intent on silencing the church so that he can keep his captives under his evil spell. Christians are commanded to preach the gospel. That includes conviction of sin. God only saves sinners.
 
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I’m Christian, I don’t care about a gay person teaching my children. People are different and that’s just a way to teach that. . That gay person’s relationships outside of the school were truly none of that man’s business . Whether you understand that or not , he was harassing that gay teacher . Sorry I don’t feel much sympathy for people who harass others for minding their own business
 
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Everyone is going to be judged by God, by standards of 'christian theology'.
I’m not sure how your response relates to my post in any way. God will judge. Non Christians should not be forced to act like Christians. No problem.
 
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I’m Christian, I don’t care about a gay person teaching my children. People are different and that’s just a way to teach that. . That gay person’s relationships outside of the school were truly none of that man’s business . Whether you understand that or not , he was harassing that gay teacher . Sorry I don’t feel much sympathy for people who harass others for minding their own business
There was no harassment of anyone. It was a simple statement of personal preference. The person who took offence is not a teacher. It is simply misusing the law to silence anyone who dares to voice concerns about the influence of the homosexual lobby in schools. I won't disgrace the forum by going into detail about what is being taught in some schools. Suffice to say that I would have pulled my kids as soon as I found out.
 
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I don’t honestly see what the issue is here. Civil unions are a government matter, not a religious one. The government of a secular nation needs to provide protections and accommodations for all of its people. An Italian homosexual who is not religious is not bound by the religious code of any particular faith. Why would anyone expect a non Christian homosexual to abide by Christian theology?
I agree, as long as it is not called marriage. But the homosexual lobby wants truth to be rewritten so as to justify their immoral behaviour. They also want to silence those who declare God's word on the issue. One influential woman in Australia stated that the Bible is hate speech. It backfired on her and she lost her job.

Do we rewrite the laws to permit thieving, murder, perjury or fraud? Those (and other) evils disqualify people from the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is the ultimate aim of the gospel and the church. Wickedness may be excused by the wicked but not by God. A day of reckoning will come. We have a duty to warn people of the coming judgement and how to escape.
 
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For a Christian to be forced to allow his children to be bombarded by gay propaganda is not bullying? For a Christian to be arrested for quoting the Bible on the subject of homosexuality is not bullying? Satan controls the world system. Satan is intent on silencing the church so that he can keep his captives under his evil spell. Christians are commanded to preach the gospel. That includes conviction of sin. God only saves sinners.

Absolutely! That is why what this Pope has said is so very weird. It's like he's cheering for the opposition! Better to stand with God and offend the world than stand with the world and offend God. God Bless :)
 
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I agree, as long as it is not called marriage. But the homosexual lobby wants truth to be rewritten so as to justify their immoral behaviour. They also want to silence those who declare God's word on the issue. One influential woman in Australia stated that the Bible is hate speech. It backfired on her and she lost her job.

Do we rewrite the laws to permit thieving, murder, perjury or fraud? Those (and other) evils disqualify people from the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is the ultimate aim of the gospel and the church. Wickedness may be excused by the wicked but not by God. A day of reckoning will come. We have a duty to warn people of the coming judgement and how to escape.
From personal experience, the gay people I know just want to live their lives and have constitutional rights and protections. It is the Christian side of things that creates an adversarial relationship. They aren’t out to destroy Christianity. They just want to live their lives. Unfortunately it is us Christians trying to make things hard for them. The Bible has some hateful things to say about them, such as they should be killed for their relationships in the Old Testament. If I was told that I should be stoned to death for my romantic relationship I would be upset too.
 
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Keep reading: "God judges those outside..." (v. 13). How are those outside judged? By the natural law, as Paul explains:

When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus. (Romans 2)​

The point is: It's not the Church's mission to judge those outside the Church. You're only providing more proof of that.
 
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From personal experience, the gay people I know just want to live their lives and have constitutional rights and protections. It is the Christian side of things that creates an adversarial relationship. They aren’t out to destroy Christianity. They just want to live their lives. Unfortunately it is us Christians trying to make things hard for them. The Bible has some hateful things to say about them, such as they should be killed for their relationships in the Old Testament. If I was told that I should be stoned to death for my romantic relationship I would be upset too.

Ultimately, the stated LGBTQ+ political agenda is that all elements of society celebrate their sexuality, not merely co-exist with it.
 
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I was referring to the picture being relevant and marriage is between a man and a woman. If they want to do it with the same sex why can't they call it a partnership, or a duality or something? Marriage is. Holy Matrimony between a man and a woman- I do not care what anyone says. It began as a gift from God in a church that binds a man woman and God in a Holy Covenant. Anything that originates in a church is in the church. If they want the benefits of being joined then they should go to the state and it should be called something else, but not a marriage. Personally to me, if you are doing it for health insurance, tax breaks, life insurance policies, citizenship, then you are doing it for the wrong reasons and it doesn't belong in a church. The Bible doesn't say a marriage is between a man, a woman, God and the Governor. So separation of church and state- Church gets Holy Matrimony and State gets gay binding or whatever. To call what gays are doing a " Marriage" is wrong because God opposes Sodomy, sorry if that is offensive but it is 100% true and we all know this! It would not be in the Bible if He did not. If you follow the Word of God, you might not like it but should at least respect it and honor it. It should be done only at a Justice of the Peace but be kept out of the church.

The Pope never called it "marriage."
 
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The point is: It's not the Church's mission to judge those outside the Church. You're only providing more proof of that.

Is the Church allowed to encourage non-believers in sin? Even if I assume your position for the sake of argument, condoning sin is still not the opposite of judgment.
 
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