Jesus Christ Shed His Blood for Judas

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
I don't think you even understand what "accountable" means then.

If God is doing the controlling, then man CANNOT be accountable.

Don't you understand that to be accountable, means that YOU make choices.

If God is controlling, then He alone is accountable for all the sin in the world.

But I bet you never thought that far.

Dave L said:

Are you accountable if you die in infancy? The wages of sin are death....

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Yep. Just more dodging.

Infants aren't accountable. That's the point! Not until they reach the age where they know the difference between right and wrong, as Scripture says.

Isa 7-
15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.

Some call the red words "age of accountability", but as I've already seen, you have no idea what "accountability" even means.

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Why can't you just answer my questions? Why all the dodging and deflecting?

Dave L said:

You ask the wrong questions.

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Right. They're "wrong" because they expose your fallacies.

That's all.

Otherwise, they are dead on. Which is why all the dodging.

FreeGrace2 said:

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Why can't you just answer my questions? Why all the dodging and deflecting?

Right. They're "wrong" because they expose your fallacies.

That's all.

Otherwise, they are dead on. Which is why all the dodging.

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We need more to run on before giving an informed answer.

FreeGrace2 said:

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
I don't think you even understand what "accountable" means then.

If God is doing the controlling, then man CANNOT be accountable.

Don't you understand that to be accountable, means that YOU make choices.

If God is controlling, then He alone is accountable for all the sin in the world.

But I bet you never thought that far.

Yep. Just more dodging.

Infants aren't accountable. That's the point! Not until they reach the age where they know the difference between right and wrong, as Scripture says.

Isa 7-
15 He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
16 for before the boy knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right, the land of the two kings you dread will be laid waste.

Some call the red words "age of accountability", but as I've already seen, you have no idea what "accountability" even means.

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If the wages of sin are death, why do babies that never consciously sin, die?

Dave L said:

We need more to run on before giving an informed answer.

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Who's all the "we's"? Am I conversing with Legion?

Your response here again demonstrates your inability or unwillingness to answer questions.

iow, you don't have an informed answer.

Here's a factoid: truth ALWAYS has an answer. And it can't be refuted.

All you've done is dodge and deflect. That says it all.

Dave L said:

If the wages of sin are death, why do babies that never consciously sin, die?

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Define "die", please. I can't give an informed answer until I know how you mean "die".

There is physical death, and there are a whole lot of reasons why babies die physically.

There is also spiritual death, and everyone is born spiritually dead.

FreeGrace2 said:

Define "die", please. I can't give an informed answer until I know how you mean "die".

There is physical death, and there are a whole lot of reasons why babies die physically.

There is also spiritual death, and everyone is born spiritually dead.

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Just read the bible as go by what it sways.

FreeGrace2 said:

Who's all the "we's"? Am I conversing with Legion?

Your response here again demonstrates your inability or unwillingness to answer questions.

iow, you don't have an informed answer.

Here's a factoid: truth ALWAYS has an answer. And it can't be refuted.

All you've done is dodge and deflect. That says it all.

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The problem is. 3 different schools use the same scripture. I can not satisfy you unless I see it your way So arguing is a waste of time.

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Define "die", please. I can't give an informed answer until I know how you mean "die".

There is physical death, and there are a whole lot of reasons why babies die physically.

There is also spiritual death, and everyone is born spiritually dead.

Dave L said:

Just read the bible as go by what it sways.

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Unbelievable! It seems you just CAN'T answer any question. What are you afraid of?

btw, the Bible doesn't "sway". It's rock solid.

But you just want to keep playing games, huh.

Dave L said:

The problem is. 3 different schools use the same scripture. I can not satisfy you unless I see it your way So arguing is a waste of time.

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This is bunk. I have asked questions. Simple ones. This isn't about "my way", so don't hide behind false claims.

You simply won't or can't answer my questions. And they are not hard, difficult, or tricks. But you refuse (that's a choice) to answer.

And I do agree; given your predilection, it is a waste of time conversing with you, since you won't answer any questions, but only dodge and deflect and play word games.

But at least you have actually revealed your "game plan". Since you have no answers, that's all that's left to do.

FreeGrace2 said:

This is bunk. I have asked questions. Simple ones. This isn't about "my way", so don't hide behind false claims.

You simply won't or can't answer my questions. And they are not hard, difficult, or tricks. But you refuse (that's a choice) to answer.

And I do agree; given your predilection, it is a waste of time conversing with you, since you won't answer any questions, but only dodge and deflect and play word games.

But at least you have actually revealed your "game plan". Since you have no answers, that's all that's left to do.

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Calvinists see it one way. Arminians another, and Pelagians another.

FreeGrace2 said:

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
Define "die", please. I can't give an informed answer until I know how you mean "die".

There is physical death, and there are a whole lot of reasons why babies die physically.

There is also spiritual death, and everyone is born spiritually dead.

Unbelievable! It seems you just CAN'T answer any question. What are you afraid of?

btw, the Bible doesn't "sway". It's rock solid.

But you just want to keep playing games, huh.

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Doesn't the bible define death as separation from God?

I have asked questions. Simple ones. This isn't about "my way", so don't hide behind false claims.

You simply won't or can't answer my questions. And they are not hard, difficult, or tricks. But you refuse (that's a choice) to answer.

And I do agree; given your predilection, it is a waste of time conversing with you, since you won't answer any questions, but only dodge and deflect and play word games.

But at least you have actually revealed your "game plan". Since you have no answers, that's all that's left to do.

Dave L said:

Calvinists see it one way. Arminians another, and Pelagians another.

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What does that have to do with anything? I'm NOT trying to compare theologies.

I AM asking YOU questions. But you refuse to answer them, and prefer to play games.

Is that the Calvinist way?

Dave L said:

Doesn't the bible define death as separation from God?

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OK, now that I understand your definition of "die", you mean spiritual death.

So, why don't infants go to hell? Easy peasy. They aren't accountable. Either for understanding the gospel or filling their diapers with poop.

We know from Scripture that infants aren't accountable because of what David said about his 7 day old son who died.

2 Sam 12:23 - But now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me.”

David was a writer of Scripture, so he was guided and inspired by the Holy Spirit. So he wasn't guessing here, or speaking from emotions.

David KNEW that he would JOIN his son in the future. David sure knew where he was going, and he KNEW where his son went: Heaven.

The reason infants who die physically all go to heaven is because Jesus died for their inherited sin; He paid the penalty of sin. Romans 5 teaches that all humans are guilty under Adam's sin.

But when a person develops to the point of knowing right from wrong, and understands that God exists (Rom 1:19-21), they ARE accountable.

Bond-servant of Christ said:

If, I am not saying that He did, God created Judas to betray Jesus, and after he did so, to cast him into eternal punishment, then you can be 100% sure that God is FULLY Just in His actions.

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In man's view yes, but if God uses someone for His purposes you can be sure the forgiveness He always talks about will be in play. The Pharisees on the other hand better take their wiener roasting sticks with them. Like I asked, were the two kids who took money to pointy out someone who to them unknowingly would be executed, guilty of damnation?

Dave L said:

You cannot repent if Christ did not pay for your sins.

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You can repent and change your ways but there would be no resurrection were it not for the work of Jesus. He opened the door.

Dave L said:

If the wages of sin are death, why do babies that never consciously sin, die?

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Spiritual death, not physical.

timothyu said:

Spiritual death, not physical.

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Why the physical too?

timothyu said:

You can repent and change your ways but there would be no resurrection were it not for the work of Jesus. He opened the door.

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Al Capone could repent too if there was a dollar to be made.